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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:48 am

Frievolk wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Border enforcement = racism?
Border Enforcement with the Color of your skin acting as the Litmus = Racism
Yes.
Shocking, I know.

What are they supposed to do, make more white people cross the border illegally?
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:48 am

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Bakery Hill wrote:Why not? I mean only the Aryan race can stop the Jewish Airline terraforming conspiracy to make the world a sphere.

Wow! Is there anything God's chosen people aren't capable of?


Well yes, specifically protect themselves from pogroms and genocide.

Seriously, I don't understand how there are so many people who think 'Jews run the world', you'd think people who run the world would be able to prevent themselves from suffering pogrom after pogrom after genocide after genocide.
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For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:49 am

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Hurdergaryp wrote:Wow! Is there anything God's chosen people aren't capable of?

If only the Master Race was as able as they were.

Calling yourself the Master Race implies a colossal inferiority complex that needs to be overwhelmed with grotesque statements at all costs.


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Postby Dahon » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:49 am

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Because it has produced me, a man full of hyperbole, bad jokes, stale quotations, abject aping of an admittedly diverse array of decent writers, and dare I say egomania.

This is the only halfway viable argument against miscegenation I've seen, well done.


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Because it has produced me, a man full of hyperbole, bad jokes, stale quotations, abject aping of an admittedly diverse array of decent writers, and dare I say egomania.

Cute, but still anecdotal fallacy.


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Postby Purgatio » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:50 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:If only the Master Race was as able as they were.

Calling yourself the Master Race implies a colossal inferiority complex that needs to be overwhelmed with grotesque statements at all costs.


Hasn't every race, at some point in history, thought of themselves as a Master Race compared to everyone else? So does not mean it is in human nature to have a colossal inferiority complex?
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:50 am

Dahon wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Cute, but still anecdotal fallacy.


I AM THE EVIDENCE !

Still anecdotal.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:53 am

Petrolheadia wrote:Once again, why is interracial marriage bad?


It ruins the skin color of the different races. The more mixed people there are, the worse off the single race groups will be.
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Postby Frievolk » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:54 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Border Enforcement with the Color of your skin acting as the Litmus = Racism
Yes.
Shocking, I know.

What are they supposed to do, make more white people cross the border illegally?

1- Not form concentration camps - sorry, I meant "Tent Cities" to hold people in them
2- Not let people in based on the color of their skin (which is, roughly, what happened following Trump's so-called Travel Ban)
There are more things they're supposed to do (one of them being stop even detaining people for coming through borders), but those would be too humanitarian to expect this administration -or, really, any administration- to do.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:55 am

Saiwania wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Once again, why is interracial marriage bad?


It ruins the skin color of the different races. The more mixed people there are, the worse off the single race groups will be.

Why does it matter?
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:55 am

Saiwania wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Once again, why is interracial marriage bad?


It ruins the skin color of the different races. The more mixed people there are, the worse off the single race groups will be.


As a single-race person, I can testify that my life is not affected at all when half-Chinese babies are born. Not even a little bit.
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Frievolk » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:57 am

Saiwania wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Once again, why is interracial marriage bad?


It ruins the skin color of the different races. The more mixed people there are, the worse off the single race groups will be.

omfg imagine thinking people being of mixed races makes single race groups worse off.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:58 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It ruins the skin color of the different races. The more mixed people there are, the worse off the single race groups will be.

Why does it matter?

we've been over this a thousand times, it's aesthetic
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:58 am

Frievolk wrote:omfg imagine thinking people being of mixed races makes single race groups worse off.


It can, if you want your lineage to remain single race but where you live is being overrun by mixed or different race people.
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:59 am

Frievolk wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It ruins the skin color of the different races. The more mixed people there are, the worse off the single race groups will be.

omfg imagine thinking people being of mixed races makes single race groups worse off.


"Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race." - Adolf Hitler

Sounds unnervingly similar to someone's line of argument in this thread.
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:00 am

Saiwania wrote:
Frievolk wrote:omfg imagine thinking people being of mixed races makes single race groups worse off.


It can, if you want your lineage to remain single race but where you live is being overrun by mixed or different race people.

you realise how irrational this is right?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:00 am

Saiwania wrote:
Frievolk wrote:omfg imagine thinking people being of mixed races makes single race groups worse off.


It can, if you want your lineage to remain single race but where you live is being overrun by mixed or different race people.

Why the hell?

It's not a car or a phone, color blemishes won't decrease resale value.
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Postby Dahon » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:00 am

Saiwania wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Once again, why is interracial marriage bad?


It ruins the skin color of the different races. The more mixed people there are, the worse off the single race groups will be.


Yes, indeed -- just this year I battled hives, a rare form of melanoma, cold sores, St John's wort, Chinese checkers, and the discovery of the interstitium. And it's not even July yet! Oh, woe is meeeeeeeee --
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:01 am

Saiwania wrote:
Frievolk wrote:omfg imagine thinking people being of mixed races makes single race groups worse off.


It can, if you want your lineage to remain single race but where you live is being overrun by mixed or different race people.


Have you ever done a 23andme ancestry test? I'm genuinely curious, literally most people on Earth are the product of at least a little race-mixing at some point in their past.
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Dahon » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:04 am

Purgatio wrote:
Frievolk wrote:omfg imagine thinking people being of mixed races makes single race groups worse off.


"Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race." - Adolf Hitler

Sounds unnervingly similar to someone's line of argument in this thread.


... you have concluded this only now?
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Postby Frievolk » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:04 am

Saiwania wrote:
Frievolk wrote:omfg imagine thinking people being of mixed races makes single race groups worse off.


It can, if you want your lineage to remain single race but where you live is being overrun by mixed or different race people.

Ok, but why would your lineage not remaining a of a single race (whatever that means) make a person worse off in a society? Do they, per chance, get discriminated on the contexts of economy? Do people treat them as second class citizens? Are they, for whatever reason, exempt from the general welfare all citizens of a country have the right to enjoy?

If the answer is yes, there is merit to what you're saying, but it also means that the society is inherently problematic and needs changes. If the answer is no, you're just delusional.
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:04 am

Dahon wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
"Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race." - Adolf Hitler

Sounds unnervingly similar to someone's line of argument in this thread.


... you have concluded this only now?


Well, no, but just thought I should really drive the point home.
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Frievolk » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:05 am

Purgatio wrote:
Frievolk wrote:omfg imagine thinking people being of mixed races makes single race groups worse off.


"Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race." - Adolf Hitler

Sounds unnervingly similar to someone's line of argument in this thread.

Despite the fact he's basically uttered the 14 words, I'm still willing to view him as a rational actor and someone who deserves the privilege of being debated with. The moment he starts muttering Hitlerite slogans is the moment I'll cease debating and stop ridiculing.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:05 am

Purgatio wrote:
Dahon wrote:... you have concluded this only now?

Well, no, but just thought I should really drive the point home.

Driving points home tends to be a necessity here in NationStates General, yes.


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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:07 am

Frievolk wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
"Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race." - Adolf Hitler

Sounds unnervingly similar to someone's line of argument in this thread.

Despite the fact he's basically uttered the 14 words, I'm still willing to view him as a rational actor and someone who deserves the privilege of being debated with. The moment he starts muttering Hitlerite slogans is the moment I'll cease debating and stop ridiculing.

why is that the line?
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Postby Purgatio » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:09 am

Frievolk wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
"Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race." - Adolf Hitler

Sounds unnervingly similar to someone's line of argument in this thread.

Despite the fact he's basically uttered the 14 words, I'm still willing to view him as a rational actor and someone who deserves the privilege of being debated with. The moment he starts muttering Hitlerite slogans is the moment I'll cease debating and stop ridiculing.


Well his entire argument thus far has been Hitlerite in everything but name. He's basically advocating for maintaining the Volksgemeinschaft 'racial community'. If that's where you draw the line, I think it's long been passed.
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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