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Postby Aclion » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:37 am

Ifreann wrote:I think I saw that. It wasn't a Maltese cross.

It was though, it's telling that a person can get a retraction from The New Yorker faster than you.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:37 am

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Petrolheadia wrote:"13 out of 88" sounds more round than "14,772727272%", and 13 is a prime number.


Just round up to 15%, because 13/88 is suspiciously close to 14/88, which is something you probably don't want to do unless you want to sound like a Nazi that's trying to hide the Nazism.

However, it is something you wanna do if you wanna see leftists with a powerful Nazis fantasy.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:38 am

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Olerand wrote:Mhm. Especially the part about the use of the metric of 88. It could mean that... Or it could not.

til that 1988 was a Nazi year, especially the 14th of every month

Is this a reference to something or?

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Proctopeo wrote:til that 1988 was a Nazi year, especially the 14th of every month


I mean, who the fuck uses 88 as a denominator in a fraction though? And with 13 specifically as the other number?

It is definitely a strange cutoff. But from there to the conclusion, there are a lot of inferences based on... nothing.
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Postby Illegal Planets » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:40 am

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Proctopeo wrote:til that 1988 was a Nazi year, especially the 14th of every month

Is this a reference to something or?

Yeah lol. Kind of relevant to the topic at hand too. Google 1488.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:50 am

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Olerand wrote:

Is this a reference to something or?

Yeah lol. Kind of relevant to the topic at hand too. Google 1488.

... I just did. This is pathetic.

The ADL's webpage on it is hilarious however.

"1488 is a combination of two popular white supremacist numeric symbols. The first symbol is 14, which is shorthand for the "14 Words" slogan: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." The second is 88, which stands for "Heil Hitler" (H being the 8th letter of the alphabet). Together, the numbers form a general endorsement of white supremacy and its beliefs. As such, they are ubiquitous within the white supremacist movement - as graffiti, in graphics and tattoos, even in screen names and e-mail addresses, such as aryanprincess1488@hate.net. Some white supremacists will even price racist merchandise, such as t-shirts or compact discs, for $14.88."

This is really funny, and pathetic.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:55 am

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Proctopeo wrote:til that 1988 was a Nazi year, especially the 14th of every month


I mean, who the fuck uses 88 as a denominator in a fraction though? And with 13 specifically as the other number?

Only a Neo-Nazi would use 88 whenever possible as a denominator.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:56 am

This is just like the nasty shadowplay scenes in every Austin Powers movie. What's actually casting them is rather innocent but the shadows are pretty damn alarming to outside observers.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:57 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Because the only possible danger of Nazis is them entering government. It's not like they might assault or kill people even when they aren't in government.

Then they're just street criminals to be arrested.

You can't arrest people you're ignoring.


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Ifreann wrote:I think I saw that. It wasn't a Maltese cross.

It was though, it's telling that a person can get a retraction from The New Yorker faster than you.

Far as I recall the Twitter thread asking about that tattoo pointed out that it didn't look like a Maltese cross.


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Torrocca wrote:
Just round up to 15%, because 13/88 is suspiciously close to 14/88, which is something you probably don't want to do unless you want to sound like a Nazi that's trying to hide the Nazism.

However, it is something you wanna do if you wanna see leftists with a powerful Nazis fantasy.

You're suggesting that the US Department of Homeland Security is inserting Nazi symbolism into their report, but they're only doing it to troll liberals?
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Postby Aclion » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
Aclion wrote:It was though, it's telling that a person can get a retraction from The New Yorker faster than you.

Far as I recall the Twitter thread asking about that tattoo pointed out that it didn't look like a Maltese cross.


https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/new-yorke ... zi-symbol/
I hope the new york post is suitably non-fascist.

Ifreann wrote:You're suggesting that the US Department of Homeland Security is inserting Nazi symbolism into their report, but they're only doing it to troll liberals?

Suppose it is a liberal protesting Trumps administration? Let's see how far the rabbit hole goes.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:07 am

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I mean, who the fuck uses 88 as a denominator in a fraction though? And with 13 specifically as the other number?

Only a Neo-Nazi would use 88 whenever possible as a denominator.

Only somebody who knows math would know that 13/88 is the ultimate version of that fraction.
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Petrolheadia wrote:Then they're just street criminals to be arrested.

You can't arrest people you're ignoring.

You can arrest them when they turn to crime.

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Petrolheadia wrote:However, it is something you wanna do if you wanna see leftists with a powerful Nazis fantasy.

You're suggesting that the US Department of Homeland Security is inserting Nazi symbolism into their report, but they're only doing it to troll liberals?

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:08 am

Aclion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Far as I recall the Twitter thread asking about that tattoo pointed out that it didn't look like a Maltese cross.


https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/new-yorke ... zi-symbol/
I hope the new york post is suitably non-fascist.

Ifreann wrote:You're suggesting that the US Department of Homeland Security is inserting Nazi symbolism into their report, but they're only doing it to troll liberals?

Suppose it is a liberal protesting Trumps administration? Let's see how far the rabbit hole goes.

If it was a liberal employed at DHS, they'd have been fired by now. Trump has very little tolerance for those opposed to him in his agencies.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:19 am

Aclion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Far as I recall the Twitter thread asking about that tattoo pointed out that it didn't look like a Maltese cross.


https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/new-yorke ... zi-symbol/
I hope the new york post is suitably non-fascist.

*shrug* I saw it on Twitter and didn't give it much thought.

Ifreann wrote:You're suggesting that the US Department of Homeland Security is inserting Nazi symbolism into their report, but they're only doing it to troll liberals?

Suppose it is a liberal protesting Trumps administration? Let's see how far the rabbit hole goes.

Maybe it's the Jewish lizard people.


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Ifreann wrote:You can't arrest people you're ignoring.

You can arrest them when they turn to crime.

Bit of a problem for all the people they'll hurt.

Ifreann wrote:You're suggesting that the US Department of Homeland Security is inserting Nazi symbolism into their report, but they're only doing it to troll liberals?

What a fool believes, he sees.

What?
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:21 am

Ifreann wrote:
Suppose it is a liberal protesting Trumps administration? Let's see how far the rabbit hole goes.

Maybe it's the Jewish lizard people.


Petrolheadia wrote:You can arrest them when they turn to crime.

Bit of a problem for all the people they'll hurt.

You can't arrest people for potential future crimes.
You can only persecute them once they've started to break the law.
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Postby Minoa » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:22 am

I think it is worth a cursory look, but I think the interpretation of the press release may be a stretch. In any case, I flunk miserably at numerology. :(
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:31 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe it's the Jewish lizard people.



Bit of a problem for all the people they'll hurt.

You can't arrest people for potential future crimes.
You can only persecute them once they've started to break the law.

But to do that you have to identify people of interest and investigate and surveil them so you can gather enough evidence to arrest them for planning to do crime, or attempting to do crime.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:32 am

Aclion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Far as I recall the Twitter thread asking about that tattoo pointed out that it didn't look like a Maltese cross.


https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/new-yorke ... zi-symbol/
I hope the new york post is suitably non-fascist.

Ifreann wrote:You're suggesting that the US Department of Homeland Security is inserting Nazi symbolism into their report, but they're only doing it to troll liberals?

Suppose it is a liberal protesting Trumps administration? Let's see how far the rabbit hole goes.

The New York Post is certainly not fascist, there are no major media platforms in America that are fascist. Though, like Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, etc. (and other News Corp. publications) the New York Post is a far-right media.
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Postby Xmara » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:49 am

Fauxia wrote:Somehow, no one noticed this four months ago, when the following press release was made by the Department of Homeland Security.

The title is: "We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again"

That’s 14 words- the same as the "14 words"- a white supremacist slogan: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

The opening is the same. The resemblance is, at best, careless. But it gets worse. If you include the part in bold, the release has 14 points- and the penultimate point mentions the number 88- a white supremacist code for Heil Hitler (88=HH). There’s no reason to include 88 in that context, as usually, you either would give a percentage or at least state it out of a round number (50, 100, etc.) Why 88?

Thoughts, NSG? Is there any possible way this is an accident?

I’ve long held that there hasn’t been evidence of the Trump administration being actually racist, or actively attempting to attract white nationalists. I now must reconsider. This cannot be an accident, and if this was some joke made by someone in the department, shame on them, and shame on all those who didn’t notice something was wrong. There’s at least a lot of explaining to do. Gross and unhelpful coming from an unpopular department.


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Okay, the title is a little weird but that’s probably a coincidence.

And 88? Seriously? It’s a statistic. You can’t round it to 50 or 100 because then it would be factually incorrect.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:You can't arrest people for potential future crimes.
You can only persecute them once they've started to break the law.

But to do that you have to identify people of interest and investigate and surveil them so you can gather enough evidence to arrest them for planning to do crime, or attempting to do crime.

Yes. Not for wearing Iron Cross tattoos that may as well be shitty Maltese crosses.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:59 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But to do that you have to identify people of interest and investigate and surveil them so you can gather enough evidence to arrest them for planning to do crime, or attempting to do crime.

Yes. Not for wearing Iron Cross tattoos that may as well be shitty Maltese crosses.

But you can't do that when you're ignoring them.

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So how is keeping the different people out "[keeping] your race protected"?

Oh it's perfectly simple. If brown people are allowed to live near white people then they might seduce white people and make brown babies. And this is genocide.

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Ifreann wrote:Oh it's perfectly simple. If brown people are allowed to live near white people then they might seduce white people and make brown babies. And this is genocide.


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Postby Olerand » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:04 pm

Xmara wrote:
Fauxia wrote:Somehow, no one noticed this four months ago, when the following press release was made by the Department of Homeland Security.

The title is: "We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again"

That’s 14 words- the same as the "14 words"- a white supremacist slogan: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

The opening is the same. The resemblance is, at best, careless. But it gets worse. If you include the part in bold, the release has 14 points- and the penultimate point mentions the number 88- a white supremacist code for Heil Hitler (88=HH). There’s no reason to include 88 in that context, as usually, you either would give a percentage or at least state it out of a round number (50, 100, etc.) Why 88?

Thoughts, NSG? Is there any possible way this is an accident?

I’ve long held that there hasn’t been evidence of the Trump administration being actually racist, or actively attempting to attract white nationalists. I now must reconsider. This cannot be an accident, and if this was some joke made by someone in the department, shame on them, and shame on all those who didn’t notice something was wrong. There’s at least a lot of explaining to do. Gross and unhelpful coming from an unpopular department.


Are you for real?

Okay, the title is a little weird but that’s probably a coincidence.

And 88? Seriously? It’s a statistic. You can’t round it to 50 or 100 because then it would be factually incorrect.

But why 88? Why not 100 or 50?

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I'm actually legitimately wondering now...
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:06 pm

Olerand wrote:
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Are you for real?

Okay, the title is a little weird but that’s probably a coincidence.

And 88? Seriously? It’s a statistic. You can’t round it to 50 or 100 because then it would be factually incorrect.

But why 88? Why not 100 or 50?

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I'm actually legitimately wondering now...


Or more seriously, why not just 15% instead of 13/88? :V
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Torrocca wrote:
Olerand wrote:But why 88? Why not 100 or 50?

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I'm actually legitimately wondering now...


Or more seriously, why not just 15% instead of 13/88? :V

What does 13 mean? I thought the number was 1488?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:10 pm

Eh i dont know, think this might be stretching it a little.
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