UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Yes, but it is the only way to actually get Parliament to maybe agree on anything.

Or, you know implement a free, preferential vote.
Idea that parliament can't agree on anything is bull while May controls agenda of the parliament and refuses to put alternatives to actual vote.

But we had a vote, you lost it. We don't have time to give you a second go now.

[The Blaatschapen]

Or, you know implement a free, preferential vote.
Idea that parliament can't agree on anything is bull while May controls agenda of the parliament and refuses to put alternatives to actual vote.

But we had a vote, you lost it. We don't have time to give you a second go now.

Convenient.

[Vassenor]

Or, you know implement a free, preferential vote.
Idea that parliament can't agree on anything is bull while May controls agenda of the parliament and refuses to put alternatives to actual vote.

But we had a vote, you lost it. We don't have time to give you a second go now.

Yes, we already know May is trying to run down the clock to force people to agree with what she wants.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Tusk is saying that it's clear no option has a majority in the UK parliament, so extending Article 50 would be the rational solution.

[Vassenor]

Tusk is saying that it's clear no option has a majority in the UK parliament, so extending Article 50 would be the rational solution.

But I thought everyone in the country was supposed to be 100% behind No Deal.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Tusk is saying that it's clear no option has a majority in the UK parliament, so extending Article 50 would be the rational solution.

But I thought everyone in the country was supposed to be 100% behind No Deal.

Nah, it's only Trumptonium.

[Novus America]

Yes, but it is the only way to actually get Parliament to maybe agree on anything.

Or, you know implement a free, preferential vote.
Idea that parliament can't agree on anything is bull while May controls agenda of the parliament and refuses to put alternatives to actual vote.

If Parliament actually agrees they can override May, or remove her entirely.
She does not have dictatorial powers. If Parliament can agree on a better idea they are welcome to do so.

[Dumb Ideologies]

But I thought everyone in the country was supposed to be 100% behind No Deal.

Nah, it's only Trumptonium.

Not any more. Didn't you see the changes to the service agreement? When you get deleted on NSG, you get deleted in real life.

[Ifreann]

Nah, it's only Trumptonium.

Not any more. Didn't you see the changes to the service agreement? When you get deleted on NSG, you get deleted in real life.

Ironically, too much NSG also deletes your real life.

[The Blaatschapen]

Nah, it's only Trumptonium.

Not any more. Didn't you see the changes to the service agreement? When you get deleted on NSG, you get deleted in real life.

One of the scariest moments was when mods self-deleted and then revived themselves as well (mod science).

But it was great for tax reasons.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Not any more. Didn't you see the changes to the service agreement? When you get deleted on NSG, you get deleted in real life.

Ironically, too much NSG also deletes your real life.

Ah, that's what did it. Can't tell you how liberating it is to know that my sparkling and thoroughly sunny disposition is not to blame.

[Juristonia]

Or, you know implement a free, preferential vote.
Idea that parliament can't agree on anything is bull while May controls agenda of the parliament and refuses to put alternatives to actual vote.

If Parliament actually agrees they can override May, or remove her entirely.
She does not have dictatorial powers. If Parliament can agree on a better idea they are welcome to do so.

But they can't, so send it back to the public.

[Novus America]

If Parliament actually agrees they can override May, or remove her entirely.
She does not have dictatorial powers. If Parliament can agree on a better idea they are welcome to do so.

But they can't, so send it back to the public.

So we can just prolong this mess even longer?
What is needed now is not more delays, the delays and fights are devastating the UK.

What is needed is some clear plan. Any plan is better than no plan.
It can and will be changed latter. Subsequent elections and new governments can still change the plan or take a different course latter.

[Souseiseki]

But I thought everyone in the country was supposed to be 100% behind No Deal.

Nah, it's only Trumptonium.

he actually supports a "managed no deal", which means securing a deal regarding basic necessities and transport, which means there's a deal, which means it isn't no deal

it's such a bad idea that even its most ardent supporters think it's a bad idea and don't actually want it

it's stunning

[The Blaatschapen]

Ironically, too much NSG also deletes your real life.

Ah, that's what did it. Can't tell you how liberating it is to know that my sparkling and thoroughly sunny disposition is not to blame.

Stop stealing my disposition

[Juristonia]

But they can't, so send it back to the public.

So we can just prolong this mess even longer?
What is needed now is not more delays, the delays and fights are devastating the UK.

What is needed is some clear plan. Any plan is better than no plan.
It can and will be changed latter. Subsequent elections and new governments can still change the plan or take a different course latter.

Prolonging a mess in return for a resolution of said mess is better than just making an even bigger mess right now.

The constant narrative that plans can just be changed later and so everyone should just support this really bad one is one that never ceases to amaze me.
There will be no changing. There's not going to be any more negotiating. You're not going to somehow make a bad plan good later because reasons, or something.
What's on the table right now is all you're going to get from the EU. Period. They've said so. Many, many times. Before the referendum, during the referendum and after the referendum.
There is no better deal to get.

It is not going to get any better under the current options May keeps pursuing, and since no one can agree on another plan, sending it back to the public is the least idiotic option available.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Ah, that's what did it. Can't tell you how liberating it is to know that my sparkling and thoroughly sunny disposition is not to blame.

Stop stealing my disposition

I am not disposed to the returning of such precious ill-gotten gains.

[Novus America]

So we can just prolong this mess even longer?
What is needed now is not more delays, the delays and fights are devastating the UK.

What is needed is some clear plan. Any plan is better than no plan.
It can and will be changed latter. Subsequent elections and new governments can still change the plan or take a different course latter.

Prolonging a mess in return for a resolution of said mess is better than just making an even bigger mess right now.

The constant narrative that plans can just be changed later and so everyone should just support this really bad one is one that never ceases to amaze me.
There will be no changing. There's not going to be any more negotiating. You're not going to somehow make a bad plan good later because reasons, or something.
What's on the table right now is all you're going to get from the EU. Period. They've said so. Many, many times. Before the referendum, during the referendum and after the referendum.
There is no better deal to get.

It is not going to get any better under the current options May keeps pursuing, and since no one can agree on another plan, sending it back to the public is the least idiotic option available.

You could always go with a hard Brexit, trying to rejoin latter, doing a Norway style thing latter.
Yes this is the only deal you are getting right now.

But there are still things that can be done latter.
Also the EU leadership is changing. Once Junker and Co are gone new options open up.

And no, sending it back to referendum will just result in more uncertainty and delays, more fighting, more outside influence, and it is unlikely to produce a single decisive outcome if more than one option is on the table.
Just getting Parliament to agree on the questions and wording is impossible.

[Philjia]

Hezbollah's political arm has been designated as a terrorist organisation by the government, in line with it's military wing. Bit weird that they hadn't already, really.

[Juristonia]

You could always go with a hard Brexit, trying to rejoin latter, doing a Norway style thing latter.
Yes this is the only deal you are getting right now.

But there are still things that can be done latter.
Also the EU leadership is changing. Once Junker and Co are gone new options open up.

And no, sending it back to referendum will just result in more uncertainty and delays, more fighting, more outside influence, and it is unlikely to produce a single decisive outcome if more than one option is on the table.
Just getting Parliament to agree on the questions and wording is impossible.

Shooting yourself in the foot in the hope you can unshoot yourself later and probably having more EU involvement than you do now is idiotic and not a strategy.
And the Norway model has already been ruled out.

No, there aren't.
The EU has told you you can't. Whoever happens to be the leader at the time doesn't matter. The whole bunch have told you no, over and over again and people like you refuse to listen.
You're expecting some kind of magical change of heart without even the slightest indication from anyone involved that that's even remotely likely to happen.
No means no, dude. She's just not that in to you.

Short term uncertainties and delays with ultimately an outcome > undeniable disaster on pretty much every front.
The questioning would be piss easy, considering, as you yourself said, there aren't that many options.
a. No deal
B. May deal
C. Revoke article 50

[Cupofchar]

This seems to have turned into a remainers love in. We had a vote - the result was out.

Article 50 was instigated- May did a botch job on the negotions(admittedly)- but regardless of that, we should still withdraw on the set date.

Then, and only then, may the the Euro lot be tempted into coming up with a compromise so they can get their grubby little hands on some shekels.

[Novus America]

You could always go with a hard Brexit, trying to rejoin latter, doing a Norway style thing latter.
Yes this is the only deal you are getting right now.

But there are still things that can be done latter.
Also the EU leadership is changing. Once Junker and Co are gone new options open up.

And no, sending it back to referendum will just result in more uncertainty and delays, more fighting, more outside influence, and it is unlikely to produce a single decisive outcome if more than one option is on the table.
Just getting Parliament to agree on the questions and wording is impossible.

Shooting yourself in the foot in the hope you can unshoot yourself later and probably having more EU involvement than you do now is idiotic and not a strategy.
And the Norway model has already been ruled out.

No, there aren't.
The EU has told you you can't. Whoever happens to be the leader at the time doesn't matter. The whole bunch have told you no, over and over again and people like you refuse to listen.
You're expecting some kind of magical change of heart without even the slightest indication from anyone involved that that's even remotely likely to happen.
No means no, dude. She's just not that in to you.

Short term uncertainties and delays with ultimately an outcome > undeniable disaster on pretty much every front.
The questioning would be piss easy, considering, as you yourself said, there aren't that many options.
a. No deal
B. May deal
C. Revoke article 50

The EU is not nearly as united as you make it out to be. Things change.
Different factions in the EU disagree you know. The next EU parliamentary elections are going to likely result in a massive change.

And also this deal will not be that bad.
It will finally bring some stability.
It is the best option right now.

Three options like results in none actually getting 50%.
Plus throw in Russian trolls, other irregularities, deceptive tactics from both sides, the referendum being non binding... yeah.
Not going to work.

Tell me, also has a majority of Parliament agreed on your ballot format?

[Ifreann]

This seems to have turned into a remainers love in. We had a vote - the result was out.

Article 50 was instigated- May did a botch job on the negotions(admittedly)- but regardless of that, we should still withdraw on the set date.

Then, and only then, may the the Euro lot be tempted into coming up with a compromise so they can get their grubby little hands on some shekels.

We already have compromised. We made a deal. The problem is that Brexiteers can't agree on anything.

[Philjia]

Then, and only then, may the the Euro lot be tempted into coming up with a compromise so they can get their grubby little hands on some shekels.

Lovely antisemitism. You're not even trying to hide it.

[Vassenor]

This seems to have turned into a remainers love in. We had a vote - the result was out.

Article 50 was instigated- May did a botch job on the negotions(admittedly)- but regardless of that, we should still withdraw on the set date.

Then, and only then, may the the Euro lot be tempted into coming up with a compromise so they can get their grubby little hands on some shekels.

Or more likely they just wash their hands of the whole matter and leave us to the wolves.