UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Freezic Vast]

Irish annexation/Irish unification when?

Probably when Brexit goes pear shaped and NI decides to bail.

Which should be before the end of the year.

[Myrensis]

So Gove and Boris resigned from their positions as Brexit and Foreign Secretaries? No-Confidence vote when and who will challenge May for Tory leader?

All this internal debate in government is making me side with the Lib Dems more and more, as the only good option left, even if it means a shot at a 2nd referendum.

Who would want to lead the Tories right now? Is there anyone around delusional enough to believe that they can totally get a handle on this "Brexit" thing and deliver a deal that won't immediately get them torn to pieces and blamed for everything when it doesn't satisfy all sides?

[Ifreann]

So Gove and Boris resigned from their positions as Brexit and Foreign Secretaries? No-Confidence vote when and who will challenge May for Tory leader?

All this internal debate in government is making me side with the Lib Dems more and more, as the only good option left, even if it means a shot at a 2nd referendum.

Who would want to lead the Tories right now? Is there anyone around delusional enough to believe that they can totally get a handle on this "Brexit" thing and deliver a deal that won't immediately get them torn to pieces and blamed for everything when it doesn't satisfy all sides?

This is why I maintain that Theresa May is going to stay right where she is until Britain is out of the EU, then she'll be out so fast the wheat fields will catch fire as she rockets through them.

[The Blaatschapen]

So Gove and Boris resigned from their positions as Brexit and Foreign Secretaries? No-Confidence vote when and who will challenge May for Tory leader?

All this internal debate in government is making me side with the Lib Dems more and more, as the only good option left, even if it means a shot at a 2nd referendum.

Who would want to lead the Tories right now? Is there anyone around delusional enough to believe that they can totally get a handle on this "Brexit" thing and deliver a deal that won't immediately get them torn to pieces and blamed for everything when it doesn't satisfy all sides?

Isn't Boris Johnson available now?

[Myrensis]

Who would want to lead the Tories right now? Is there anyone around delusional enough to believe that they can totally get a handle on this "Brexit" thing and deliver a deal that won't immediately get them torn to pieces and blamed for everything when it doesn't satisfy all sides?

This is why I maintain that Theresa May is going to stay right where she is until Britain is out of the EU, then she'll be out so fast the wheat fields will catch fire as she rockets through them.

That is my expectation as well, May is going to be the sacrificial lamb and punching bag in the interim, and after the dust settles then all the Brexiteers will come crawling out of the woodwork talking about how they totally could have delivered everything everyone wanted, but what can you do when May all ready ruined everything?

[Ostroeuropa]

This is why I maintain that Theresa May is going to stay right where she is until Britain is out of the EU, then she'll be out so fast the wheat fields will catch fire as she rockets through them.

That is my expectation as well, May is going to be the sacrificial lamb and punching bag in the interim, and after the dust settles then all the Brexiteers will come crawling out of the woodwork talking about how they totally could have delivered everything everyone wanted, but what can you do when May all ready ruined everything?

Either that or they put it to parliament and their majority evaporates as you get brexiteers going "Well obviously brexit is good but this plan is a shambles and we need to do it again so i'm not voting for it."

And we just remain in perpetual stasis until it becomes apparent we're not going to leave.

[Freezic Vast]

Even if the votes pass in the Commons, the Lords could easily and probably will reject the Brexit deal, like they have been doing since then, have they not?

[Indo-Malaysia]

Even if the votes pass in the Commons, the Lords could easily and probably will reject the Brexit deal, like they have been doing since then, have they not?

Simply proves they have common sense.

It's no wonder May is trying to abolish the checks and balances just to get the laws passed.

[Ifreann]

That is my expectation as well, May is going to be the sacrificial lamb and punching bag in the interim, and after the dust settles then all the Brexiteers will come crawling out of the woodwork talking about how they totally could have delivered everything everyone wanted, but what can you do when May all ready ruined everything?

Either that or they put it to parliament and their majority evaporates as you get brexiteers going "Well obviously brexit is good but this plan is a shambles and we need to do it again so i'm not voting for it."

And we just remain in perpetual stasis until it becomes apparent we're not going to leave.

Or until 2019 when you haven't convinced all the rest of Europe to give you an extension and you're out with no deal.

[Vassenor]

Even if the votes pass in the Commons, the Lords could easily and probably will reject the Brexit deal, like they have been doing since then, have they not?

Simply proves they have common sense.

It's no wonder May is trying to abolish the checks and balances just to get the laws passed.

She doesn't have to. The Parliament Acts are a thing.

May just doesn't like checks and balances on her power in general.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Two more low level Tory MPs resign over the Chequers Plan. One a remainer and one Brexiteer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44785797

Drip, drip, drip...

[Dumb Ideologies]

Two more low level Tory MPs resign over the Chequers Plan. One a remainer and one Brexiteer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44785797

A remainer too? A real rainbow quitalition.

[Jedi Council]

Who would want to lead the Tories right now? Is there anyone around delusional enough to believe that they can totally get a handle on this "Brexit" thing and deliver a deal that won't immediately get them torn to pieces and blamed for everything when it doesn't satisfy all sides?

Isn't Boris Johnson available now?

I think Bojo is too divisive among the parliamentary party to really get a swing at the leadership.

Jeremy Hunt however had been positioning himself as May's heir apparent for a while, and now he is Foreign Secretary.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Isn't Boris Johnson available now?

I think Bojo is too divisive among the parliamentary party to really get a swing at the leadership.

Jeremy Hunt however had been positioning himself as May's heir apparent for a while, and now he is Foreign Secretary.

Johnson and Hunt would make an interesting competition and potential leave a few nasty tears in the party long after the dust settles.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Two more low level Tory MPs resign over the Chequers Plan. One a remainer and one Brexiteer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44785797

Drip, drip, drip...

Both of whom were Vice Chairmen.

I believe Maria was the Vice Chairman of Women

[Thermodolia]

So Gove and Boris resigned from their positions as Brexit and Foreign Secretaries? No-Confidence vote when and who will challenge May for Tory leader?

All this internal debate in government is making me side with the Lib Dems more and more, as the only good option left, even if it means a shot at a 2nd referendum.

Who would want to lead the Tories right now? Is there anyone around delusional enough to believe that they can totally get a handle on this "Brexit" thing and deliver a deal that won't immediately get them torn to pieces and blamed for everything when it doesn't satisfy all sides?

Personally I want to see BoJo in No.10 just for the lolz

[Souseiseki]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6747231/m ... ssed-food/

i know it's the sun but lol now even the government is planning to stockpile food, drinks and medicines in case things go to no deal shitland in the coming year

or maybe this is just a sign that project fear has finally infiltrated the higher levels of government in our great nation and we should be dismayed at how even strong brexit media like the sun have been tricked into spreading anti-brexit hysteria

who knows

[Souseiseki]

john cleese has joined "the list of brexiters who are now leaving" list

[Dumb Ideologies]

Two more low level Tory MPs resign over the Chequers Plan. One a remainer and one Brexiteer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44785797

Drip, drip, drip...

Both of whom were Vice Chairmen.

I believe Maria was the Vice Chairman of Women

Without Bojo around the position is redundant - there's no vice around to protect Tory women from.

[Thermodolia]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6747231/ministers-plan-to-stockpile-processed-food/

i know it's the sun but lol now even the government is planning to stockpile food, drinks and medicines in case things go to no deal shitland in the coming year

or maybe this is just a sign that project fear has finally infiltrated the higher levels of government in our great nation and we should be dismayed at how even strong brexit media like the sun have been tricked into spreading anti-brexit hysteria

who knows

So the government is planning for the eventual break up of the UK. Oh well it was fun while it lasted

[Risottia]

So, how much more likely has a deal-less Brexit become?

Considering the EU has basically been shouting "YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING. THIS IS ALL YOUR OWN PROBLEM" from day one, probably about as likely as it ever was.

Actually, iirc, Britain has been offered EEA membership by the EU. Problem is, the British government wants all the benefits of being in the Single Market without any of the duties, which of course isn't going to happen.

[Vassenor]

Considering the EU has basically been shouting "YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING. THIS IS ALL YOUR OWN PROBLEM" from day one, probably about as likely as it ever was.

Actually, iirc, Britain has been offered EEA membership by the EU. Problem is, the British government wants all the benefits of being in the Single Market without any of the duties, which of course isn't going to happen.

But it should. Because we're special.

[Thermodolia]

Considering the EU has basically been shouting "YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING. THIS IS ALL YOUR OWN PROBLEM" from day one, probably about as likely as it ever was.

Actually, iirc, Britain has been offered EEA membership by the EU. Problem is, the British government wants all the benefits of being in the Single Market without any of the duties, which of course isn't going to happen.

Honestly EEA would probably be worse than no deal.

It would piss of pretty much everyone

[Vassenor]

Actually, iirc, Britain has been offered EEA membership by the EU. Problem is, the British government wants all the benefits of being in the Single Market without any of the duties, which of course isn't going to happen.

Honestly EEA would probably be worse than no deal.

It would piss of pretty much everyone

So how many billions would EEA membership cost the economy?

[Souseiseki]

Actually, iirc, Britain has been offered EEA membership by the EU. Problem is, the British government wants all the benefits of being in the Single Market without any of the duties, which of course isn't going to happen.

Honestly EEA would probably be worse than no deal.

It would piss of pretty much everyone

it'd be a shit compromise but it was 52/48 vote so they can dwi