Possibility for Second American Civil War

[The Serbian Empire]

Thing is I don’t think it’d just be liberals
How many conservative militias in the country have literally been training to fight the government?

>implying much of the military wouldn't be on the conservative side

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

[The Parkus Empire]

It's hard to believe that you love your country when you also want to tear up its foundations, overthrow its government, and bend its people to your will.

Sometimes that's the only way forward.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYuK6IBrQY

[The Parkus Empire]

>implying much of the military wouldn't be on the conservative side

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

They might think the GOP is too liberal, but in the event of a right vs. left civil war à la the Spanish Civil War, the right in America would most likely stick together.

[Valrifell]

>implying much of the military wouldn't be on the conservative side

I think the vast majority of the military would play keeper of the peace and not get involved on either side

I find it astonishing that people actually think if Conservatives marched on Washington to take the capital and instigate a civil war, that the military wouldn't react harshly on them.

No, of course they would. Their political views are irrelevant to what they signed up to do, and it's not to defend the conservative ideology.

[Benuty]

Inevitably when the war ends I look forward to the reactionary military dictatorship established after the interim provisional republic collapses in two or three decades due to a variety of circumstances that often plague new governments. A reminder children to say your prayers to father Washington at night to keep the evil ones away in the darkness.

[Ifreann]

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

They might think the GOP is too liberal, but in the event of a right vs. left civil war à la the Spanish Civil War, the right in America would most likely stick together.

Standing shoulder to shoulder with Nazis to own the libs?

[Telconi]

>implying much of the military wouldn't be on the conservative side

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

What about the independent militias that think the Democrats are too conservative?

[Benuty]

They might think the GOP is too liberal, but in the event of a right vs. left civil war à la the Spanish Civil War, the right in America would most likely stick together.

Standing shoulder to shoulder with Nazis to own the libs?

Alliances of convenience are funny like that, but after the war, the inevitable purging won't take too long to start.

[Valrifell]

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

What about the independent militias that think the Democrats are too conservative?

I don't think there are too many left-wing militias.

[The Parkus Empire]

I think the vast majority of the military would play keeper of the peace and not get involved on either side

I find it astonishing that people actually think if Conservatives marched on Washington to take the capital and instigate a civil war, that the military wouldn't react harshly on them.

No, of course they would. Their political views are irrelevant to what they signed up to do, and it's not to defend the conservative ideology.

I mean it really doesn't matter, the Spanish Civil War had the military in rebellion against the state. Furthermore if a civil war is going to happen, it's entirely possible it will happen while Trump is President. If a civil war was not started by the executive or the army, but by partisans, it certainly wouldn't start by a march on Washington, but by liberal and conservative partisans getting into street fights, murdering, and engaging in reprisals and purges of each other.

[Valrifell]

I find it astonishing that people actually think if Conservatives marched on Washington to take the capital and instigate a civil war, that the military wouldn't react harshly on them.

No, of course they would. Their political views are irrelevant to what they signed up to do, and it's not to defend the conservative ideology.

I mean it really doesn't matter, the Spanish Civil War had the military in rebellion against the state. Furthermore if a civil war is going to happen, it's entirely possible it will happen while Trump is President. If a civil war was not started by the executive or the army, but by partisans, it certainly wouldn't start by a march on Washington, but by liberal and conservative partisans getting into street fights, murdering, and engaging in reprisals and purges of each other.

Thankfully we've not seen escalation anywhere near that scale.

[The Parkus Empire]

They might think the GOP is too liberal, but in the event of a right vs. left civil war à la the Spanish Civil War, the right in America would most likely stick together.

Standing shoulder to shoulder with Nazis to own the libs?

Sure, just like anti-fascists in Spain and WWII stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Stalin.

[Benuty]

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

What about the independent militias that think the Democrats are too conservative?

I don't jest when I ask where those might be since its not often you hear of solidly far left militias in existence given this countries tendency to want them wiped out. I mean sure if this was the 1970s, and the golden age of domestic terror in the U.S for both sides I wouldn't be doubting you since there were several cases of police actually duking it out with left-leaning groups.

[Benuty]

What about the independent militias that think the Democrats are too conservative?

I don't think there are too many left-wing militias.

Well not anymore, but go back to the 1970s, and there most certainly were.

[The Parkus Empire]

I mean it really doesn't matter, the Spanish Civil War had the military in rebellion against the state. Furthermore if a civil war is going to happen, it's entirely possible it will happen while Trump is President. If a civil war was not started by the executive or the army, but by partisans, it certainly wouldn't start by a march on Washington, but by liberal and conservative partisans getting into street fights, murdering, and engaging in reprisals and purges of each other.

Thankfully we've not seen escalation anywhere near that scale.

No. But if there were going to be a civil war, we would see that precede it. Presuming the military would have homogeneous loyalty after a prolonged period of that is ridiculous, you think an officer whose daughter was raped and murdered by liberal or conservative partisans, is going to stick by the state if it sides with those partisans?

[Benuty]

Outside of your typical left versus right militia versus state conflict what about actual secessionists?

I don't mean your typical neo-confederates, but actually stable states wanting the hell out of the union because they don't see it as salvageable anymore.

[Valrifell]

I don't think there are too many left-wing militias.

Well not anymore, but go back to the 1970s, and there most certainly were.

Are we talking about those weird communes and hippy cults or gun-toting Marxists somewhere in the country?

[Valrifell]

Outside of your typical left versus right militia versus state conflict what about actual secessionists?

I don't mean your typical neo-confederates, but actually stable states wanting the hell out of the union because they don't see it as salvageable anymore.

It would have to take an economic crash for that to happen, though, since all regions benefit heavily from free interstate trade so no state would be stable.

[Olerand]

Well, no one wants that (except for a few), but more of one side is willing to endure that than the other.


30% of 46% of 55%? If so, that is indeed a tiny number that no one need concern themselves with.

But, no, it is 30% or so of individuals polled in a representative survey. That is 30% of 100%. That is one third of your country, willing to refuse your electoral results.
Though, yet again, 70% of Americans always assert in those surveys that they are sure to vote in the elections, while the turnout is, as we all know, much much lower.

But it is. Can you give me another example of a candidate in your modern liberal democracy who has refused to concede? Even Jean-Marie Le Pen was willing to concede in 2002, though yet again, he knew he could never win.

So, according to those polls again, quite a few on the American far-right were already questioning the results of the election. Before it was even finished. Though, suddenly, there was no question of the results once their candidate had won.

Seems like an attitude that is very detrimental to liberal democracy.

Roy Moore refused to concede even though the state of Alabama ruled he lost to Doug Jones. Trump endorsed the stubborn Moore and is about as obsessed with power as Roy Moore is.

Well, that's post-Trump, that's not what I meant, I should have been clearer I apologize. Before who is now president of the United States refused to concede the election if he were to lose, who else refused?

>implying much of the military wouldn't be on the conservative side

There's conservative, then there's the far right independent militias who even think the GOP is too liberal.

It is amazing that there are factions who think the GOP is too liberal. Politics in America are a swamp indeed, with all the swamp monsters that that creates...

[The Parkus Empire]

Outside of your typical left versus right militia versus state conflict what about actual secessionists?

I don't mean your typical neo-confederates, but actually stable states wanting the hell out of the union because they don't see it as salvageable anymore.

I can sympathize with that, and they might play a part in a civil war, but analogous to the Basques in the Spanish Civil War.

[Benuty]

Well not anymore, but go back to the 1970s, and there most certainly were.

Are we talking about those weird communes and hippy cults or gun-toting Marxists somewhere in the country?

Well, it was more of a mixture of incredibly disgruntled hippies who bought into any cause and sought to actually go all in. Hell, there was one case of a group actually shooting it out with the police when their base got caught. I honestly cannot remember their name, but if you believed in a cause no matter what ideological alignment there most likely was a group for it back then.

[Telconi]

What about the independent militias that think the Democrats are too conservative?

I don't think there are too many left-wing militias.

conservatism and left wing aren't opposites...

[Benuty]

Outside of your typical left versus right militia versus state conflict what about actual secessionists?

I don't mean your typical neo-confederates, but actually stable states wanting the hell out of the union because they don't see it as salvageable anymore.

It would have to take an economic crash for that to happen, though, since all regions benefit heavily from free interstate trade so no state would be stable.

Eh...in the case of a civil war that depends honestly since if your state is stable enough to institute rationing, and economic control its probably more "stable" than a state with multiple claimant governments.

[Benuty]

Outside of your typical left versus right militia versus state conflict what about actual secessionists?

I don't mean your typical neo-confederates, but actually stable states wanting the hell out of the union because they don't see it as salvageable anymore.

I can sympathize with that, and they might play a part in a civil war, but analogous to the Basques in the Spanish Civil War.

I would argue they might play more of a role in that since we would be talking about whole states here rather than just regions of them.

[The Lone Alliance]

Outside of your typical left versus right militia versus state conflict what about actual secessionists?

I don't mean your typical neo-confederates, but actually stable states wanting the hell out of the union because they don't see it as salvageable anymore.

The only state that could likely successfully do that is Texas... hell I wouldn't be surprised if their national guard has even trained for such an occasion.