Possibility for Second American Civil War

[Liriena]

If the best counter-argument you can manage is a lazy "no u"... well... that's just sad.

I wasn't aware I was giving you a counter argument.
I thought I was just stating the obvious because you forgot to mention it and I knew someone was going to bring it up eventually.

I could have done like Illegal Planets and just reposted your post with the terms changed but seemed like over kill.

And unless you seriously believe that Trump is going to implement a Nazi Regime and that he has enough support in order to do so then the "No U" couldn't apply... really I don't think anyone in this thread has reached the point of being part of the "Psychotic" camp of either side simply because if so they wouldn't be able to even talk to the other side because they'd see that side as the "Ultimate Enemy"TM.

I think most of the people on this site are generally not in either camp, they may lean towards one or the other but the "True believers" don't seem to last very long... thankfully for the site, I know a lot of the topics here never go anywhere but back and forth bickering but could you imagine what this place would look like if it was overrun with both sides constantly shouting at one another?

NSG has a virtue which places like Reddit do not: there's not a lot of room for creating isolated circle-jerks where the slightest dissent gets you purged. Small chance of this environment radicalizing a bunch of younglings.

[The Lone Alliance]

NSG has a virtue which places like Reddit do not: there's not a lot of room for creating isolated circle-jerks where the slightest dissent gets you purged. Small chance of this environment radicalizing a bunch of younglings.

Yes, why I dislike Reddit, it's also why whenever I see someone trying to call for Nationstates to be a safe space I object, cause it always leads to turning whatever space there is into a circlejerk.

[Benuty]

I can live with this Lincoln

... yeah, I can see where you'd rather give up on democracy than cater to other people's needs and wants.

With millions dead, the country in ruins, and the fate of the union at stake for the next several decades I doubt interim democracy will last at all.

[Olerand]

Why can't you put French political parties on the South Korean spectrum? South Korea being more right-wing than us, particularly on societal issues, but even on social and economic issues, it would actually be a fascinating study in comparative politics.

You aren't comparing, you are purposely mislabeling the American Republican party as far-right. Obviously, our definitions of "far-right" differ, but when you start with that line about not normalizing "far-right" behavior, particularly Romney, it comes off as nonsense because:

It doesn't matter what he would be in France because we aren't France. Not using America's metrics when discussing America's politics makes your statements inherently worthless.

I don't know if you are doing this on purpose to annoy people, out of ignorance, or if it really is some strange, misguided refusal to use American metrics to describe American politics. It really is very simple, but for whatever reason you have made it a point to be difficult and objectively wrong. I wash my hands of the whole thing, though.

And I will say this again, because you keep bringing up the same point again and again. Even though I have fully answered it at least twice.

I will not refer to the Republican Party as anything other than far-right because it is far-right. Not just in France, but as I have already proven, in Canada, Norway, Germany, Austria, New Zealand, Portugal, Italy, and so on and so on.

When something is far-right I will call it far-right. I am under no obligation to normalize what is far-right everywhere else in the developed world simply because in America, the far-right is “center-right”.
And I won’t.

And I didn’t call Romney far-right, but hard right, and then further addressed the point.

[Olerand]

Ah, I see. And the child screaming at their parent is a reference?

An apt analogy really

Of the fact that France still allows corporal punishment?

[The Parkus Empire]

An apt analogy really

Of the fact that France still allows corporal punishment?

Better than jail

[Kollin]

A second civil war is just something LARPing far right cunts fantasize about when their smooth brains can't tolerate the existence of people who don't buy into their delusional circle-jerk.

But just in case one of those losers ever tries to spark that civil war, I suggest American left-wingers give the Second Amendment some love.

Ignoring that the far-left frequently call for things like a death to the republic, and anybody who is to the right of them on scale. Also ignoring that said people are far more prone to open demonstrations involving violence than the far-right you're so afraid of.

I suggest you actually get a clue, and suggest the same to anybody in this thread who thinks a civil war will actually happen, as none of you clearly have any idea how this works. This is not the 1860s, the difference between the federal military and your plucky band of rebels is not that you used your gun for hunting until now. The difference is that you maybe have a semi-automatic rifle designed to be a civilian version of a military use weapon. Which you can't even make full-auto unless you have the proper machining equipment and skills anyway.

Even if you could, the government has tanks. Planes, helicopters, etc.

Also ignoring that any 'civil war' which might happen at this point would be less of a civil war and more of a bunch of far leftists trying to organize a violent revolution. I say leftists, because the far rightists generally seem to understand that a violent takeover is literally not possible, because the US Military just so happens to exist, and the only people i've seen seriously suggest such a thing aside from clueless 15 year old edgelords, are far-lefitsts and especially ANTIFA.

Fun fact: such a thing would fail instantly, not only because the only way the people in black masks storm the palace is if the army lets them (which they won't), or because the army will not suffer any sort of disintegration in which significant parts defect to the 'revolution', but also because the majority of Americans are about as excited at the prospect of a far-left takeover as they are a far-right takeover.

Your civil war has gone from civil war to revolution started by far-leftists because the right aside from edgy teenagers seems to understand this tactic is doomed to fail, and the bulk of said revolutionaries are mostly LARPing college student, infact almost entirely LARPing college students, since the working class would really prefer if they just shut the hell up and let them get to work, and now ontop of the government you will have said armed Americans also opposing you, which is again, most of the population. As in, almost all of it.

Bad as the alt-right is, they don't typically have LARPing delusions of violently the government. That's pretty much a far-leftist, communist, ANTIFA thing.

[Dahon]

That would be due to the government being in Trump's pussygrabbing hands. If those hands were Hillary's -- hell, when those hands were her husband's or Obama's -- there would be talk of assassination, there would be talk of insurrection.

So you see, LARPing is a favored pastime by all sides, whether they be teenage edgelords, former military men with way too much time on their hands, budding mass shooters, Starbucks revolutionaries, politicians seeking to stroke their base, or even the God-Emperor of your godforsaken republic back when he was a candidate and everything went Hillary's way.

[Thermodolia]

Ever thus to actors.

Come to think of it after all the purges there is going to be a lot of room for new acting material. I just don't see Hollywood not being a bombed-out ruin, and Broadway might just survive somewhat intact.

Most of Hollywood has moved to Atlanta anyway

[Isilanka]

In case of a civil war I assume the "loyalist" side would be heavily supported by the rest of the world regardless of its political side, including China, because let's face it no one wants to see the US plunge into chaos, it's the entire world economy that's at stake. Plus, the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world. You would probably see a remake of D-day but on the american shores and with Chinese/European troops.

[Thermodolia]

In case of a civil war I assume the "loyalist" side would be heavily supported by the rest of the world regardless of its political side, including China, because let's face it no one wants to see the US plunge into chaos, it's the entire world economy that's at stake. Plus, the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world. You would probably see a remake of D-day but on the american shores and with Chinese/European troops.

Second biggest nuclear arsenal. Russia has the largest

[Isilanka]

In case of a civil war I assume the "loyalist" side would be heavily supported by the rest of the world regardless of its political side, including China, because let's face it no one wants to see the US plunge into chaos, it's the entire world economy that's at stake. Plus, the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world. You would probably see a remake of D-day but on the american shores and with Chinese/European troops.

Second biggest nuclear arsenal. Russia has the largest

Doesn't change anything though as long as you have enough nukes to glass the entire planet three or four times, you don't want to lose control of them.

[Minarchic States of America]

I’m a bit new to NationStates, but I believe such a possibility can happen. In fact, that’s what my nation is built on: a government coup due to people voting against themselves. An interesting example of such a thing already happening is the Free State Project. A bunch of Right-Libertarians went and got elected in New Hampshire. After that, they passed legislation allowing them to build a mini-state within the state of New Hampshire. It has no income tax, corporate tax, or sales tax. It is only supported by Property Tax. Maybe we’re not to the point of Civil War yet, but with projects like this, as well as the threat of California seceding, I think the conditions for a Second Civil War are starting to fall into place. In case you’re interested in where I got this information, you may find the link here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeStateProject/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project

Not gonna lie: I might consider moving to New Hampshire someday to take a part in this project.

[Torrocca]

I’m a bit new to NationStates, but I believe such a possibility can happen. In fact, that’s what my nation is built on: a government coup due to people voting against themselves. An interesting example of such a thing already happening is the Free State Project. A bunch of Right-Libertarians went and got elected in New Hampshire. After that, they passed legislation allowing them to build a mini-state within the state of New Hampshire. It has no income tax, corporate tax, or sales tax. It is only supported by Property Tax. Maybe we’re not to the point of Civil War yet, but with projects like this, as well as the threat of California seceding, I think the conditions for a Second Civil War are starting to fall into place. In case you’re interested in where I got this information, you may find the link here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeStateProject/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project

Not gonna lie: I might consider moving to New Hampshire someday to take a part in this project.

Boy oh boy, I can't wait to see that shit utterly and completely fail the instant the members of such a movement start to get bought out by the biggest company formed by the group. :^)

[Sareva-Hiiro]

I have an idea: Let's just nuke everything.

Can't have any problems if there's no problems to be had. >;3

Ah, a fellow Posadist comrade! o7

No.


I'm just tired of everyone's shit. Left or right.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Exactly. I don't know how Chernoslavia thought that there side would magicly not rape anyone.

You don’t know shit about me or my group.

I didn't say that you would do that, I'm just saying expecting that every single one of your group to not rape anyone is unrealistic.

Like Therm said, most people who stay and fight wouldn't care about consent during sex.

You would, but to say that most of your side won't? How do you know?

[Sareva-Hiiro]

You don’t know shit about me or my group.

I didn't say that you would do that, I'm just saying expecting that every single one of your group to not rape anyone is unrealistic.

Like Therm said, most people who stay and fight wouldn't care about consent during sex.

You would, but to say that most of your side won't? How do you know?

You have an odd perception of civil conflict.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

... yeah, I can see where you'd rather give up on democracy than cater to other people's needs and wants.

I do not like universal suffrage to begin with. Democracy is a false god unless suffrage is restricted

Topic for another thread but, no, Democracy for all is the only way.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I didn't say that you would do that, I'm just saying expecting that every single one of your group to not rape anyone is unrealistic.

Like Therm said, most people who stay and fight wouldn't care about consent during sex.

You would, but to say that most of your side won't? How do you know?

You have an odd perception of civil conflict.

Three parties fight each other over creed/union loyalty, millions die, rape and other war crimes happen from every side, to say that one side is magicly pure and angelic that they wouldn't ever rape/kill civvies/never engage in friendly fire/ ect ect beacuse 'it's too icky and we are pure and gud' is very unrealistic.

What part of this is 'odd'?

[Based Groyper]

That's the problem with the left. We make each other and the left look bad. The right will defend any of the right that does anything. We don't, and we're disunited.

Yeah, that's one of the ironic downsides of being the side of the spectrum that actually thinks critically.

The side of the spectrum which is founded on uncritically accepting certain norms of treatment as "inherent", "infallible", and "fundamental rights" and throw tantrums when people try to critique this probably isn't the one which 'thinks critically' lol.

[Based Groyper]

Yeah, the reddit userbase are going to rise up and massacre all the racist Russian bots.

You might be surprised.

ruh roh

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Yeah, that's one of the ironic downsides of being the side of the spectrum that actually thinks critically.

The side of the spectrum which is founded on uncritically accepting certain norms of treatment as "inherent", "infallible", and "fundamental rights" and throw tantrums when people try to critique this probably isn't the one which 'thinks critically' lol.

So that goes for when /r/ the donald thru a tantrum over when there 'god emperor' said a dumb thing about vida games or said that maybe gun control is good? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Based Groyper]

The side of the spectrum which is founded on uncritically accepting certain norms of treatment as "inherent", "infallible", and "fundamental rights" and throw tantrums when people try to critique this probably isn't the one which 'thinks critically' lol.

So that goes for when /r/ the donald thru a tantrum over when there 'god emperor' said a dumb thing about vida games or said that maybe gun control is good? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

See this is the mentality of someone who spends too much time on the Internet, literally nobody knows or cares about what "/r/ the donald" thinks about "there god emperor"'s remarks on "vida games".

[Canadensia]

The side of the spectrum which is founded on uncritically accepting certain norms of treatment as "inherent", "infallible", and "fundamental rights" and throw tantrums when people try to critique this probably isn't the one which 'thinks critically' lol.

So that goes for when /r/ the donald thru a tantrum over when there 'god emperor' said a dumb thing about vida games or said that maybe gun control is good? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Eh, horseshoe theory.

While it's true that the Left is generally more critical and open-minded than the Right (that's largely due to its rejection of hierarchy and tradition though, so there's always a trade-off), the further you go on either side of the political spectrum, the more dogmatic it gets.

Because let's be honest, Commies and Anarchists are just contrarians pretending to be otherwise.

[Based Groyper]

also these are an extraordinarily ignorant series of posts by Olerand claiming figures like, errr….Tony Blair, are "right-wing".