Possibility for Second American Civil War

[Benuty]

Outside of your typical left versus right militia versus state conflict what about actual secessionists?

I don't mean your typical neo-confederates, but actually stable states wanting the hell out of the union because they don't see it as salvageable anymore.

The only state that could likely successfully do that is Texas... hell I wouldn't be surprised if their national guard has even trained for such an occasion.

I mean true, and you maybe could see something along the border states on the Canada or Mexico side. Since they might see the ideological conflict, and the current administration as unsuitable to endure.

[The Serbian Empire]

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

They might think the GOP is too liberal, but in the event of a right vs. left civil war à la the Spanish Civil War, the right in America would most likely stick together.

The odds are it's more likely a right vs. far right when someone at the ATF does a raid on a militia.

[The Serbian Empire]

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

What about the independent militias that think the Democrats are too conservative?

If they think the GOP is too liberal, they're likely to attack Democrats just as indiscriminately.

[Telconi]

What about the independent militias that think the Democrats are too conservative?

If they think the GOP is too liberal, they're likely to attack Democrats just as indiscriminately.

okay...

[The Serbian Empire]

If they think the GOP is too liberal, they're likely to attack Democrats just as indiscriminately.

okay...

I'm just saying that those groups are a powder keg that's an ATF raid gone wrong from wanting war.

[Benuty]

okay...

I'm just saying that those groups are a powder keg that's an ATF raid gone wrong from wanting war.

Honestly, it surprises me that after that debacle in Waco the U.S doesn't specifically have a group devoted entirely to raiding, and neutralizing compounds of radicals. I would trust the ATF to handle a compound raid as far as can throw them since there is evidence they made things in Waco so much worse.

[Telconi]

okay...

I'm just saying that those groups are a powder keg that's an ATF raid gone wrong from wanting war.

War with whom?

[Sovaal]

I'm just saying that those groups are a powder keg that's an ATF raid gone wrong from wanting war.

War with whom?

The feds I guess.

Although i wouldn’t call a shoot out with a few crazies a war.

[Olerand]

Outside of your typical left versus right militia versus state conflict what about actual secessionists?

I don't mean your typical neo-confederates, but actually stable states wanting the hell out of the union because they don't see it as salvageable anymore.

I can sympathize with that, and they might play a part in a civil war, but analogous to the Basques in the Spanish Civil War.

From an American perspective, I would support that. America would be better off in more coherent groupings. New England is not the Deep South, etc.

From a global perspective, I don't. This would weaken these Americas' power projection abroad, and the results could be undesirable.

[Benuty]

I can sympathize with that, and they might play a part in a civil war, but analogous to the Basques in the Spanish Civil War.

From an American perspective, I would support that. America would be better off in more coherent groupings. New England is not the Deep South, etc.

From a global perspective, I don't. This would weaken these Americas' power projection abroad, and the results could be undesirable.

Eh...a civil war is already going to do just that regardless so why not go all in, and let the dust settle quicker?

[Telconi]

War with whom?

The feds I guess.

Although i wouldn’t call a shoot out with a few crazies a war.

The point I'm making is militias are hardly limited to rednecks shouting "White powah!" at one another.

[Ifreann]

What about the independent militias that think the Democrats are too conservative?

I don't think there are too many left-wing militias.

Yes, that's what we wanted you to think.

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Standing shoulder to shoulder with Nazis to own the libs?

Sure, just like anti-fascists in Spain and WWII stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Stalin.

[Olerand]

From an American perspective, I would support that. America would be better off in more coherent groupings. New England is not the Deep South, etc.

From a global perspective, I don't. This would weaken these Americas' power projection abroad, and the results could be undesirable.

Eh...a civil war is already going to do just that regardless so why not go all in, and let the dust settle quicker?

True enough.

Though from that perspective, everything is better than a civil war. Even a quick one won by the State would alter the power dynamics substantially.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The feds I guess.

Although i wouldn’t call a shoot out with a few crazies a war.

The point I'm making is militias are hardly limited to rednecks shouting "White powah!" at one another.

True, but they are the ones who’ve trained the most
Let’s be real communist rebels in America would probably be mostly college students who’ve never held a gun

[The East Marches II]

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

They might think the GOP is too liberal, but in the event of a right vs. left civil war à la the Spanish Civil War, the right in America would most likely stick together.

Hemos pasado :^)

[Telconi]

The point I'm making is militias are hardly limited to rednecks shouting "White powah!" at one another.

True, but they are the ones who’ve trained the most
Let’s be real communist rebels in America would probably be mostly college students who’ve never held a gun

The world consists of racists and communists???

[Sovaal]

I can sympathize with that, and they might play a part in a civil war, but analogous to the Basques in the Spanish Civil War.

From an American perspective, I would support that. America would be better off in more coherent groupings. New England is not the Deep South, etc.

From a global perspective, I don't. This would weaken these Americas' power projection abroad, and the results could be undesirable.

As an American who has lived and traveled across the country, I would not. If anything the divide among Americans is more rural/urban than it is by geeographical region.

[Benuty]

The point I'm making is militias are hardly limited to rednecks shouting "White powah!" at one another.

True, but they are the ones who’ve trained the most
Let’s be real communist rebels in America would probably be mostly college students who’ve never held a gun

I would argue it would probably be a few of their teachers who never grew up from being the angry individuals they were in the 1970s. At the most, any serious communist opposition is probably going to be from some radical charismatic running around getting anyone disgruntled enough to follow him or her.

[Telconi]

I don't think there are too many left-wing militias.

Yes, that's what we wanted you to think.

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Sure, just like anti-fascists in Spain and WWII stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Stalin.

He fights for """"""""""FREEDOM""""""""""!!!

[Sovaal]

I don't think there are too many left-wing militias.

Yes, that's what we wanted you to think.

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Sure, just like anti-fascists in Spain and WWII stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Stalin.

Shit is that real?

[Internationalist Bastard]

True, but they are the ones who’ve trained the most
Let’s be real communist rebels in America would probably be mostly college students who’ve never held a gun

The world consists of racists and communists???

I’m saying the two primary groups of militias are both ultra conservative in America. Liberals in America don’t have a lot of them around here

[Benuty]

From an American perspective, I would support that. America would be better off in more coherent groupings. New England is not the Deep South, etc.

From a global perspective, I don't. This would weaken these Americas' power projection abroad, and the results could be undesirable.

As an American who has lived and traveled across the country, I would not. If anything the divide among Americans is more rural/urban than it is by geographical region.

Maybe, but if the post-civil war interim government doesn't survive the critical thirty year period afterward it will most likely see mass secessionism happen anyway.

[Olerand]

From an American perspective, I would support that. America would be better off in more coherent groupings. New England is not the Deep South, etc.

From a global perspective, I don't. This would weaken these Americas' power projection abroad, and the results could be undesirable.

As an American who has lived and traveled across the country, I would not. If anything the divide among Americans is more rural/urban than it is by geeographical region.

Well, that division simply doesn't work. And you cannot deny that there are differences. A New England Republican is no Dixie Republican, no?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yes, that's what we wanted you to think.

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Shit is that real?

It’s from ww2

[Benuty]

Yes, that's what we wanted you to think.

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Shit is that real?

Its a real life propaganda poster from back in the day so yes it is.