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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
126
16%
Labour
229
30%
Liberal Democrats
130
17%
Greens
39
5%
UKIP
135
18%
SNP
26
3%
Plaid Cymru
7
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
27
4%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
35
5%
 
Total votes : 766

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:26 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:So what would happen if he wasn't alone in the protest and a gang of them did that, thereby potentially outnumbering the guards?

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:29 pm

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I’m sorry sir but the ride never ends
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:29 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
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Stop the internet, I want to get off!


Could be worse. Could have been a photo of Boris....

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:30 pm

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Platypus Bureaucracy wrote: :o

Stop the internet, I want to get off!


Could be worse. Could have been a photo of Boris....

What is ol’ BoJo doing these days?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:33 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Could be worse. Could have been a photo of Boris....

What is ol’ BoJo doing these days?


Backbencher hiding out in the hope that people forget how linked he is to this clusterfuck so he can be the next PM.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:36 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:What is ol’ BoJo doing these days?


Backbencher hiding out in the hope that people forget how linked he is to this clusterfuck so he can be the next PM.

Well I guess when the UK goes to shit he’d be a great name to blame
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:56 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What is ol’ BoJo doing these days?


Backbencher hiding out in the hope that people forget how linked he is to this clusterfuck so he can be the next PM.


He's doing what he's always done and getting shit tones of money and being the best paid backbender in parliament for all the shows and shit he goes on, he's currently doing a US tour. He's a celebrity more so than a politician.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:35 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Backbencher hiding out in the hope that people forget how linked he is to this clusterfuck so he can be the next PM.


He's doing what he's always done and getting shit tones of money and being the best paid backbender in parliament for all the shows and shit he goes on, he's currently doing a US tour. He's a celebrity more so than a politician.


But he does provide coconuts with they're promised....

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:37 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
He's doing what he's always done and getting shit tones of money and being the best paid backbender in parliament for all the shows and shit he goes on, he's currently doing a US tour. He's a celebrity more so than a politician.


But he does provide coconuts with they're promised....


Can't we just cut to the chase and elect a surprised pikachu picture? Or maybe a prequelmeme.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:40 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Shamhnan Insir wrote:Irrespective of your position on Brexit, what strategy is May currently running with today's total farce? I'm almost at a loss, what was achieved here apart from total embarrassment and failure?


That likely has a fairly straightforward answer.

As embarrassing and chaotic as today's events have been, Theresa May is still Prime Minister, and will still be Prime Minister on Wednesday.

Had she lost tomorrow's planned vote by as much as she looked likely to lose it, then she almost certainly wouldn't have been Prime Minister on Wednesday; it would have been taken as a de facto vote of no confidence, and her immediate resignation would have been virtually inevitable.

By delaying the vote she temporarily staggers on as Prime Minister to face her next inevitable failure.


She really should have gone ahead with the vote, lost and resigned with a terse statement along the lines of 'fuck it, Brexit is herding cats into a volcano, I'm off'.

She didn't want Brexit, it's impossible to please anyone let alone everyone, the only issue with her leaving is the UK risks getting a total fuck up like Rees Mogg or Boris.. this is about as big a definition of being stuck between a rock and a hard place as there ever was.

The only way out now is to invest in buying the entire nation a huge amount of alcohol and drugs for a mass New Year party and then quietly cancel Article 51 in the morning when everyone's too hungover to care and we all just forget it ever happened.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:46 pm

Bombadil wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
That likely has a fairly straightforward answer.

As embarrassing and chaotic as today's events have been, Theresa May is still Prime Minister, and will still be Prime Minister on Wednesday.

Had she lost tomorrow's planned vote by as much as she looked likely to lose it, then she almost certainly wouldn't have been Prime Minister on Wednesday; it would have been taken as a de facto vote of no confidence, and her immediate resignation would have been virtually inevitable.

By delaying the vote she temporarily staggers on as Prime Minister to face her next inevitable failure.


She really should have gone ahead with the vote, lost and resigned with a terse statement along the lines of 'fuck it, Brexit is herding cats into a volcano, I'm off'.

She didn't want Brexit, it's impossible to please anyone let alone everyone, the only issue with her leaving is the UK risks getting a total fuck up like Rees Mogg or Boris.. this is about as big a definition of being stuck between a rock and a hard place as there ever was.

The only way out now is to invest in buying the entire nation a huge amount of alcohol and drugs for a mass New Year party and then quietly cancel Article 51 in the morning when everyone's too hungover to care and we all just forget it ever happened.


It's sad that the deadline for unilateral cancellation is Mar 29 instead of April 2nd.
That was poor planning from Cameron.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:49 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
But he does provide coconuts with they're promised....


Can't we just cut to the chase and elect a surprised pikachu picture? Or maybe a prequelmeme.

Appoint Hbomb as Lord Protector until he can educate the nation on how the prequels were good.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:49 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
She really should have gone ahead with the vote, lost and resigned with a terse statement along the lines of 'fuck it, Brexit is herding cats into a volcano, I'm off'.

She didn't want Brexit, it's impossible to please anyone let alone everyone, the only issue with her leaving is the UK risks getting a total fuck up like Rees Mogg or Boris.. this is about as big a definition of being stuck between a rock and a hard place as there ever was.

The only way out now is to invest in buying the entire nation a huge amount of alcohol and drugs for a mass New Year party and then quietly cancel Article 51 in the morning when everyone's too hungover to care and we all just forget it ever happened.


It's sad that the deadline for unilateral cancellation is Mar 29 instead of April 2nd.
That was poor planning from Cameron.


It was May that invoked Article 50.....

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:54 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's sad that the deadline for unilateral cancellation is Mar 29 instead of April 2nd.
That was poor planning from Cameron.


It was May that invoked Article 50.....


Yeah but he could have pranked the nation and the EU instead and gone through with it himself, fucked up the deal, then pulled the April 1st thing and gone down in history as a legend instead of a knob. Would have made his "doo doo doo, right, good." exit a lot funnier too.

"I did it to teach you all what a fucking mess Brexit would be and stop you from thinking it was a good idea."

28% support a brexit now.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:56 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
It was May that invoked Article 50.....


Yeah but he could have pranked the nation and the EU instead and gone through with it himself, fucked up the deal, then pulled the April 1st thing and gone down in history as a legend instead of a knob. Would have made his "doo doo doo, right, good." exit a lot funnier too.

"I did it to teach you all what a fucking mess Brexit would be and stop you from thinking it was a good idea."

28% support a brexit now.


Whatever he did he was going down in history as the PM who put his cock in a pigs mouth.....

28%? Where is that from?
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:00 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
It was May that invoked Article 50.....


Yeah but he could have pranked the nation and the EU instead and gone through with it himself, fucked up the deal, then pulled the April 1st thing and gone down in history as a legend instead of a knob. Would have made his "doo doo doo, right, good." exit a lot funnier too.

"I did it to teach you all what a fucking mess Brexit would be and stop you from thinking it was a good idea."

28% support a brexit now.


I've always said his biggest fuck up was scheduling the referendum in the midst of the fucking European Cup.. I mean if you're going to pick a moment more when England feel against the entirety of Europe that's about the best time you can do it.. remember then losing to Iceland a few days later.. the whole thing has been a joke from start to finish.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:00 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Yeah but he could have pranked the nation and the EU instead and gone through with it himself, fucked up the deal, then pulled the April 1st thing and gone down in history as a legend instead of a knob. Would have made his "doo doo doo, right, good." exit a lot funnier too.

"I did it to teach you all what a fucking mess Brexit would be and stop you from thinking it was a good idea."

28% support a brexit now.


Whatever he did he was going down in history as the PM who put his cock in a pigs mouth.....

28%? Where is that from?

The PM who we know put his cock in a pig's mouth. Not necessarily the only PM to do so.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:01 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Whatever he did he was going down in history as the PM who put his cock in a pigs mouth.....

28%? Where is that from?

The PM who we know put his cock in a pig's mouth. Not necessarily the only PM to do so.


...well I've always had suspicions about Thatcher...

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:03 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Yeah but he could have pranked the nation and the EU instead and gone through with it himself, fucked up the deal, then pulled the April 1st thing and gone down in history as a legend instead of a knob. Would have made his "doo doo doo, right, good." exit a lot funnier too.

"I did it to teach you all what a fucking mess Brexit would be and stop you from thinking it was a good idea."

28% support a brexit now.


Whatever he did he was going down in history as the PM who put his cock in a pigs mouth.....

28%? Where is that from?


I mucked that one up, it's the recent poll:

When asked whether MPs should back or oppose the deal, 43 per cent said it should be rejected by parliament, 26 per cent said it should be accepted and 31 per cent said they did not know.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 73926.html
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:06 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Whatever he did he was going down in history as the PM who put his cock in a pigs mouth.....

28%? Where is that from?


I mucked that one up, it's the recent poll:

When asked whether MPs should back or oppose the deal, 43 per cent said it should be rejected by parliament, 26 per cent said it should be accepted and 31 per cent said they did not know.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 73926.html


31% don't know....

It's almost like this stuff is super complicated and those 31% are the most honest among us. And a good reason why direct democracy is fucking stupid.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:42 am

Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Philjia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:11 am

HIGNFY have produced a handy diagram to explain the next steps in the Brexit process:
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:14 am

These wage rises/labour market is very interesting, over half of the job adverts in my local area were posted 2+ months ago on websites like indeed and reed. There seems to be a serious shortage of workers all across the skills spectrum and wages are rising accordingly to attract people. I remember my dad losing his job before going self-employed a few years after the crisis and saying most jobs were up for a week or two before being snapped up.

Now it's a pure employee market, employers have little say in negotiations. People move in between jobs regularly and employers regularly shower out joining bonuses/grants/loans. The local Tesco warehouse has gone out to the newspaper with full page ads offering to take anything that breathes because they're struggling to operate at current

Then again .. South only. I know the unemployment rate in the North is over 5%, while South East is just 3%. In my city unemployment is under 1% and there's more jobs open (around ~3k) than there are unemployed. But that brings us up to another problem - geographical immobility. The cost of housing and moving is so great that even if someone wanted to move to the south for work, it's financially unfeasible even if they would have a better life here and contribute more in tax.

In my area + 10 miles somewhat over half advertise themselves for 30k salary and up, just over one in ten for 100k+ and under 20k is around 20% of the websites I'm looking at. I can even see Trainee jobs for school leavers/career changers that start on 27k basic salary.

It's a great time for the economy, for those asking for a wage rise, for graduates, for those looking for a job and for people changing careers.

Indicator of how good things are

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- Salary – circa £25,000

- Competitive pension

- 37 hour working week with flexible working hours

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:23 am

Philjia wrote:HIGNFY have produced a handy diagram to explain the next steps in the Brexit process:

Juncker becomes UK PM, you say? Interesting.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:23 am

Philjia wrote:HIGNFY have produced a handy diagram to explain the next steps in the Brexit process:

Come on.

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