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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
126
16%
Labour
229
30%
Liberal Democrats
130
17%
Greens
39
5%
UKIP
135
18%
SNP
26
3%
Plaid Cymru
7
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
27
4%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
35
5%
 
Total votes : 766

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:33 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm saying he is deliberately building up the tension to make sure he gets maximum impact.

So everyone is eagerly awaiting what Boris the Blonde Wonder is going to do next.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:36 am

The perennial bad penny Farage has said he is considering running for the leadership of UKIP again.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:39 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The perennial bad penny Farage has said he is considering running for the leadership of UKIP again.


Well yeah. The news was talking about someone other than him for a femtosecond.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:46 am

Chris Green has resigned, citing " I have always understood the idea in 'Brexit means Brexit' ...... "

Would have been good if he could have shared that with the rest of us.
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Postby Philjia » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:50 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:Chris Green has resigned, citing " I have always understood the idea in 'Brexit means Brexit' ...... "

Would have been good if he could have shared that with the rest of us.

If they're a backbencher like Green, it's helpful to say what seat they're in. (He's the Conservative MP for Bolton West and Atherton and was a parliamentary private secretary for the Department of Transport)
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:54 am

All this shit and Theresa still has to meet Trump on Friday the 13th. She'll need a Foreign Secretary for then.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:55 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:All this shit and Theresa still has to meet Trump on Friday the 13th.


She might not be PM by Friday....

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:00 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:All this shit and Theresa still has to meet Trump on Friday the 13th.


She might not be PM by Friday....


I doubt anyone is that keen to meet Trump.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:03 pm

The letter Boris sent to Theresa

Dear Theresa

It is more than two years since the British people voted to leave the European Union on an unambiguous and categorical promise that if they did so they would be taking back control of their democracy.

They were told that they would be able to manage their own immigration policy, repatriate the sums of UK cash currently spent by the EU, and, above all, that they would be able to pass laws independently and in the interests of the people of this country.

Brexit should be about opportunity and hope. It should be a chance to do things differently, to be more nimble and dynamic, and to maximise the particular advantages of the UK as an open, outward-looking global economy.

That dream is dying, suffocated by needless self-doubt.

We have postponed crucial decisions - including the preparations for no deal, as I argued in my letter to you of last November - with the result that we appear to be heading for a semi-Brexit, with large parts of the economy still locked in the EU system, but with no UK control over that system.

It now seems that the opening bid of our negotiations involves accepting that we are not actually going to be able to make our own laws. Indeed we seem to have gone backwards since the last Chequers meeting in February, when I described my frustrations, as Mayor of London, in trying to protect cyclists from juggernauts. We had wanted to lower the cabin windows to improve visibility; and even though such designs were already on the market, and even though there had been a horrific spate of deaths, mainly of female cyclists, we were told that we had to wait for the EU to legislate on the matter.

So at the previous Chequers session we thrashed out an elaborate procedure for divergence from EU rules. But even that now seems to have been taken off the table, and there is in fact no easy UK right of initiative. Yet if Brexit is to mean anything, it must surely give ministers and Parliament the chance to do things differently to protect the public. If a country cannot pass a law to save the lives of female cyclists - when that proposal is supported at every level of UK government - then I don't see how that country can truly be called independent.

Conversely, the British government has spent decades arguing against this or that EU directive, on the grounds that it was too burdensome or ill-thought out. We are now in the ludicrous position of asserting that we must accept huge amounts of precisely such EU law, without changing an iota, because it is essential for our economic health - and when we no longer have any ability to influence these laws as they are made.

In that respect we are truly headed for the status of colony - and many will struggle to see the economic or political advantages of that particular arrangement.

It is also clear that by surrendering control over our rulebook for goods and agrifoods (and much else besides) we will make it much more difficult to do free trade deals. And then there is the further impediment of having to argue for an impractical and undeliverable customs arrangement unlike any other in existence.

What is even more disturbing is that this is our opening bid. This is already how we see the end state for the UK - before the other side has made its counter-offer. It is as though we are sending our vanguard into battle with the white flags fluttering above them. Indeed, I was concerned, looking at Friday's document, that there might be further concessions on immigration, or that we might end up effectively paying for access to the single market.

On Friday I acknowledged that my side of the argument were too few to prevail, and congratulated you on at least reaching a cabinet decision on the way forward. As I said then, the government now has a song to sing. The trouble is that I have practised the words over the weekend and find that they stick in the throat. We must have collective responsibility. Since I cannot in all conscience champion these proposals, I have sadly concluded that I must go.

I am proud to have served as Foreign Secretary in your government. As I step down, I would like first to thank the patient officers of the Metropolitan Police who have looked after me and my family, at times in demanding circumstances. I am proud too of the extraordinary men and women of our diplomatic service. Over the last few months they have shown how many friends this country has around the world, as 28 governments expelled Russian spies in an unprecedented protest at the attempted assassination of the Skripals. They have organised a highly successful Commonwealth summit and secured record international support for this government's campaign for 12 years of quality education for every girl, and much more besides. As I leave office, the FCO now has the largest and by far the most effective diplomatic network of any country in Europe — a continent which we will never leave.

The Rt Hon Boris Johnson MP
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:08 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:I want a death of stalin type movie based on this shitshow, bound to be a good laugh.

The Death of the UK?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:10 pm

Will the conservative parliament last longer than the KFC double-down offer? KFC recently won me over with its offer from Mcdonalds, so i'm in a swing mood and might vote for the liberal democrats if it does, so they've got til july 22nd. Though if I return to mcdonalds it will be Labour. The conservatives will have to rely on whether wimpy burger makes a comeback. I've decided not to pay attention to the election nonsense, if you couldn't tell. Much like my decision to say fuck it and vote communist last time only to find they didn't exist anymore, so I voted for Labour.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:11 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Will the conservative parliament last longer than the KFC double-down offer? KFC recently won me over with its offer from Mcdonalds, so i'm in a swing mood and might vote for the liberal democrats if it does, so they've got til july 22nd. Though if I return to mcdonalds it will be Labour. The conservatives will have to rely on whether wimpy burger makes a comeback. I've decided not to pay attention to the election nonsense, if you couldn't tell. Much like my decision to say fuck it and vote communist last time only to find they didn't exist anymore, so I voted for Labour.

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So what your saying is that KFC is a liberal plot, and that Archregimancy is the Colonel.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:13 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Will the conservative parliament last longer than the KFC double-down offer? KFC recently won me over with its offer from Mcdonalds, so i'm in a swing mood and might vote for the liberal democrats if it does, so they've got til july 22nd. Though if I return to mcdonalds it will be Labour. The conservatives will have to rely on whether wimpy burger makes a comeback. I've decided not to pay attention to the election nonsense, if you couldn't tell. Much like my decision to say fuck it and vote communist last time only to find they didn't exist anymore, so I voted for Labour.

*receives cheque for shilling.*

So what your saying is that KFC is a liberal plot, and that Archregimancy is the Colonel.


Only a liberal democrat would decide to say fuck it to bread and put a bacon-cheese wad between two bits of chicken. The conservatives would remove the bread and add nothing while telling you to buy your own bread. Labour would close it down for health and safety violations.

Their vision for the country has become appealing to me.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:16 pm

The traditional fast food of Lib Dems is fish and chips with claret.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:18 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:So what your saying is that KFC is a liberal plot, and that Archregimancy is the Colonel.


Only a liberal democrat would decide to say fuck it to bread and put a bacon-cheese wad between two bits of chicken. The conservatives would remove the bread and add nothing while telling you to buy your own bread. Labour would close it down for health and safety violations.

Their vision for the country has become appealing to me.
Delicious Liberalism it is then.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:19 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I want a death of stalin type movie based on this shitshow, bound to be a good laugh.

The Death of the UK?

Or the Ides of May?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:19 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Only a liberal democrat would decide to say fuck it to bread and put a bacon-cheese wad between two bits of chicken. The conservatives would remove the bread and add nothing while telling you to buy your own bread. Labour would close it down for health and safety violations.

Their vision for the country has become appealing to me.
Delicious Liberalism it is then.


The inherent degeneracy of their cause can only be attempted in short bursts lest society collapse into buggery and cannibalism, so it's only available til july 22nd before we have to go back to one of the more pointlessly authoritarian and politically viable parties and their respective outlets, one of which might manage to make less of a fuck up of the economy maybe.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:43 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The traditional fast food of Lib Dems is fish and chips with claret.


Hardly.

I much prefer a nice German riesling with my fish and chips.


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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:48 pm

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The South Falls wrote:The Boris Hall Putsch? I could see it. Get May drunk, force Corbyn into a hole, and tell Gove off gently.


In my political fanfic he takes his recent outbursts at business to their logical conclusion, becomes a radical lexiter, storms back into Westminster at the head of a dozen legions, puts the cabinet's heads on pikes and gets the cowed remains of Parliament to appoint him dictator perpetuo.

So, basically, Oliver Cromwell?
The Archregimancy wrote:Anyway, on more serious topics...

I'm surely not the only person thinking of Sir Robert Peel and the Corn Laws this evening.

You aren't. And it's sad, you know. Those laws were part of the reason why Ireland starved. While this may not cause Ireland to starve again, it'll certainly make Brit industry less competitive.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:00 pm

Jeremy Hunt is replacing Boris.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:00 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Anyway, on more serious topics...

I'm surely not the only person thinking of Sir Robert Peel and the Corn Laws this evening.


I'm not sure that Theresa "running through the wheat fields" May has either the political clout or testicular fortitude to even try it.

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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:04 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Jeremy Hunt is replacing Boris.

He wasn't the best at health secretary, so let's install him in the Foreign Office! Great thinking!
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:06 pm

The South Falls wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Jeremy Hunt is replacing Boris.

He wasn't the best at health secretary, so let's install him in the Foreign Office! Great thinking!

A man I don't like is being replaced by another man that I don't like. Lovely.
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:10 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Jeremy Hunt is replacing Boris.


Oh dear. That can't be good for anyone.
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