UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[The New California Republic]

Actually, iirc, Britain has been offered EEA membership by the EU. Problem is, the British government wants all the benefits of being in the Single Market without any of the duties, which of course isn't going to happen.

Honestly EEA would probably be worse than no deal.

It would piss of pretty much everyone

Actually, defaulting to WTO rules in the event of no deal would be far worse, the standard WTO tariffs are just horrid.

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/no-deal-the-wto-option/

[Vassenor]

Dominic Raab poses "direct and immediate threat to working people in Britain"

To whit, things Raab has proposed in the past:

-Abolish the minimum wage for workers aged under 21 working in small businesses

-Abolish the working time directive

-Scrap employment rights for agency workers’ rights and conditions

-End TUPE protection for all workers when their job is transferred to a new employer

-Ensure workers employed by small businesses don’t benefit from flexible working rights or pension auto-enrolment

[Ostroeuropa]

I actually don't mind the abolition of the minimum wage for workers until 21 in small businesses.

Small businesses is a strictly defined thing and they are already exempt from many regulations. It's not like we'll shift to a culture of exploiting teen workers, given the prevalence of corporations and so on.

Often such things are family businesses in any case, so food+board is being provided (but can't be counted due to laws demanding actual legal tender as wages, rightfully so given the history of "company credits", even if I'd personally amend this to allow lodgings as part of payment if those lodgings meet legal standards for habiltability.)

[The New California Republic]

Dominic Raab poses "direct and immediate threat to working people in Britain"

To whit, things Raab has proposed in the past:

-Abolish the minimum wage for workers aged under 21 working in small businesses

-Abolish the working time directive

-Scrap employment rights for agency workers’ rights and conditions

-End TUPE protection for all workers when their job is transferred to a new employer

-Ensure workers employed by small businesses don’t benefit from flexible working rights or pension auto-enrolment

So David Davis is replaced by a man I don't like, and Boris is replaced by a man I don't like. A good week so far. Bravo.

[Vassenor]

Dominic Raab poses "direct and immediate threat to working people in Britain"

To whit, things Raab has proposed in the past:

So David Davis is replaced by a man I don't like, and Boris is replaced by a man I don't like. A good week so far. Bravo.

And all because they don't want to have to take responsibility for driving this country off a cliff.

[Risottia]

Honestly EEA would probably be worse than no deal.

It would piss of pretty much everyone

Actually, defaulting to WTO rules in the event of no deal would be far worse, the standard WTO tariffs are just horrid.

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/no-deal-the-wto-option/

But but but muh trade with Jamaica and Pakistan! It will surely make up for trade with the EU, won't it?

Won't it?

Uhh...

[Ifreann]

Actually, defaulting to WTO rules in the event of no deal would be far worse, the standard WTO tariffs are just horrid.

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/no-deal-the-wto-option/

But but but muh trade with Jamaica and Pakistan! It will surely make up for trade with the EU, won't it?

Won't it?

Uhh...

Britain is going to swap place with New Zealand to get better trade links with Australia.

[The Blaatschapen]

But but but muh trade with Jamaica and Pakistan! It will surely make up for trade with the EU, won't it?

Won't it?

Uhh...

Britain is going to swap place with New Zealand to get better trade links with Australia.

I am not sure about the prospect of having two big islands full of sheep near me.

[Risottia]

Actually, iirc, Britain has been offered EEA membership by the EU. Problem is, the British government wants all the benefits of being in the Single Market without any of the duties, which of course isn't going to happen.

But it should. Because we're special.

No that special . The EU's already got multilingual constitutional monarchies (Belgium and Spain), English-speaking archipelago countries (Malta), overseas territories in other continents (France) and weird folks who drive on the wrong side of the road (Ireland). Ok, admittedly the UK is all that stuff rolled into a single package plus snazzy red uniforms and Doctor Who, still...

[Ifreann]

Britain is going to swap place with New Zealand to get better trade links with Australia.

I am not sure about the prospect of having two big islands full of sheep near me.

Once New Zealand gets plugged into the Chunnel I'm sure the sheep will distribute themselves across the mainland.

[Risottia]

But but but muh trade with Jamaica and Pakistan! It will surely make up for trade with the EU, won't it?

Won't it?

Uhh...

Britain is going to swap place with New Zealand to get better trade links with Australia.

Brilliantly devious plan!

[The Blaatschapen]

I am not sure about the prospect of having two big islands full of sheep near me.

Once New Zealand gets plugged into the Chunnel I'm sure the sheep will distribute themselves across the mainland.

Can we put a migration stop on the black sheep? Poland wants it.

[Ifreann]

"Meanwhile, in a distant parallel universe, Prime Minister Miliband sets out his priorities for the EU; tackling climate change, reducing inequality, and standardising biros across the continent."

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Once New Zealand gets plugged into the Chunnel I'm sure the sheep will distribute themselves across the mainland.

Can we put a migration stop on the black sheep? Poland wants it.

Sorry Poland, when Britain goes they're taking all the opt-outs with them.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

I am not sure about the prospect of having two big islands full of sheep near me.

Once New Zealand gets plugged into the Chunnel I'm sure the sheep will distribute themselves across the mainland.

So, are you planning to dig the extended Chunnel in a curved path through the Earth's crust, dig directly through the inner core, or somewhere in between? (because New Zealand is on the other side of the Earth from the UK)

[Ifreann]

Once New Zealand gets plugged into the Chunnel I'm sure the sheep will distribute themselves across the mainland.

So, are you planning to dig the extended Chunnel in a curved path through the Earth's crust, dig directly through the inner core, or somewhere in between? (because New Zealand is on the other side of the Earth from the UK)

Britain is going to swap place with New Zealand to get better trade links with Australia.

[Bakery Hill]

I actually don't mind the abolition of the minimum wage for workers until 21 in small businesses.

Small businesses is a strictly defined thing and they are already exempt from many regulations. It's not like we'll shift to a culture of exploiting teen workers, given the prevalence of corporations and so on.

Often such things are family businesses in any case, so food+board is being provided (but can't be counted due to laws demanding actual legal tender as wages, rightfully so given the history of "company credits", even if I'd personally amend this to allow lodgings as part of payment if those lodgings meet legal standards for habiltability.)

This is all weird conjecture. Most workers are employed in small businesses, 60% of British workers by current figures and these include plenty of people below the age of 21. Many perhaps even most of these people bills to bay and aren't working or living with mum and dad. Even if they are they're often obliged to contribute to the household budget. Even then, many of those who are living how you're saying want the opportunity to move out and live independently. Taking away more of their wages is a horrible idea.

[Ostroeuropa]

I actually don't mind the abolition of the minimum wage for workers until 21 in small businesses.

Small businesses is a strictly defined thing and they are already exempt from many regulations. It's not like we'll shift to a culture of exploiting teen workers, given the prevalence of corporations and so on.

Often such things are family businesses in any case, so food+board is being provided (but can't be counted due to laws demanding actual legal tender as wages, rightfully so given the history of "company credits", even if I'd personally amend this to allow lodgings as part of payment if those lodgings meet legal standards for habiltability.)

This is all weird conjecture. Most workers are employed in small businesses, 60% of British workers by current figures and these include plenty of people below the age of 21. Many perhaps even most of these people bills to bay and aren't working or living with mum and dad. Even if they are they're often obliged to contribute to the household budget. Even then, many of those who are living how you're saying want the opportunity to move out and live independently. Taking away more of their wages is a horrible idea.

Fair enough, I wasn't aware of the extent of small businesses it seems. You've convinced me.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Very small businesses should be assisted by government-backed cheap loans and tax exemptions to aid their competitiveness. That's the side the relief should always come from, not paying their workers less. For larger companies the focus should be on managing maximum wages and ensuring that the wages and rewards of the higher-ups relate to the company's performance and ensuring that the much smaller class of managers and executives do not take home more than the totality of the rest of the workers put together. Perhaps we can go as far as ten times more than the average person working in the company rather than the current situation where it can be hundreds.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

This is all weird conjecture. Most workers are employed in small businesses, 60% of British workers by current figures and these include plenty of people below the age of 21. Many perhaps even most of these people bills to bay and aren't working or living with mum and dad. Even if they are they're often obliged to contribute to the household budget. Even then, many of those who are living how you're saying want the opportunity to move out and live independently. Taking away more of their wages is a horrible idea.

Fair enough, I wasn't aware of the extent of small businesses it seems. You've convinced me.

A lot of students are also working in small businesses, like local pubs/bars, in order to pay their way through university.

[The Blaatschapen]

Fair enough, I wasn't aware of the extent of small businesses it seems. You've convinced me.

A lot of students are also working in small businesses, like local pubs/bars, in order to pay their way through university.

My drinking puts people through college.

[Dumb Ideologies]

A lot of students are also working in small businesses, like local pubs/bars, in order to pay their way through university.

My drinking puts people through college.

That's quite the angry drunken throw.

[The New California Republic]

My drinking puts people through college.

That's quite the angry drunken throw.

Sheep kick or headbutt, they don't throw.

[Dumb Ideologies]

That's quite the angry drunken throw.

Sheep kick or headbutt, they don't throw.

Deal with drunk sheep regularly?

[The Blaatschapen]

My drinking puts people through college.

That's quite the angry drunken throw.

I would have voted Lib Dems if I'd have voting rights in England.

It's the best way to make up for the broken promise

[The New California Republic]

Sheep kick or headbutt, they don't throw.

Deal with drunk sheep regularly?

Nah, but I assume that they would act aggressively when drunk using a similar method to when they aren't drunk, just how humans still attack people using the same methods whether they are intoxicated or not.