UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Hydesland]

Corbz, who may be the next Prime Minister.

Was there an election called?

Don't be obtuse.

[Hirota]

75% of media coverage misrepresents Corbyn

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

Regular Independent contributor finds all the other press are biased and nobody should trust anyone other than the Independent.

Of course we should be cynical, but that cynicism goes both ways Mr Cammaerts.

Having said that, I'm all for a diversity of opinions in the media (especially when it contradicts my own personal biases), but the media doesn't seem quite as interested in doing so. The whole news cycle is dedicated to copying and pasting one another with nary a single original thought amongst the lot of them.

Beyond that, with Corbyn, I don't see him as anti-semetic. I see him sympathetic to Palestinians, but the two are not a binary where you are either for x or y. He could come out a lot stronger in dealing with these accusations (but for all I know he already has, and it's been "omitted" in the press).

His difficulties seem to be in getting rid of these accusations of anti-semitism amongst his supporters, and the perception of divisiveness that results. Makes him look weak, as weak as May trying to hold the Brexiteers and remainers in the tory party in check.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Was there an election called?

Don't be obtuse.

Iffy is acutely sorry, but it's a reflex. That's the angle I'd go with, anyway.

[Ifreann]

Was there an election called?

Don't be obtuse.

Well is there a reason to talk about this instead of stuff happening in uhh 2018? Is there some imminent concern here?

[Vassenor]

Don't be obtuse.

Well is there a reason to talk about this instead of stuff happening in uhh 2018? Is there some imminent concern here?

It's probably the same sort of long-duration character assassination used to keep Hilary from being president.

Plus it gives the right-wing press something to distract the proles from possible bad news about Brexit.

[Hydesland]

Don't be obtuse.

Well is there a reason to talk about this instead of stuff happening in uhh 2018? Is there some imminent concern here?

You're asking if it's appropriate for current news to talk about the current leader of the opposition?

[Hydesland]

Well is there a reason to talk about this instead of stuff happening in uhh 2018? Is there some imminent concern here?

It's probably the same sort of long-duration character assassination used to keep Hilary from being president.

Plus it gives the right-wing press something to distract the proles from possible bad news about Brexit.

Yeah, by criticizing a lifelong euro-septic Brexiteer they're making it harder for him to continue to do nothing to oppose Brexit.

[Vassenor]

It's probably the same sort of long-duration character assassination used to keep Hilary from being president.

Plus it gives the right-wing press something to distract the proles from possible bad news about Brexit.

Yeah, by criticizing a lifelong euro-septic Brexiteer they're making it harder for him to continue to do nothing to oppose Brexit.

I'll take "things no-one said" for $1000, Alex.

[Hydesland]

Yeah, by criticizing a lifelong euro-septic Brexiteer they're making it harder for him to continue to do nothing to oppose Brexit.

I'll take "things no-one said" for $1000, Alex.

The reality is that most of the criticism I've seen has come from other people in the Labour party, especially those in the remain wing - not Tory Brexiteers trying to distract from Brexit.

[Vassenor]

I'll take "things no-one said" for $1000, Alex.

The reality is that most of the criticism I've seen has come from other people in the Labour party, especially those in the remain wing - not Tory Brexiteers trying to distract from Brexit.

And I'm talking about the press, not the politicians. Column inches they can fill talking about how evil and a threat to our national security and stuff he is is column inches they can use hiding the news about how the negotiations are going so they can pretend it's all going swimmingly.

[Ifreann]

Well is there a reason to talk about this instead of stuff happening in uhh 2018? Is there some imminent concern here?

You're asking if it's appropriate for current news to talk about the current leader of the opposition?

I'm asking why we're talking now about what Corbyn was doing in 2014. As far as I'm aware the current news doesn't tend to run stories about random things from Theresa May's past. You know, the current leader of the government and chief Brexit negotiator? Where are the stories about what she was doing in 2014? What cemeteries has she been in?

[Hydesland]

And I'm talking about the press, not the politicians.

I didn't mean politicians, I meant labour party supporters and members.

Column inches they can fill talking about how evil and a threat to our national security and stuff he is is column inches they can use hiding the news about how the negotiations are going so they can pretend it's all going swimmingly.

Okay? But it's not just the right wing press.

[Hydesland]

I'm asking why we're talking now about what Corbyn was doing in 2014.

As far as I'm aware it's because these photos have only just been made public.

As far as I'm aware the current news doesn't tend to run stories about random things from Theresa May's past. You know, the current leader of the government and chief Brexit negotiator? Where are the stories about what she was doing in 2014? What cemeteries has she been in?

Huh? I read stories about May's questionable tenure as Home Sec *all the time*. Around 2016 I was probably seeing stories like this every other week.

[Philjia]

Just because Corbyn is probably getting a disproportionate amount of scrutiny from the press, it doesn't mean that the coverage itself is unfair. Corbyn is a Eurosceptic, and he has associated with some less-than-savoury individuals, and a lot of the people supporting him think that there's some kind of massive Jewish conspiracy.

[Imperializt Russia]

Except by all accounts the first one appears the most accurate, and the last one is just labour party spin?

show me these accounts lol - and by account i mean a primary source or an actual photograph of him placing it there

even the BBC used the word "being present while" or "near", which excludes the first one

Depends on how open one is to describing "the PLO leadership" as "unremittingly terrorist-y and undeserving of memorial".

>continues celebrating Russian, French partisan brigades for their part in defeating the Nazis

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm asking why we're talking now about what Corbyn was doing in 2014.

As far as I'm aware it's because these photos have only just been made public.

I can't imagine why. It was probably public knowledge at the time where he went and why, and there will have been some press coverage, even if 'only' by organisations in Tunisia, or from the Levant.

What makes it """relevant""" is Israel's own man-baby-in-chief crying about it.

[Ifreann]

I'm asking why we're talking now about what Corbyn was doing in 2014.

As far as I'm aware it's because these photos have only just been made public.

According to the Daily Mail the pictures were from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia. I suppose they might have only just uploaded some photos from 2014.

As far as I'm aware the current news doesn't tend to run stories about random things from Theresa May's past. You know, the current leader of the government and chief Brexit negotiator? Where are the stories about what she was doing in 2014? What cemeteries has she been in?

Huh? I read stories about May's questionable tenure as Home Sec *all the time*. Around 2016 I was probably seeing stories like this every other week.

Well yeah, she took power in 2016. Makes sense to analyse the new PM, doesn't it?

[Ifreann]

As far as I'm aware it's because these photos have only just been made public.

I can't imagine why. It was probably public knowledge at the time where he went and why, and there will have been some press coverage, even if 'only' by organisations in Tunisia, or from the Levant.

What makes it """relevant""" is Israel's own man-baby-in-chief crying about it.

Corbyn wrote about the visit himself in the Morning Star. You know, when he got home from it.

[Hydesland]

According to the Daily Mail the pictures were from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia. I suppose they might have only just uploaded some photos from 2014.

Maybe? Or sometimes it takes a while for images to leak out from an obscure spot nobody pays attention to, to the wider public. Additionally, sometimes it takes time for people to realize the significance of images or connect the dots.

Well yeah, she took power in 2016. Makes sense to analyse the new PM, doesn't it?

It makes sense to continually analyse all prospective leaders of the country. There is literally nothing wrong with discussing Corbyn's very recent past.

[Dumb Ideologies]

show me these accounts lol - and by account i mean a primary source or an actual photograph of him placing it there

even the BBC used the word "being present while" or "near", which excludes the first one

Depends on how open one is to describing "the PLO leadership" as "unremittingly terrorist-y and undeserving of memorial".

>continues celebrating Russian, French partisan brigades for their part in defeating the Nazis

Equating resistance to the former with resistance to the latter only really makes sense if you're...

"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis"

I'd like to take a moment to reassure the IHRA that I fully disavow Imperializt Russia's comments and have always believed that he should be removed from the party, salted thoroughly, and then burned at the stake.

Yours pro-Semitically,
Dumb Ideologies

[Hydesland]

I can't imagine why. It was probably public knowledge at the time where he went and why, and there will have been some press coverage, even if 'only' by organisations in Tunisia, or from the Levant.

What makes it """relevant""" is Israel's own man-baby-in-chief crying about it.

Corbyn wrote about the visit himself in the Morning Star. You know, when he got home from it.

You mean when he wrote about the "the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991"? Nobody was killed by Mossad in Paris in 1991, in fact he was almost certainly referring to the Black September members killed in Paris in 1992.

[Ifreann]

According to the Daily Mail the pictures were from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia. I suppose they might have only just uploaded some photos from 2014.

Maybe? Or sometimes it takes a while for images to leak out from an obscure spot nobody pays attention to, to the wider public. Additionally, sometimes it takes time for people to realize the significance of images or connect the dots.

Well yeah, she took power in 2016. Makes sense to analyse the new PM, doesn't it?

It makes sense to continually analyse all prospective leaders of the country. There is literally nothing wrong with discussing Corbyn's very recent past.

Don't find anything odd about the Daily Mail, seemingly apropos of nothing, running yet another story on how Jeremy Corbyn is a Jew hater and terrorist lover?

[Vassenor]

Maybe? Or sometimes it takes a while for images to leak out from an obscure spot nobody pays attention to, to the wider public. Additionally, sometimes it takes time for people to realize the significance of images or connect the dots.



It makes sense to continually analyse all prospective leaders of the country. There is literally nothing wrong with discussing Corbyn's very recent past.

Don't find anything odd about the Daily Mail, seemingly apropos of nothing, running yet another story on how Jeremy Corbyn is a Jew hater and terrorist lover?

Especially when it's happening at the same time as Boris' Islamophobia is leaking everywhere.

[Imperializt Russia]

Don't find anything odd about the Daily Mail, seemingly apropos of nothing, running yet another story on how Jeremy Corbyn is a Jew hater and terrorist lover?

Especially when it's happening at the same time as Boris' Islamophobia is leaking everywhere.

"It is my opinion that there is not nearly enough Islamophobia in the Tory Party"

Rod Little, writing in the Spectator.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Especially when it's happening at the same time as Boris' Islamophobia is leaking everywhere.

"It is my opinion that there is not nearly enough Islamophobia in the Tory Party"

Rod Little, writing in the Spectator.

He's wrong, of course. Islam is very compatible with the radical fringes of Tory social conservatism. The attitudes wrongly derided as "Islamophobic" by the diversity advocates are actually a much better fit for a sensible left cleansed of the loony framework of incompatible alliances. Alas, those prime box-seats are used for such inadequate spectating.