UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Dumb Ideologies]

Ian Austin has tweeted that he has resigned from the Labour Party, but not to join the Independent Group.

I hope he forms a rival splinter group called the Maverick Melangerie.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

British politics is having a Life of Brian moment.

[The Free Joy State]

British politics is having a Life of Brian moment.

So, the nation has to be staked out and dying in the sun before there's a semi-optimistic ending?

(de-dum, de-dum de-dum de-dum)

[Vassenor]

British politics is having a Life of Brian moment.

SPLITTERS!

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

British politics is having a Life of Brian moment.

Waiting for the aliens to scop Britain up just before it hits the ground on the 29th.

[Hirota]

British politics is having a Life of Brian moment.

Not quite.

I'm not sure all the parties involved are that interested in liberation for the people of Judea.

[Dumb Ideologies]

British politics is having a Life of Brian moment.

Waiting for the aliens to scop Britain up just before it hits the ground on the 29th.

May's real Brexit plan finally revealed!

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Waiting for the aliens to scop Britain up just before it hits the ground on the 29th.

May's real Brexit plan finally revealed!

[Vassenor]

Labour anti-Semitism claims: Jewish group backs Corbyn

A network of Jewish Labour members has backed Jeremy Corbyn over claims the party has become "institutionally anti-Semitic" under his leadership.

Some 200 Labour supporters signed a Jewish Voice for Labour letter calling Mr Corbyn's party a "crucial ally in the fight against bigotry".

Anti-Semitism on the left is "abhorrent but relatively rare", it argues.

The Board of Deputies of British Jews said the view ran "counter to the experiences of Jewish Labour members".

...but that doesn't gel with the narrative so it must all be lies.

[The Blaatschapen]

Dammit, I can't make jokes anymore.

The script writes itself nowadays.

[Risottia]

British politics is having a Life of Brian moment.

As in "What has Europe ever done for us?"

[The Blaatschapen]

British politics is having a Life of Brian moment.

As in "What has Europe ever done for us?"

Apparently we kept Britain strong and stable.

[Novus America]

Labour anti-Semitism claims: Jewish group backs Corbyn

A network of Jewish Labour members has backed Jeremy Corbyn over claims the party has become "institutionally anti-Semitic" under his leadership.

Some 200 Labour supporters signed a Jewish Voice for Labour letter calling Mr Corbyn's party a "crucial ally in the fight against bigotry".

Anti-Semitism on the left is "abhorrent but relatively rare", it argues.

The Board of Deputies of British Jews said the view ran "counter to the experiences of Jewish Labour members".

...but that doesn't gel with the narrative so it must all be lies.

Obviously not every Jewish person in the UK opposes Corbyn, but some 85% do.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/more ... c-1.469654
A tiny number of Jews who disagree does not change that fact.
Obviously not all Jews agree 100% on everything.

[Vassenor]

Labour anti-Semitism claims: Jewish group backs Corbyn



...but that doesn't gel with the narrative so it must all be lies.

Obviously not every Jewish person in the UK opposes Corbyn, but some 85% do.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/more ... c-1.469654
A tiny number of Jews who disagree does not change that fact.
Obviously not all Jews agree 100% on everything.

And what examples of his conduct do they cite?

[Novus America]

Obviously not every Jewish person in the UK opposes Corbyn, but some 85% do.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/more ... c-1.469654
A tiny number of Jews who disagree does not change that fact.
Obviously not all Jews agree 100% on everything.

And what examples of his conduct do they cite?

This article?
“In July, photos of Mr Corbyn surfaced from a 2014 event in Tunis, where he laid a wreath commemorating the terrorists behind the Munich massacre of the Israeli Olympic team in 1972. In August, a video emerged of him speaking at a 2013 event, during which he said of British “Zionists”.

“They clearly have two problems. One is they don’t want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either.””

Anyways it is not required to cite which specific incidents of the vast litany has pushed 85% away from Labour to say based on all data we have, a very large majority of British Jews oppose Corbyn.

Are you not willing to admit Corbyn has some serious issues whith his tendency to be seen hanging out with and speaking of support for anti Semitic terror groups?

I personally am not convinced Corbyn is intentionally anti Semitic but he certainly is a useful idiot for anti Semitic terror groups and regimes.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The vast majority of the initial anti-Semitism allegations were a product of extreme reactions by prominent organisations in the community - which, yes, have links to the state of Israel - over Israeli policy. The hardening of attitudes and outright hostility have become widespread during the "second wave" of the controversy, where people became frustrated by the allegations constantly being kept on the agenda as some community leaders enjoyed very receptive ears in the anti-Corbyn media.

It's that constant ongoing buzz that has radicalised both the community and many of the Momentum lot into outright hostility. The whole thing is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's annoying, but understandable. If your people had been routinely persecuted for more than a thousand years, and you have family and friends over in a state established for your people, surrounded by enemies who question its right to exist, you'd probably jump down people's throats at the slightest negative insinuation too.

Neither side believes remotely in the goodwill of the other and the anti-Corbyn media will jump on anything that keeps it going. At this point it's an unstoppable bandwagon of a story with far too much momentum (you're fired - Ed.) for Jezza to have any hope of stopping it.

[Novus America]

The vast majority of the initial anti-Semitism allegations were a product of extreme reactions by prominent organisations in the community - which, yes, have links to the state of Israel - over Israeli policy. The hardening of attitudes and outright hostility have become widespread during the "second wave" of the controversy, where people became frustrated by the allegations constantly being kept on the agenda as some community leaders enjoyed very receptive ears in the anti-Corbyn media.

It's that constant ongoing buzz that has radicalised both the community and many of the Momentum lot into outright hostility. The whole thing is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's annoying, but understandable. If your people had been routinely persecuted for more than a thousand years, and you have family and friends over in a state established for your people, surrounded by enemies who question its right to exist, you'd probably jump down people's throats at the slightest inclination too.

Neither side believes remotely in the goodwill of the other and the anti-Corbyn media will jump on anything that keeps it going. At this point it's an unstoppable bandwagon of the story with far too much momentum (you're fired - Ed.) for Jezza to have any hope of stopping it.

Nobody forced Corbyn to call Hezbollah and Hamas friends, to show up a ceremony celebrating murder if Jews though. Obviously the anti Corbyn types have taken those things and run with them, but this is politics. Do something stupid and the other side will obviously use it to bludgeon you, but you still did it.

Sure at this point there is no way for him to undo the damage, but it was largely self inflicted.

Corbyn is simply damaged goods.
His anti Semitic image problem cannot be fully repaired, but Corbyn can be replaced with someone not having done those things.

[Salandriagado]

Why would you put university society applications to a public vote?

The student union absolutely should NOT have the power to ban groups they do not like.

Student Unions should absolutely have the right to decide who gets Student-Union funding.

[Novus America]

The student union absolutely should NOT have the power to ban groups they do not like.

Student Unions should absolutely have the right to decide who gets Student-Union funding.

And who funds the student union?
If the funding comes exclusively from voluntary member contributions, okay.
But if it comes from other sources it is a horrible way to distribute funds.

[Ifreann]

Are we pretending that SU politics matter? That's always fun.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Are we pretending that SU politics matter? That's always fun.

Against the power that rises in the Students Unions there can be no victory.

[Ifreann]

Are we pretending that SU politics matter? That's always fun.

Against the power that rises in the Students Unions there can be no victory.

It's true. My old SU decided not to stock Coca Cola products in their shops, and the ban was so powerful that a bottle of coke would evaporate out of your hands if you brought it on campus.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The vast majority of the initial anti-Semitism allegations were a product of extreme reactions by prominent organisations in the community - which, yes, have links to the state of Israel - over Israeli policy. The hardening of attitudes and outright hostility have become widespread during the "second wave" of the controversy, where people became frustrated by the allegations constantly being kept on the agenda as some community leaders enjoyed very receptive ears in the anti-Corbyn media.

It's that constant ongoing buzz that has radicalised both the community and many of the Momentum lot into outright hostility. The whole thing is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's annoying, but understandable. If your people had been routinely persecuted for more than a thousand years, and you have family and friends over in a state established for your people, surrounded by enemies who question its right to exist, you'd probably jump down people's throats at the slightest inclination too.

Neither side believes remotely in the goodwill of the other and the anti-Corbyn media will jump on anything that keeps it going. At this point it's an unstoppable bandwagon of the story with far too much momentum (you're fired - Ed.) for Jezza to have any hope of stopping it.

Nobody forced Corbyn to call Hezbollah and Hamas friends, to show up a ceremony celebrating murder if Jews though. Obviously the anti Corbyn types have taken those things and run with them, but this is politics. Do something stupid and the other side will obviously use it to bludgeon you, but you still did it.

Sure at this point there is no way for him to undo the damage, but it was largely self inflicted.

Corbyn is simply damaged goods.
His anti Semitic image problem cannot be fully repaired, but Corbyn can be replaced with someone not having done those things.

True to an extent, but it's a touch more complicated than that. Although I disagree with his stance on Israel, there's a bit more grey here than is generally acknowledged. His earlier comments are in the capacity of a fairly obscure backbencher, talking positively about hosts or fellow speakers at events whose context was generally the pursuit of a state for the Palestinians. If you're campaigning in that context it's impossible to avoid ever sharing a stage with people who are liable to say nasty things about Jews, because many Palestinians are going to be rather salty about that whole loss of clay/sand/whatever.

A proclamation of friendship in that capacity is subtly different to a wholesale endorsement of their entire program, terrorism included, declaring them besties and pinky-swearing to use any future leadership position to provide them with material and political aid.

There is also the problem that the current mass movement was largely inspired by Corbyn's ascension to leader and that he enjoys some personal loyalty. It's not a case of just replacing him and problem solved - kick him out and many people leave with him. There's no easy solution, and the current approach of constantly pretending to be dealing with the undealable might still be better than a wholesale split.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Are we pretending that SU politics matter? That's always fun.

The All Powerful Student Council has disinvited you from the Cultural Festival and any future class trips to the beach/hot springs.

[Ifreann]

Are we pretending that SU politics matter? That's always fun.

The All Powerful Student Council has disinvited you from the Cultural Festival and any future class trips to the beach/hot springs.

Good, that beach was always getting attacked by tentacle monsters.