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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
116
16%
Labour
221
30%
Liberal Democrats
126
17%
Greens
37
5%
UKIP
134
18%
SNP
26
4%
Plaid Cymru
6
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
25
3%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
33
4%
 
Total votes : 736

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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:11 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:On the issue of property ownership in the UK, once can't go past the meticulous research of the folks who run https://whoownsengland.org/2018/06/22/m ... dated-map/

So easy to forget sometimes that this country has never had a decent revolution, and there are huge swathes of the country owned by the descendants of feudal landlords. The degree of toleration British society seems to afford their lordships never ceases to amaze me, to be honest.


The landowning isn't the problem: see, for example, Scotland, where basically all of the land is so owned, but the right to roam is far stronger than in the rest of the UK. The problem is how weak the equivalent legislation outside of Wales is.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:13 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Neu Leonstein wrote:On the issue of property ownership in the UK, once can't go past the meticulous research of the folks who run https://whoownsengland.org/2018/06/22/m ... dated-map/

So easy to forget sometimes that this country has never had a decent revolution, and there are huge swathes of the country owned by the descendants of feudal landlords. The degree of toleration British society seems to afford their lordships never ceases to amaze me, to be honest.


The landowning isn't the problem: see, for example, Scotland, where basically all of the land is so owned, but the right to roam is far stronger than in the rest of the UK. The problem is how weak the equivalent legislation outside of Wales is.


While that's an issue, it's less of one than home ownership, surely?
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:11 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
The landowning isn't the problem: see, for example, Scotland, where basically all of the land is so owned, but the right to roam is far stronger than in the rest of the UK. The problem is how weak the equivalent legislation outside of Wales is.


While that's an issue, it's less of one than home ownership, surely?


*Shrug*. For me, and most people my age, home ownership is a thing that might or might not be an issue at some point in the distant future, at which point this might or might not be an issue.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:32 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
While that's an issue, it's less of one than home ownership, surely?


*Shrug*. For me, and most people my age, home ownership is a thing that might or might not be an issue at some point in the distant future, at which point this might or might not be an issue.


Step one: end the commoditization of the housing market and stop people trying to profiteer off it.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:45 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
*Shrug*. For me, and most people my age, home ownership is a thing that might or might not be an issue at some point in the distant future, at which point this might or might not be an issue.


Step one: end the commoditization of the housing market and stop people trying to profiteer off it.


How do you stop something that's been going on for centuries? Ground rents got stuck in the mud so people with wealth stopped buying them and started buying houses to let.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:40 pm

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-14063008

I'm in one of the houses affected by this. It's been nearly 30 degrees today and it smells like someone took a shit in the corner of my office.

Fuck the Chinese bastard and please get this cleaned up.

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An Alan Smithee Nation
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:04 am

I suspect Corbyn will use the Heathrow runway, at the next election, to gain a few London seats from the Tories.

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Postby Chan Island » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:37 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I suspect Corbyn will use the Heathrow runway, at the next election, to gain a few London seats from the Tories.


Which might not be a good idea. Richmond Park, the constituency that specifically has Heathrow in it, was won by the Liberal Democrats in 2016. Might be wise to just let them have another crack at unseating Zac Goldsmith again.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:40 am

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/reason-stomach-churning-stench-droylsden-14063008

I'm in one of the houses affected by this. It's been nearly 30 degrees today and it smells like someone took a shit in the corner of my office.

Fuck the Chinese bastard and please get this cleaned up.

I can sympathise, I live across the river from the sewage treatment works.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:57 am

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/reason-stomach-churning-stench-droylsden-14063008

I'm in one of the houses affected by this. It's been nearly 30 degrees today and it smells like someone took a shit in the corner of my office.

Fuck the Chinese bastard and please get this cleaned up.


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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:55 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Step one: end the commoditization of the housing market and stop people trying to profiteer off it.


How do you stop something that's been going on for centuries? Ground rents got stuck in the mud so people with wealth stopped buying them and started buying houses to let.


Tax buy-to-rent mortgages hard.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]


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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:14 am


Looks like we'll be busting out the fans again. The aircon at my work is the dogs bollocks.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:15 am

Alvecia wrote:

Looks like we'll be busting out the fans again. The aircon at my work is the dogs bollocks.

I'm roasting out there. Man's too hot :P

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:22 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Looks like we'll be busting out the fans again. The aircon at my work is the dogs bollocks.

I'm roasting out there. Man's too hot :P

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Postby Irish Laren » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:07 am

I think the EU is trying to block it, and I did read something about the Irish-British border, so my solution is: Ireland should also leave the EU
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Independent: The leader of the now banned group called "Feck the Brits" called for a civil war in Irish Laren if the President doesn't uplift the ban and ban all the British people and everything British. Which got him arrested just an hour ago and President Dave Hagen reacted to this by saying: "We do not accept such threats simply because they doesn't like the UK, we had a harsh past, but after all, the UK and Ireland are both trade partners of Irish Laren, even when Irish Laren was under British rule", the INP condemns the ant-British group and supports the President

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:09 am

Irish Laren wrote:I think the EU is trying to block it, and I did read something about the Irish-British border, so my solution is: Ireland should also leave the EU

We don't want to leave the EU, though.
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:25 am

Ifreann wrote:
Irish Laren wrote:I think the EU is trying to block it, and I did read something about the Irish-British border, so my solution is: Ireland should also leave the EU

We don't want to leave the EU, though.

"What the Irish want" has historically been of little concern to the British.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:34 am

Irish Laren wrote:I think the EU is trying to block it, and I did read something about the Irish-British border, so my solution is: Ireland should also leave the EU

Well the South doesnt want to, so thats not happening.
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Postby Irish Laren » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:37 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Irish Laren wrote:I think the EU is trying to block it, and I did read something about the Irish-British border, so my solution is: Ireland should also leave the EU

Well the South doesnt want to, so thats not happening.


Ahum, it's called the Republic, and there are Irish people who want the Republic of Ireland to leave the EU
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:40 am

Irish Laren wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well the South doesnt want to, so thats not happening.


Ahum, it's called the Republic, and there are Irish people who want the Republic of Ireland to leave the EU

Its also called the south cuz its to the fucking south, and there are irish people who dont want to leave the EU, and there are far far far more of them.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:45 am

Irish Laren wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well the South doesnt want to, so thats not happening.


Ahum, it's called the Republic, and there are Irish people who want the Republic of Ireland to leave the EU

About twenty, maybe.
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won
The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
We build the wall to keep us free

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Postby Irish Laren » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:46 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Irish Laren wrote:
Ahum, it's called the Republic, and there are Irish people who want the Republic of Ireland to leave the EU

Its also called the south cuz its to the fucking south, and there are irish people who dont want to leave the EU, and there are far far far more of them.
No, it's officially called the Republic Ireland or just Ireland, and the majority want to stay in the EU, but there are a plenty of Irish people who want Ireland to leave the EU, there are also still Conservatives out there in Ireland, Ireland is basically a mix of Liberalism and Conservatism (something like the United Kingdom but Ireland is somewhat more Liberal and the UK somewhat more Conservative)
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Independent: The leader of the now banned group called "Feck the Brits" called for a civil war in Irish Laren if the President doesn't uplift the ban and ban all the British people and everything British. Which got him arrested just an hour ago and President Dave Hagen reacted to this by saying: "We do not accept such threats simply because they doesn't like the UK, we had a harsh past, but after all, the UK and Ireland are both trade partners of Irish Laren, even when Irish Laren was under British rule", the INP condemns the ant-British group and supports the President

No stereotypes about Irish Laren and Ireland please!
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:47 am

Irish Laren wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Its also called the south cuz its to the fucking south, and there are irish people who dont want to leave the EU, and there are far far far more of them.
No, it's officially called the Republic Ireland or just Ireland, and the majority want to stay in the EU, but there are a plenty of Irish people who want Ireland to leave the EU, there are also still Conservatives out there in Ireland, Ireland is basically a mix of Liberalism and Conservatism (something like the United Kingdom but Ireland is somewhat more Liberal and the UK somewhat more Conservative)

Yeah i know its official name and i know it has a large conservative aspect to its political make up, because i am irish.

Dont lecture me.
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Postby Irish Laren » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:48 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Irish Laren wrote: No, it's officially called the Republic Ireland or just Ireland, and the majority want to stay in the EU, but there are a plenty of Irish people who want Ireland to leave the EU, there are also still Conservatives out there in Ireland, Ireland is basically a mix of Liberalism and Conservatism (something like the United Kingdom but Ireland is somewhat more Liberal and the UK somewhat more Conservative)

Yeah i know its official name and i know it has a large conservative aspect to its political make up, because i am irish.

Dont lecture me.


You just told me otherwise, and i know that you are Irish, your signature says it all
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Independent: The leader of the now banned group called "Feck the Brits" called for a civil war in Irish Laren if the President doesn't uplift the ban and ban all the British people and everything British. Which got him arrested just an hour ago and President Dave Hagen reacted to this by saying: "We do not accept such threats simply because they doesn't like the UK, we had a harsh past, but after all, the UK and Ireland are both trade partners of Irish Laren, even when Irish Laren was under British rule", the INP condemns the ant-British group and supports the President

No stereotypes about Irish Laren and Ireland please!
If ya wanna attack me personally then leave me alone

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