UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Salandriagado]

No they aren't. It's claiming to be graphing average earnings, but actually graphing rate of change of average earnings.

Why are you being obtuse over nothing?

They are saving space. Someone would have to be especially mentally challenged to interpret that graph as average earnings swinging between one to four pounds a year.

The percentage symbol clearly implies rate of change. No need for further clarification.

Besides, if you want to get pedantic or play over semantics, why is "average earnings" there? Average earnings of what? Just wages? Does that include all earnings? Does that include all employees or just full-time ones? Does it include bonuses or benefits in kind? What is inflation? Is it RPI or CPI? Is it CPI excluding oil?

Perhaps the graph should have said
"Rate of change of salary-earnings (inclusive of overtime) excluding bonuses and monetary value of benefits in kind of all persons employed on part-time and full-time basis excluding employees at sea" to better reflect the true definition of 'average earnings' in this context. But I doubt they had enough space in the graph.

I'm not being obtuse. It's wrong.

Besides, if you want to get pedantic or play over semantics, why is "average earnings" there? Average earnings of what? Just wages? Does that include all earnings? Does that include all employees or just full-time ones? Does it include bonuses or benefits in kind? What is inflation? Is it RPI or CPI? Is it CPI excluding oil?

Those are all issues of specificity. Not outright incorrect. It's as non-sensical as labelling a graph of velocity as "speed".

[Trumptonium1]

But not of the British Government.

The British Government is bound by the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights.

let them enforce it

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The British Government is bound by the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights.

let them enforce it

https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22languageisocode%22:[%22ENG%22],%22respondent%22:[%22GBR%22],%22documentcollectionid2%22:[%22GRANDCHAMBER%22,%22CHAMBER%22]}

(Copy it into your browser)

Here is a list of all rulings of the ECHR involving the UK. The UK has complied with all court orders so far. They are doing pretty well.

[Philjia]

Just when it seemed things couldn't get worse, Mad Cow Disease is back.

[The Blaatschapen]

Sell it to me, nothing bad could ever happen.


500 million million drachmae

Maybe the Dutch would like to put in a bid.

Woah! Unless there is a catholic king hiding there, we want none of it. It took us a century to normalize relations between catholics and protestants, we do not want to redo all that work.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Just when it seemed things couldn't get worse, Mad Cow Disease is back.

Hopefully it remains an isolated case.

[The New California Republic]

Just when it seemed things couldn't get worse, Mad Cow Disease is back.

I beat you to it.

[Ifreann]

Just when it seemed things couldn't get worse, Mad Cow Disease is back.

I beat you to it.

U mad tho?

[The New California Republic]

I beat you to it.

U mad tho?

Nah, I ain't a mad cow. A crabbit cow, sure, but not mad.

[Trumptonium1]

let them enforce it

https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22languageisocode%22:[%22ENG%22],%22respondent%22:[%22GBR%22],%22documentcollectionid2%22:[%22GRANDCHAMBER%22,%22CHAMBER%22]}

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Here is a list of all rulings of the ECHR involving the UK. The UK has complied with all court orders so far. They are doing pretty well.

I'll give it to you:
The UK is unique in being a fucking pussy and complying with everything a foreign court tells them to do. France still has outstanding orders, let alone Eastern countries and Italy/Greece. If memory serves me right there's a ruling which Germany has ignored too. But then the UK was also one of only three countries which never used EU mechanisms to block migration and never utilised deportation rules for unemployed EU migrants, so it's part of a wider pussification/Germanificiation problem.

[Dooom35796821595]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 88801.html

Remember at the start of Brexit, when there was all that noise about the 330,000 odd EU migrants in the UK and what will happen to them after Brexit? The government tried to deal with the EU, to guarantee that UK residents in Europe would be treated fairly as well, but were pressured into giving residents unilateral citizenship or something. It seems the French aren’t so kind...

[Trumptonium1]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-france-visa-uk-citizens-no-deal-travel-warning-emergency-action-eurostar-paris-a8588801.html

Remember at the start of Brexit, when there was all that noise about the 330,000 odd EU migrants in the UK and what will happen to them after Brexit?

It's much more than that, but it depends who you consider an EU migrant. At most it's just under 4 million. 330k would be probably be the net EU migration of those who came after 2016 -- although the total in 2016 + 2017 was just over 490 000 before subtracting those who left.

But the upper end figure of 4 million also includes pretty silly ideas, like considering people who came before their country joined the EU as "EU migrants" and also people who have settled status. I know of at least one case of a naturalised citizen being labeled as EU migrant for admin purposes (UCAS) so how these contribute to the total figure if at all I don't know, but it's certainly a wishy washy number.

The government tried to deal with the EU, to guarantee that UK residents in Europe would be treated fairly as well, but were pressured into giving residents unilateral citizenship or something. It seems the French aren’t so kind...

Those are for entering France. Not for living in it. They're introducing visas for UK tourists et al.

Which is crap, as it'll ruin my yearly skiing holiday, but then there's always Switzerland.

[Dooom35796821595]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-france-visa-uk-citizens-no-deal-travel-warning-emergency-action-eurostar-paris-a8588801.html

Remember at the start of Brexit, when there was all that noise about the 330,000 odd EU migrants in the UK and what will happen to them after Brexit?

It's much more than that, but it depends who you consider an EU migrant. At most it's just under 4 million. 330k would be probably be the net EU migration of those who came after 2016 -- although the total in 2016 + 2017 was just over 490 000 before subtracting those who left.

But the upper end figure of 4 million also includes pretty silly ideas, like considering people who came before their country joined the EU as "EU migrants" and also people who have settled status. I know of at least one case of a naturalised citizen being labeled as EU migrant for admin purposes (UCAS) so how these contribute to the total figure if at all I don't know, but it's certainly a wishy washy number.

The government tried to deal with the EU, to guarantee that UK residents in Europe would be treated fairly as well, but were pressured into giving residents unilateral citizenship or something. It seems the French aren’t so kind...

Those are for entering France. Not for living in it. They're introducing visas for UK tourists et al.

Which is crap, as it'll ruin my yearly skiing holiday, but then there's always Switzerland.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/10 ... quers-plan

“The bill also guarantees the rights of British citizens living in France, who would otherwise immediately become illegal migrants in a no-deal Brexit.”

UK citizens living in France will apparently become illegal immigrants in the event of a hard Brexit without new French legislation, which it seemes like Mr Macron wants the power to go to his government.

[Trumptonium1]

It's much more than that, but it depends who you consider an EU migrant. At most it's just under 4 million. 330k would be probably be the net EU migration of those who came after 2016 -- although the total in 2016 + 2017 was just over 490 000 before subtracting those who left.

But the upper end figure of 4 million also includes pretty silly ideas, like considering people who came before their country joined the EU as "EU migrants" and also people who have settled status. I know of at least one case of a naturalised citizen being labeled as EU migrant for admin purposes (UCAS) so how these contribute to the total figure if at all I don't know, but it's certainly a wishy washy number.



Those are for entering France. Not for living in it. They're introducing visas for UK tourists et al.

Which is crap, as it'll ruin my yearly skiing holiday, but then there's always Switzerland.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/10 ... quers-plan

“The bill also guarantees the rights of British citizens living in France, who would otherwise immediately become illegal migrants in a no-deal Brexit.”

UK citizens living in France will apparently become illegal immigrants in the event of a hard Brexit without new French legislation, which it seemes like Mr Macron wants the power to go to his government.

Again it depends on what status they have. Like in the UK, only a minority of the gigantic 4 million number have no form of legal protection like settled status, leave to remain or outright citizenship. France also exercises a form of 'settlement' status as a prerequisite/alternative to citizenship, and I assume a large proportion of the long-term Brits there have acquired it.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Just when it seemed things couldn't get worse, Mad Cow Disease is back.

Hopefully it remains and isolated case.

Aye, hopefully it will be. Seeing varying reports of contaminated feed etc, but no backing for it so far. Could also be one farmer who was skimping out on cleaning and proper care protocols, if so then he will have caused untold harm to the farming community.

[Trumptonium1]

The Chief Economist of Deutsche Bank, Germany's largest bank, appeared on Bloomberg US and one of his questions was about Britain's economic performance after Brexit.

His comment was:
"Over a 20 year horizon, 30 year horizon, the UK will do just as well or better than the European Union. But the adjustment is going to be painful. It is immature to think this is going to be about 2 or 3 percent of GDP. The European Union is about much more.. a deeper issue than that. We believe that over a longer period - a generational period - the UK is going to come out looking just fine. It has flexibility, it has in its genes to do well [in context of regulatory framework/history that was being talked about earlier], to be innovative. It doesn't have this bureaucratic construct that the Europeans have to struggle with. Most importantly, it has flexible exchange rates. I think this will come out just fine."

He went on to say that a Brexit transition period solves absolutely nothing and is a waste of time, and is adding uncertainty to the UK, European and global markets.

Once again it shows that business - people who have to forecast for higher salary and reputation - believes that Brexit will be fine, and only some businesses are worried about the regulatory framework rather than the UK's ability to survive then thrive outside of the European Union. It is only the public sector and the academia which can spew out crap figures year in year out and get away with it through one hundred percent job security. Once again, not a single business with a macroeconomic research unit has come out to say or back up claims that the UK will suffer lost potential output, let alone a recession or stagnation.

We are over two years into the process and liberals and remainers still cannot quote a single business which specialises in this, other than quoting research and analysis done either by graduate kids in a government office or by people who entered university at 18 and never left.

In a separate comment, Glasenberg said the probability of Glencore - the largest commodity trading firm and one of the largest mining firms - leaving the UK would be 'next to zero,' and even if it did then it wouldn't be going to the EU but to Switzerland.

Why are liberals unable to find any source of doom and gloom outside of the sheltered world of the civil service or the academia?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Why are liberals unable to find any source of doom and gloom outside of the sheltered world of the civil service or the academia?

"But the adjustment is going to be painful."

[Trumptonium1]

Why are liberals unable to find any source of doom and gloom outside of the sheltered world of the civil service or the academia?

"But the adjustment is going to be painful."

He was talking about what the government needs to do. He outright disagreed with any form of stagnation let alone recession. I assume he was referring to a need for the government to restructure the economy utilising its budget. Presumably extra austerity in current spending with more diverted to major capital spending, along with some regulatory changes and higher unemployment or higher inflation, choose one.

Either way your point means nothing - liberals have promised us that we would have a recession and could only ever dream coming back on top of Europe again. Speaks volumes about liberals that they only care about the here and now, unless it's about "cLiMaTe cHaNgE" then it's ok to look at 25 years into the future.

His comments agree with PwC's projections - by 2050 the UK will be closer in size to Germany than France.

Of all major economies in Europe, Britain will be growing 2nd fastest. Over the long term (2021-2050), the UK is projected to grow at an annual average rate of 2%. That's above even Russia at 1.8-2%, above the US at 1.6-1.9%, above Germany at 1.1-1.3% and above the most miserable of all Italy 0.8-1% a year. It's just below Poland at 2.1-2.4%. Again, business isn't scared. Why is the government?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

More Austerity should be a real vote winning slogan for the Tories.

[Trumptonium1]

More Austerity should be a real vote winning slogan for the Tories.

If Mr. "Present but not involved" continues to rule the party of the numerically illiterate and the racists against whites and Jews I think they could promise privatisation of the NHS and still win at this point.

[Vassenor]

More Austerity should be a real vote winning slogan for the Tories.

If they can even find anyone to run.

Conservatives hit by candidate shortage for general election because activists 'demoralised' by Theresa May

The Conservatives have been hit by a shortage of candidates for the next general election because activists are “demoralised” by Theresa May’s leadership and fear defeat, a party insider has revealed.

The number of applications is “down on previous years across the board”, the prime minister has been warned – even as the turmoil at Westminster cuts the odds on a snap poll.

Some branches in target seats have been forced to postpone decisions, despite pressure to get candidates in place early, the executive editor of the ConservativeHome website said.

The warning comes as the Democratic Unionist Party’s threat to pull its backing for the Tories in a bitter clash over Brexit leaves the government’s future in growing doubt.

[The Liberated Territories]

May is just horrible, from what I can tell.

Cameron was tolerable, as someone not coming from the left. He was the bland-tolerable that Jeb Bush evokes in the US. Not your first choice, but not the worst.

But May, eugh.

[Trumptonium1]

More Austerity should be a real vote winning slogan for the Tories.

If they can even find anyone to run.

Conservatives hit by candidate shortage for general election because activists 'demoralised' by Theresa May

The Conservatives have been hit by a shortage of candidates for the next general election because activists are “demoralised” by Theresa May’s leadership and fear defeat, a party insider has revealed.

The number of applications is “down on previous years across the board”, the prime minister has been warned – even as the turmoil at Westminster cuts the odds on a snap poll.

Some branches in target seats have been forced to postpone decisions, despite pressure to get candidates in place early, the executive editor of the ConservativeHome website said.

The warning comes as the Democratic Unionist Party’s threat to pull its backing for the Tories in a bitter clash over Brexit leaves the government’s future in growing doubt.

Is any more reliable outlet reporting this?

[Bakery Hill]

If they can even find anyone to run.

Conservatives hit by candidate shortage for general election because activists 'demoralised' by Theresa May

Is any more reliable outlet reporting this?

Half the article is a paraphrasing from ConservativeHome.com

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetor ... seats.html

[Dooom35796821595]

May is just horrible, from what I can tell.

Cameron was tolerable, as someone not coming from the left. He was the bland-tolerable that Jeb Bush evokes in the US. Not your first choice, but not the worst.

But May, eugh.

May is better in the regard that Cameron packed his bags and fled in terror when the vote didn’t go his way.