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Chernoslavia
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:11 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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They do have a strong twinge of self-hatred.


lolwut

Liberals aren't leftist, friendo.


Correct! But today's democrats who call themselves liberals certainly are leftists.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:12 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Trust me dude leftists do not like liberals


They do have a strong twinge of self-hatred.

Nope. Liberals ain’t leftists. They are opportunistic people
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Postby Based Groyper » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:12 pm

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wow mind blown


Well, maybe don't insinuate Liberals are Leftist, and there'll be less mind-blowing. :^)


I'm sure there will.
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Postby Based Groyper » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
They do have a strong twinge of self-hatred.

Nope. Liberals ain’t leftists. They are opportunistic people


No, they are.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:13 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
lolwut

Liberals aren't leftist, friendo.


Correct! But today's democrats who call themselves liberals certainly are leftists.

No they aren’t. The democrats are still very much not leftists, Sanders is the closest it to that
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Postby Based Groyper » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:13 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Correct! But today's democrats who call themselves liberals certainly are leftists.

No they aren’t. The democrats are still very much not leftists, Sanders is the closest it to that


The President trained by Bill Ayers and the Secretary of State trained by Alinsky just aren't leftists because we don't have enough bread-queues or something.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:13 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Nope. Liberals ain’t leftists. They are opportunistic people


No, they are.


Mate, Liberals aren't Leftists. It's that simple.

Chernoslavia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
lolwut

Liberals aren't leftist, friendo.


Correct! But today's democrats who call themselves liberals certainly are leftists.


Eww, man, c'mon; the Democrats most certainly aren't Leftists. Nancy Pelosi's the prime example, being a full-stop Neoliberal Centrist.
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Postby Based Groyper » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:15 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
No, they are.


Mate, Liberals aren't Leftists. It's that simple.


You see this is the kind of uncritical leftist mindset I was talking about on show. Its not actually "simple"
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:15 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Nope. Liberals ain’t leftists. They are opportunistic people


No, they are.

We can do this “no you” all day.

Either way liberals aren’t leftists. I’m a leftist, I do not like liberals. I think the vast majority are fake
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Correct! But today's democrats who call themselves liberals certainly are leftists.

No they aren’t. The democrats are still very much not leftists, Sanders is the closest it to that


And you base this assertion on what exactly? Because last I checked people who call themselves liberals identify as left leaning and support leftist ideals, maybe not far-left or communist ideals exactly, but leftist ideals anyhow.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:16 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Mate, Liberals aren't Leftists. It's that simple.


You see this is the kind of uncritical leftist mindset I was talking about on show. Its not actually "simple"


Lol, it literally is. Just because you refuse to properly engage facts doesn't change facts.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:16 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No they aren’t. The democrats are still very much not leftists, Sanders is the closest it to that


The President trained by Bill Ayers and the Secretary of State trained by Alinsky just aren't leftists because we don't have enough bread-queues or something.

Ayers isn’t a democrat nor was Obama trained by Ayers. Alinsky is very much a liberal
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Postby Based Groyper » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:17 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
No, they are.

We can do this “no you” all day.



You are Torocca are the only ones blindly repeating this slogan "LIBRUHLS ARE'NT LEFTISTS" as your only mode of debate.
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Postby Based Groyper » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
You see this is the kind of uncritical leftist mindset I was talking about on show. Its not actually "simple"


Lol, it literally is. Just because you refuse to properly engage facts doesn't change facts.


No, you need to learn about ideology, hegemony and critique. The people you've been taught to think of as da libruhlz are Left-Wing. America is a communist country.
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Postby Olerand » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:18 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
lolwut

Liberals aren't leftist, friendo.


Correct! But today's democrats who call themselves liberals certainly are leftists.

No, they're not. Liberalism is of the center, center-left at times, center-right mostly.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:18 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:We can do this “no you” all day.



You are Torocca are the only ones blindly repeating this slogan "LIBRUHLS ARE'NT LEFTISTS" as your only mode of debate.


Because it's a basic fact that Liberals aren't Leftists, which you'd know if you'd ever bothered to read a modicum of Leftist political theory or actually listened to Leftists (like us).
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:18 pm

Olerand wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Correct! But today's democrats who call themselves liberals certainly are leftists.

No, they're not. Liberalism is of the center, center-left at times, center-right mostly.


Bullshit
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Based Groyper » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
The President trained by Bill Ayers and the Secretary of State trained by Alinsky just aren't leftists because we don't have enough bread-queues or something.

Ayers isn’t a democrat nor was Obama trained by Ayers. Alinsky is very much a liberal


Obama was a protégé of Bill Ayers, revolutionary communist devoted to the destruction of White America, i.e: A Leftist.

Alinsky was a supporter of racial communism, a dogmatic egalitarian, an opponent of stratification and other progressive policies; in what way wasn't he a "Leftist".
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Postby Olerand » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:20 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Olerand wrote:No, they're not. Liberalism is of the center, center-left at times, center-right mostly.


Bullshit

I'm fairly certain that it is in this very thread, in perhaps replies to you even, that I have discussed this in length before.

You are welcome to revisit those posts if you actually seek an answer. Otherwise, I can't be bothered.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:20 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Liriena wrote:Truly spoken as someone who's never read po-mo literature.


Once more, uncritical refusal to engage in debate, just hiding behind appeals to received opinion.

You haven't presented anything that could form the basis of a serious debate.
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Postby Based Groyper » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:21 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
You are Torocca are the only ones blindly repeating this slogan "LIBRUHLS ARE'NT LEFTISTS" as your only mode of debate.


Because it's a basic fact that Liberals aren't Leftists, which you'd know if you'd ever bothered to read a modicum of Leftist political theory or actually listened to Leftists (like us).


Again your just blindly repeating these "basic" and "simple" truths you've been taught without examining them. I know Leftist political theory most likely better than both of you which is how I know the people you call 'Librujls' are Leftists or the terms cease to mean anything meaningful.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:22 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Truly spoken as someone who's never read po-mo literature.


When someone paints Trump's face with their menstruation in protest and passes it off as ''art'', there's not much to read.

A random individual's creative decisions do not invalidate the decades upon decades of academic work done by hundreds of people.

If we operated under such logic, I could dismiss all right-wing thought ever on the basis of some Reddit dipshit's posting history.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:22 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No they aren’t. The democrats are still very much not leftists, Sanders is the closest it to that


And you base this assertion on what exactly? Because last I checked people who call themselves liberals identify as left leaning and support leftist ideals, maybe not far-left or communist ideals exactly, but leftist ideals anyhow.

Leftist means far left. Liberals are not far left. Liberals do not support leftist ideals at all, not one liberal is calling for a Workers revolution or anything like that.

Liberals just want free shit
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:22 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Because it's a basic fact that Liberals aren't Leftists, which you'd know if you'd ever bothered to read a modicum of Leftist political theory or actually listened to Leftists (like us).


Again your just blindly repeating these "basic" and "simple" truths you've been taught without examining them. I know Leftist political theory most likely better than both of you which is how I know the people you call 'Librujls' are Leftists or the terms cease to mean anything meaningful.

Prove it.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:24 pm

Olerand wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Bullshit

I'm fairly certain that it is in this very thread, in perhaps replies to you even, that I have discussed this in length before.

You are welcome to revisit those posts if you actually seek an answer. Otherwise, I can't be bothered.


No you're just not familiar with the political spectrum of the US. You think all republicans are far-right ffs.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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