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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
126
16%
Labour
229
30%
Liberal Democrats
130
17%
Greens
39
5%
UKIP
135
18%
SNP
26
3%
Plaid Cymru
7
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
27
4%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
35
5%
 
Total votes : 766

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:45 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:Britain is crumbling

Finally, if we can't have Brexit...
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:06 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:Britain is crumbling


It's just Cornish nationalists trying to sneak away while the government is distracted.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:56 am

Tory leadership contest tonight.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:05 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Tory leadership contest tonight.

Cowards all. May was unlikable and she kicked the Brexit bomb down the road by a long way, but at least she had the stones to get something done.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:33 am

So, should May lose tonight, which I actually don't think is as likely as some hope, who do you think will take her place?

I'm personally leaning towards Davis myself. He's a hard eurosceptic but he doesn't have the Trumpian bombastics that Boris Johnson has, at least, not from what I as an American have seen.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:34 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Tory leadership contest tonight.

Cowards all. May was unlikable and she kicked the Brexit bomb down the road by a long way, but at least she had the stones to get something done.


It will be interesting to see which of the cowards put their names in the hat for the contest when she loses the confidence vote. It makes the withdrawal of Article 50 much more likely , which would be an excellent outcome.
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Postby The Buddha Land » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:36 am

Shrillland wrote:So, should May lose tonight, which I actually don't think is as likely as some hope, who do you think will take her place?

I'm personally leaning towards Davis myself. He's a hard eurosceptic but he doesn't have the Trumpian bombastics that Boris Johnson has, at least, not from what I as an American have seen.


I would hope in the very least it is a dedicated Brexiteer, at this point just so they can get the job done. Having a remainer in the premiership has done very little to actually help.

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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Shamhnan Insir wrote:Cowards all. May was unlikable and she kicked the Brexit bomb down the road by a long way, but at least she had the stones to get something done.


It will be interesting to see which of the cowards put their names in the hat for the contest when she loses the confidence vote. It makes the withdrawal of Article 50 much more likely , which would be an excellent outcome.


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Harry Potter will come out as a name :)
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:49 am

Shrillland wrote:So, should May lose tonight, which I actually don't think is as likely as some hope, who do you think will take her place?

I'm personally leaning towards Davis myself. He's a hard eurosceptic but he doesn't have the Trumpian bombastics that Boris Johnson has, at least, not from what I as an American have seen.


Patel or Raab maybe?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:07 am

I don't see May losing honestly.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:09 am

And the shitshow continues!
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:11 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't see May losing honestly.


Me neither. Without a standout candidate the process of a leadership contest would just waste time and put someone with similar (in)ability and (non-)authority in the same situation. Only way I can see enough votes for no confidence and then May losing a leadership vote against another contender is if the parliamentary and membership parties alike have fully resigned themselves to a new election and think that the initial energy of an outside-candidate "fresh face" might get them over the line.

They're the Conservative Party, so when it comes to gambles like that they're usually sort of...um...conservative. But then they gambled on allowing a Brexit referendum, so all bets are off.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:15 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't see May losing honestly.


Me neither. Without a standout candidate the process of a leadership contest would just waste time and put someone with similar (in)ability and (non-)authority in the same situation. Only way I can see enough votes for no confidence and then May losing a leadership vote against another contender is if the parliamentary and membership parties alike have fully resigned themselves to a new election and think that the initial energy of an outside-candidate "fresh face" might get them over the line.

They're the Conservative Party, so when it comes to gambles like that they're usually sort of...um...conservative. But then they gambled on allowing a Brexit referendum, so all bets are off.

If labour were to call a no confidence vote though she might as well pack her bags.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:21 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Me neither. Without a standout candidate the process of a leadership contest would just waste time and put someone with similar (in)ability and (non-)authority in the same situation. Only way I can see enough votes for no confidence and then May losing a leadership vote against another contender is if the parliamentary and membership parties alike have fully resigned themselves to a new election and think that the initial energy of an outside-candidate "fresh face" might get them over the line.

They're the Conservative Party, so when it comes to gambles like that they're usually sort of...um...conservative. But then they gambled on allowing a Brexit referendum, so all bets are off.

If labour were to call a no confidence vote though she might as well pack her bags.

I'm actually questioning if and when a vote against the government will happen.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:33 am

If I were Labour, I would wait until the Conservatives are in the middle of a leadership contest, before calling a vote of no confidence in the government.

If she wins the vote tonight the Tories have painted themselves into a corner, as she will then have to reschedule the meaningful vote on her plan, which she will lose.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:15 am

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one of the low key best things about brexit has been ireland. they have spent decades distancing themselves from the UK in terms of foreign policy, reducing economic dependence on the UK, moving closer to europe politically and making themselves food sufficient. they have been at the gym every day boxing and weaving getting ready for the day that england would yet again try some shit, and now that day has come they're just scoring victory over victory as their would be opponent crumbles under its own hubris. the upper echelons of the conservative and unionist party are absolutely overcome with rage that a country like ireland has the ability to frustrate their politics and confound their knavish tricks so utterly while all they can do it impotently flail about how they're a big boy and ireland is a small boy and this isn't how things are supposed to be because they've completely isolated themselves politically and diplomatically in europe. it is the ultimate success of ireland as a state and it is beautiful to behold.

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Postby Caracasus » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:25 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If I were Labour, I would wait until the Conservatives are in the middle of a leadership contest, before calling a vote of no confidence in the government.

If she wins the vote tonight the Tories have painted themselves into a corner, as she will then have to reschedule the meaningful vote on her plan, which she will lose.


It'd be nice if they took advantage of Tory infighting for a change, instead of seeing it as a perfect oppurtunity to shoot themselves in the foot and start their own civil war.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:27 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ireland just casually seducing all the Remainers.

Your women had me seduced long ago.
Yeah the cailín's will do that.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:31 am

Hope she loses.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:33 am

If May wins she's in a stronger position than before because the internal threat is partly neutered. I wonder if some of the letter-writers would rather the number of letters had stayed just short.
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:45 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:If May wins she's in a stronger position than before because the internal threat is partly neutered. I wonder if some of the letter-writers would rather the number of letters had stayed just short.


I've been keeping an eye on this, and no one seems to be saying they want the job. It's all a bit weird really
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Postby Novus America » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:52 am

Caracasus wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:If May wins she's in a stronger position than before because the internal threat is partly neutered. I wonder if some of the letter-writers would rather the number of letters had stayed just short.


I've been keeping an eye on this, and no one seems to be saying they want the job. It's all a bit weird really


It is much easier to troll from the benches than an actual position of leadership.
People actually expect the PM to at least try to do something and work across different factions.

But people also expect MPs to be ignorant raving trolls.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:53 am

Caracasus wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:If May wins she's in a stronger position than before because the internal threat is partly neutered. I wonder if some of the letter-writers would rather the number of letters had stayed just short.


I've been keeping an eye on this, and no one seems to be saying they want the job. It's all a bit weird really

It's the same shit they've been doing since Cameron jumped ship. They need to keep complaining about how May is handling Brexit so that when it goes tits up they can absolve themselves of any blame, but they don't dare actually oust her, because none of them have the faintest notion how to keep it from going tits up.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:54 am

Novus America wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
I've been keeping an eye on this, and no one seems to be saying they want the job. It's all a bit weird really


It is much easier to troll from the benches than an actual position of leadership.
People actually expect the PM to at least try to do something and work across different factions.

But people also expect MPs to be ignorant raving trolls.


I want them to be raving. Not ignorant though, I prefer loony. Nor trolls, I prefer monster :)
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