UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Ostroeuropa]

It's not good enough to start demanding it now because those cultures are already here. We need to crackdown and do something about it. Personally i'd go for comprehensive sex ed, restructuring religious education to include criticism of religion more thoroughly with the goal of pushing either atheist or liberal religion on the students and getting them to reject conservative religion, and banning faith schools. Ban gender segregation, including in religious areas, and so on. Start cracking down, we need policy action.

Good ideas all around.

Now only to wish for a party that would actually do that without bringing a laundry list of rightwing terrible while at it.

Working on it mate. Join Labour, reform Labour.

[Ifreann]

we're already supreme global kings of going to other countries and telling them what to do. all we need to do is turn that inwards and everything is fixed.

Invade yourselves and plant a flag.

[Chan Island]

Good ideas all around.

Now only to wish for a party that would actually do that without bringing a laundry list of rightwing terrible while at it.

Working on it mate. Join Labour, reform Labour.

Problem is much of Labour's support does come from the people who myopically defend these atrocities in the name of diversity. Would be quite the uphill climb.

That said, I have been considering joining the Labour Party as of late. There are various, plausibly achievable things that could be changed from within to make it a party fit to rule the nation. I assume you have already done so?

[Bienenhalde]

It's not good enough to start demanding it now because those cultures are already here. We need to crackdown and do something about it. Personally i'd go for comprehensive sex ed, restructuring religious education to include criticism of religion more thoroughly with the goal of pushing either atheist or liberal religion on the students and getting them to reject conservative religion, and banning faith schools. Ban gender segregation, including in religious areas, and so on. Start cracking down, we need policy action.

How do you think cracking down on conservative religion would reduce child rape, or for that matter, rape of any kind? Generally religious conservatives promote strict restrictions on sexual behavior, which should mean that rape would be less common and more stigmatized. Of course, I know more about Christianity than Islam. Maybe there are some odd Muslim beliefs or practices that I am unaware of that somehow would contribute to the problem.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's not good enough to start demanding it now because those cultures are already here. We need to crackdown and do something about it. Personally i'd go for comprehensive sex ed, restructuring religious education to include criticism of religion more thoroughly with the goal of pushing either atheist or liberal religion on the students and getting them to reject conservative religion, and banning faith schools. Ban gender segregation, including in religious areas, and so on. Start cracking down, we need policy action.

How do you think cracking down on conservative religion would reduce child rape, or for that matter, rape of any kind? Generally religious conservatives promote strict restrictions on sexual behavior, which should mean that rape would be less common and more stigmatized. Of course, I know more about Christianity than Islam. Maybe there are some odd Muslim beliefs or practices that I am unaware of that somehow would contribute to the problem.

There's the misogyny involved and also the slut narrative underlying that conservatism both of which contribute to rape. I.E, a woman should act conservative, or she's a slut and sleeps around. This gives people a sense of entitlement to women who don't behave conservatively and so on.

Religion generally results in negative outcomes when you look at the stats, so it's also a compounding factor as it all piles up on eachother. (Religion and low education correlate, so do low education and rape, and so on and so on.). One of the major predictors for rapists is being a victim of early childhood violence, and corporal punishment of children is often a factor in conservative religion.

In any case, something is clearly up and needs to be addressed.

Working on it mate. Join Labour, reform Labour.

Problem is much of Labour's support does come from the people who myopically defend these atrocities in the name of diversity. Would be quite the uphill climb.

That said, I have been considering joining the Labour Party as of late. There are various, plausibly achievable things that could be changed from within to make it a party fit to rule the nation. I assume you have already done so?

Yeah those people need to be marginalized or converted first. I am a member of Labour and Momentum.

[Bienenhalde]

There's the misogyny involved and also the slut narrative underlying that conservatism both of which contribute to rape. I.E, a woman should act conservative, or she's a slut and sleeps around. This gives people a sense of entitlement to women who don't behave conservatively and so on.

Obviously sex-posiitive feminists like to parrot this narrative pretty often, but I am sort of surprised that you un-ironically believe it. But I guess your left-progressivist anti-religion sentiment trumps your suspicion of feminists. Anyway, to seek sexual pleasure by taking advantage of someone who you not only have no intent to marry, but do not even love is obviously a very wicked and sinful thing to do. It really is not complicated, but I suppose some people are willfully obtuse.

[Chan Island]

There's the misogyny involved and also the slut narrative underlying that conservatism both of which contribute to rape. I.E, a woman should act conservative, or she's a slut and sleeps around. This gives people a sense of entitlement to women who don't behave conservatively and so on.

Obviously sex-posiitive feminists like to parrot this narrative pretty often, but I am sort of surprised that you un-ironically believe it. But I guess your left-progressivist anti-religion sentiment trumps your suspicion of feminists. Anyway, to seek sexual pleasure by taking advantage of someone who you not only have no intent to marry, but do not even love is obviously a very wicked and sinful thing to do. It really is not complicated, but I suppose some people are willfully obtuse.

It's so wicked and sinful, almost every single perpetrator found has been religious, in a country where the majority are not.

[Vassenor]

Working on it mate. Join Labour, reform Labour.

Problem is much of Labour's support does come from the people who myopically defend these atrocities in the name of diversity. Would be quite the uphill climb.

That said, I have been considering joining the Labour Party as of late. There are various, plausibly achievable things that could be changed from within to make it a party fit to rule the nation. I assume you have already done so?

People are defending this?

[Bienenhalde]

Obviously sex-posiitive feminists like to parrot this narrative pretty often, but I am sort of surprised that you un-ironically believe it. But I guess your left-progressivist anti-religion sentiment trumps your suspicion of feminists. Anyway, to seek sexual pleasure by taking advantage of someone who you not only have no intent to marry, but do not even love is obviously a very wicked and sinful thing to do. It really is not complicated, but I suppose some people are willfully obtuse.

It's so wicked and sinful, almost every single perpetrator found has been religious, in a country where the majority are not.

Not everybody who is Middle Eastern or Pakistani is a Muslim or is religiously devout. Indeed, an irreligious person from that part of the world would probably be more likely to emigrate to a western country. And that is assuming that there is a problem in particular with immigrants from that part of the world. I think there are some unscrupulous media outlets that will focus on stories of crimes committed by Middle Eastern or Asian immigrants, even if there is little proof the stories are true, and ignore the same kinds of stories about white British, at least as long as there is no definite evidence, because they are racist or because they know they can make money pandering to racists.

[Vassenor]

It's so wicked and sinful, almost every single perpetrator found has been religious, in a country where the majority are not.

Not everybody who is Middle Eastern or Pakistani is a Muslim or is religiously devout. Indeed, an irreligious person from that part of the world would probably be more likely to emigrate to a western country. And that is assuming that there is a problem in particular with immigrants from that part of the world. I think there are some unscrupulous media outlets that will focus on stories of crimes committed by Middle Eastern or Asian immigrants, even if there is little proof the stories are true, and ignore the same kinds of stories about white British, at least as long as there is no definite evidence, because they are racist or because they know they can make money pandering to racists.

So you're saying that if there was a bust of a ring like this among a typical Conservative-voting demographic it'd get the hush-hush treatment?

[Ifreann]

Obviously sex-posiitive feminists like to parrot this narrative pretty often, but I am sort of surprised that you un-ironically believe it. But I guess your left-progressivist anti-religion sentiment trumps your suspicion of feminists. Anyway, to seek sexual pleasure by taking advantage of someone who you not only have no intent to marry, but do not even love is obviously a very wicked and sinful thing to do. It really is not complicated, but I suppose some people are willfully obtuse.

It's so wicked and sinful, almost every single perpetrator found has been religious, in a country where the majority are not.

Every single perpetrator of sex crimes in the UK is religious?

That seems unlikely.

[Ifreann]

Not everybody who is Middle Eastern or Pakistani is a Muslim or is religiously devout. Indeed, an irreligious person from that part of the world would probably be more likely to emigrate to a western country. And that is assuming that there is a problem in particular with immigrants from that part of the world. I think there are some unscrupulous media outlets that will focus on stories of crimes committed by Middle Eastern or Asian immigrants, even if there is little proof the stories are true, and ignore the same kinds of stories about white British, at least as long as there is no definite evidence, because they are racist or because they know they can make money pandering to racists.

So you're saying that if there was a bust of a ring like this among a typical Conservative-voting demographic it'd get the hush-hush treatment?

Remember how Jimmy Saville abused a child and then immediately went to prison? No? Me neither.

[Bienenhalde]

So you're saying that if there was a bust of a ring like this among a typical Conservative-voting demographic it'd get the hush-hush treatment?

Many white British people vote for Labour or Liberal Democrats too. Also, there is the issue of false accusations, which apparently are given more credence if they are made against persons of an unpopular ethnic or racial group.

[Vassenor]

Also this isn't a new ring. This is the trial that Robinson was trying to derail.

[Chan Island]

Problem is much of Labour's support does come from the people who myopically defend these atrocities in the name of diversity. Would be quite the uphill climb.

That said, I have been considering joining the Labour Party as of late. There are various, plausibly achievable things that could be changed from within to make it a party fit to rule the nation. I assume you have already done so?

People are defending this?

Yes. Unfortunately. Please excuse the unsavoury nature of some of these websites, I chose them in the interests of swiftness.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/0 ... ape-gangs/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-35440954

http://www.thejournal.ie/labour-mp-resi ... 0-Aug2017/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 90216.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4358394/l ... -petition/

It must of course noted that these are not the majority in the Labour Party, but we're dealing with the realms of sufficiently large numbers for this to be ... an annoyance. A disappointment.

[Phoenicaea]

it is seemengly that there, in Uk you ve got unite and disciplined labours and scattered conservatives.

if this may be the case, it may seem ashtonishing to a continental man since he s used implicitly to see the opposite of this.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I welcome a crackdown on child grooming gangs, the police have been too slow in investigating. I just think the narrative that this is a new thing caused by brown people is bollocks. Dodgy gangs of men working in twilight industries like taxi drivers, hansom cab drivers, amusement arcade workers, etc have been grooming young vulnerable women forever. And the police have largely ignored it forever. There is a lot of truth in the idea that you can judge a society by how they treat the most vulnerable, like kids in care, prisoners and the homeless.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's utterly shameful how indigenous kiddy-fiddlers have been near-totally pushed out the market by organised foreign gangs.

British kids for British pedos.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

It's utterly shameful how indigenous kiddy-fiddlers have been near-totally pushed out the market by organised foreign gangs.

British kids for British pedos.

Various pedo members of EDL seem to be holding there own, as it were.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's utterly shameful how indigenous kiddy-fiddlers have been near-totally pushed out the market by organised foreign gangs.

British kids for British pedos.

Various pedo members of EDL seem to be holding there own, as it were.

MI5 spies. I've seen documentaries about the EDL. They can't even groom themselves.

[Trumptonium1]

British kids for British pedos.

Welcome to the NCA watchlist.

[Dumb Ideologies]

British kids for British pedos.

Welcome to the NCA watchlist.

Senpai noticed me a while ago ~♥~

[Caracasus]

The problem with focusing solely on the ethnicity of the perpetrators is that it misses other very important factors. We've been a bit shit at dealing with child abuse.

It probably isn't a coincidence that the victims were predominantly from poor working class families, and there seems to have been a very dismissive approach to handling the few instances where the victims were able to come forward to the police, in these cases they were often dismissed as sluts and troublemakers as many were already known to the police for other reasons. I kind of wonder how far these gangs would have gotten if they'd picked their targets from nice leafy suburbs.

[Vassenor]

The problem with focusing solely on the ethnicity of the perpetrators is that it misses other very important factors. We've been a bit shit at dealing with child abuse.

It probably isn't a coincidence that the victims were predominantly from poor working class families, and there seems to have been a very dismissive approach to handling the few instances where the victims were able to come forward to the police, in these cases they were often dismissed as sluts and troublemakers as many were already known to the police for other reasons. I kind of wonder how far these gangs would have gotten if they'd picked their targets from nice leafy suburbs.

Missing White Woman Syndrome at work?

[The Huskar Social Union]

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