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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
126
16%
Labour
229
30%
Liberal Democrats
130
17%
Greens
39
5%
UKIP
135
18%
SNP
26
3%
Plaid Cymru
7
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
27
4%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
35
5%
 
Total votes : 766


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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:28 am

The UK has recorded the largest monthly budget surplus in history at 14.9 billion, strongly above the 9.9 billion that was a "consensus" among economists and treasury analysts.

This means year-to-year borrowing is now 21 billion and is set to be that way until April's budget statement, beating the doommonger Brexit re-forecasts/target of a 26 billion budget deficit for the financial year.

Capital gains tax increased by over 20% in a single year despite a slowdown in house prices and equity growth. Borrowing is now at its lowest since 2001, when Labour randomly decided to end Britain's budget surplus and send it down a spiral of gigantic deficits in the 7 years preceding the financial crisis against all economic widsom, exacerbating the crisis and causing public services cuts to be bigger than they'd have to be.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:29 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:The UK has recorded the largest monthly budget surplus in history at 14.9 billion, strongly above the 9.9 billion that was a "consensus" among economists and treasury analysts.

This means year-to-year borrowing is now 21 billion and is set to be that way until April's budget statement, beating the doommonger Brexit re-forecasts/target of a 26 billion budget deficit for the financial year.

Capital gains tax increased by over 20% in a single year despite a slowdown in house prices and equity growth. Borrowing is now at its lowest since 2001, when Labour randomly decided to end Britain's budget surplus and send it down a spiral of gigantic deficits in the 7 years preceding the financial crisis against all economic widsom, exacerbating the crisis and causing public services cuts to be bigger than they'd have to be.

https://www.ft.com/content/989ad7cc-35b ... 459962a812


Reminder that Brexit hasn't happened yet, so leave that emotive language at the door.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:43 am

Vassenor wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:The UK has recorded the largest monthly budget surplus in history at 14.9 billion, strongly above the 9.9 billion that was a "consensus" among economists and treasury analysts.

This means year-to-year borrowing is now 21 billion and is set to be that way until April's budget statement, beating the doommonger Brexit re-forecasts/target of a 26 billion budget deficit for the financial year.

Capital gains tax increased by over 20% in a single year despite a slowdown in house prices and equity growth. Borrowing is now at its lowest since 2001, when Labour randomly decided to end Britain's budget surplus and send it down a spiral of gigantic deficits in the 7 years preceding the financial crisis against all economic widsom, exacerbating the crisis and causing public services cuts to be bigger than they'd have to be.

https://www.ft.com/content/989ad7cc-35b ... 459962a812


Reminder that Brexit hasn't happened yet, so leave that emotive language at the door.


My bad, you're right. Thanks for reminding me all these crappy companies like Airbus and Nissan are leaving thanks to the EU. Even more reason for us to leave on time.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:44 am

Vassenor wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:The UK has recorded the largest monthly budget surplus in history at 14.9 billion, strongly above the 9.9 billion that was a "consensus" among economists and treasury analysts.

This means year-to-year borrowing is now 21 billion and is set to be that way until April's budget statement, beating the doommonger Brexit re-forecasts/target of a 26 billion budget deficit for the financial year.

Capital gains tax increased by over 20% in a single year despite a slowdown in house prices and equity growth. Borrowing is now at its lowest since 2001, when Labour randomly decided to end Britain's budget surplus and send it down a spiral of gigantic deficits in the 7 years preceding the financial crisis against all economic widsom, exacerbating the crisis and causing public services cuts to be bigger than they'd have to be.

https://www.ft.com/content/989ad7cc-35b ... 459962a812


Reminder that Brexit hasn't happened yet, so leave that emotive language at the door.


You can't have it both ways.

Anything negative in the economy is due to looming brexit, but anything positive "Brexit hasn't happened yet.".

It's either all nothing to do with Brexit, or all to do with Brexit.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:53 am


As far as I'm aware, there's no known list of all the ERG members.

Here's his voting record.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:04 am

Jeremy Corbyn goes on live TV to say that Begum is British and should be let in and "given our full support" on return.

This will go down well in the voting polls I bet.
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Postby Philjia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:57 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:Jeremy Corbyn goes on live TV to say that Begum is British and should be let in and "given our full support" on return.

This will go down well in the voting polls I bet.

Wrong angle, should have emphasised that its unfair to foist her on the Bangladeshis since she's never lived there.
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Postby Juristonia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:11 am

Might not be a popular move, but it's the right one.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:40 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
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Why should have Soubry have been deselected, anyway? I mean, now the question is strictly a hypothetical one since she left the Conservative Party of her own accord, but what about Philip Davies with the horrendously sexist statements he has repeatedly made. I am pretty sure that is a far bigger problem than someone supporting the EU, whatever its flaws.


Because she's voting to remain in the EU at every step, while her constituency was heavily slanted towards leaving. Soft Brexit Tory Mps aren't suffering the same fate, because they're at least respecting the manifesto they stood on by words if not spirit.


Are you talking about the "Re-leavers" in particular? Because I could understand their desire to respect the results of the referendum, especially right after the referendum took place. On the other hand, since it has become increasingly clear that no satisfactory Brexit deal is likely, I have been increasingly leaning towards just revoking article 50 and remaining in the EU. Another sensible option would have been to accept May's Brexit deal as a reasonable compromise that would honor the will of the voters while avoiding the catastrophe of a no-deal Brexit, but unfortunately that failed. If Soubry opposed May's Brexit deal, then I would certainly have a problem with that stance, but if they deselected every Conservative MP who opposed May's deal, then about half or so of the Conservative MPs would be deselected, right? It would be a complete mess.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:04 pm

Philjia wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:Jeremy Corbyn goes on live TV to say that Begum is British and should be let in and "given our full support" on return.

This will go down well in the voting polls I bet.

Wrong angle, should have emphasised that its unfair to foist her on the Bangladeshis since she's never lived there.


Doesn't matter. Words matter. He went on live TV and told everybody that he thinks she should be given, and I quote "our full support"

I'm very interested what this will do to polls next week. Because so far opinion polls show 78% of the public support depriving her of citizenship even if doing so would render he stateless and explicitly be against international law. This is not some sort of fringe or extremist view. The extremists are the 15% who think she should be able to come to the UK, of which even fewer extremists think she should be offered rehabilitation/legal aid, of which even fewer extremists think she should walk free. In Northern Labour heartlands, that figure is 84% of the public thinking she should rot the fuck away from Britain.

So far the response has been completely unsupportive. Left-wing ODN amateur outlet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIjUVFaMVaY
Even the comments on The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... e#comments
Comments on ITV News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMFTjKgAWfg
Socially liberal Evening Standard wasn't impressed: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sham ... 73081.html
He somehow even managed to piss off the Liverpool Echo: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... e-15865680

Although people on here are right-wing, there do appear to be several left-wingers in here, even the insufferable FBPE lot: https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1098564462620168192
https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/sta ... 3814668288
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:08 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
Because she's voting to remain in the EU at every step, while her constituency was heavily slanted towards leaving. Soft Brexit Tory Mps aren't suffering the same fate, because they're at least respecting the manifesto they stood on by words if not spirit.


Are you talking about the "Re-leavers" in particular? Because I could understand their desire to respect the results of the referendum, especially right after the referendum took place. On the other hand, since it has become increasingly clear that no satisfactory Brexit deal is likely, I have been increasingly leaning towards just revoking article 50 and remaining in the EU. Another sensible option would have been to accept May's Brexit deal as a reasonable compromise that would honor the will of the voters while avoiding the catastrophe of a no-deal Brexit, but unfortunately that failed. If Soubry opposed May's Brexit deal, then I would certainly have a problem with that stance, but if they deselected every Conservative MP who opposed May's deal, then about half or so of the Conservative MPs would be deselected, right? It would be a complete mess.


They're not deselecting MPs who don't support May's Deal, they're deselecting MPs who do not support leaving the EU at all. There's about 15 or so of them in the Conservative Party and half, the three included, are undergoing some step in the deselection process.

Not sure what you mean by releavers. Conservative voters are pro no-deal (by a slim majority) and Conservative party members are pro no-deal by a large majority. The amount of people who voted Remain but would vote Leave is roughly equal to the reverse.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:56 pm

So I've been watching Love Island lately. Great stuff!
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Postby Crylante » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:25 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:So I've been watching Love Island lately. Great stuff!

Is that related to our politics?

I mean I guess it's a commentary that our society is willing to watch dimwitted minor celebrities fuck each other on national television.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:35 pm

Brexit: Japan trade deal will not be ready by deadline

...But I thought everyone was supposed to be falling over each other to have the best trade deals ready for us to start on March 30th. :eyebrow:
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Postby Battlion » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:42 pm

Vassenor wrote:Brexit: Japan trade deal will not be ready by deadline

...But I thought everyone was supposed to be falling over each other to have the best trade deals ready for us to start on March 30th. :eyebrow:


Super easy business this

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:15 pm

The University of Essex student union have overwhelmingly voted against creating a Jewish Society at the university, spearheaded by a Holocaust-denying lecturer in computer science.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:20 pm

Crylante wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:So I've been watching Love Island lately. Great stuff!

Is that related to our politics?

I mean I guess it's a commentary that our society is willing to watch dimwitted minor celebrities fuck each other on national television.


Hayley Hughes is hot tho
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Postby Novus America » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:01 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:The University of Essex student union have overwhelmingly voted against creating a Jewish Society at the university, spearheaded by a Holocaust-denying lecturer in computer science.

(Image)

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-n ... ex-2570858
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2019-02 ... -proposal/


10 bucks says the majority are Corbyn supporters too.

Unfortunately Jews will probably be eventually forced to leave the UK at the way things are going.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:18 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:The University of Essex student union have overwhelmingly voted against creating a Jewish Society at the university, spearheaded by a Holocaust-denying lecturer in computer science.

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https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-n ... ex-2570858
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2019-02 ... -proposal/

Why would you put university society applications to a public vote?

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Postby Novus America » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:22 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:The University of Essex student union have overwhelmingly voted against creating a Jewish Society at the university, spearheaded by a Holocaust-denying lecturer in computer science.

(Image)

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-n ... ex-2570858
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2019-02 ... -proposal/

Why would you put university society applications to a public vote?


The student union absolutely should NOT have the power to ban groups they do not like.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:22 pm

Apparently some European companies are starting to refuse orders on the basis they don't know whether or how they can fulfil those orders given their delivery date is post-March 29th.

God this is all such a shitshow, a country committing seppuku.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:08 am

Ian Austin has tweeted that he has resigned from the Labour Party, but not to join the Independent Group.

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