UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Crylante]

I don't really think this "Independent Group" is going to go very far at all; I don't really feel there's an appetite for the policies they'd advocate and thus I don't expect much to come of them.

But two and a half years ago I didn't think Brexit would end up meaning leaving the single market, so eh.

[Souseiseki]

chuka umunna, sitting in his private rich boys club, thinking about how he can't wait to overthrow the inhuman system of capitalism and rotten political structure of the united kingdom that has kept the english people shackled in "enlightened" servitude for centuries. today is the day. will he be the hero of the socialist revolution that brings back true freedom to these isles, or will he go down as just yet another fool slain by children of the normans? only time will tell. he takes a jar of freshly pressed jam from his coat pocket and smashes it to the ground. there is a moment of hesitation and confusion from onlookers, but one by one their eyes widen as the realization sinks in. the rubicon has been passed, the die is cast. jeremy will feel his wrath tonight.

[Trumptonium1]

Yes

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I don't really think this "Independent Group" is going to go very far at all; I don't really feel there's an appetite for the policies they'd advocate and thus I don't expect much to come of them.

But two and a half years ago I didn't think Brexit would end up meaning leaving the single market, so eh.

There's no market for FBPE loons?

There's like at least 5 million of them, annoyed with Corbyn not declaring Brexit a national tragedy yet. Labour is more loose of a broad church than the Conservatives. Labour's socialist wing died in the 1970s, and the party was only revived because it got turned into a bland centrist party. The only way Labour can win is to get the bland centrists on their side.

[Novus America]

I don't really think this "Independent Group" is going to go very far at all; I don't really feel there's an appetite for the policies they'd advocate and thus I don't expect much to come of them.

But two and a half years ago I didn't think Brexit would end up meaning leaving the single market, so eh.

Why do they not just join the LibDems?
It is an already established, center left, Europhile party.

[Valrifell]

I don't really think this "Independent Group" is going to go very far at all; I don't really feel there's an appetite for the policies they'd advocate and thus I don't expect much to come of them.

But two and a half years ago I didn't think Brexit would end up meaning leaving the single market, so eh.

Why do they not just join the LibDems?
It is an already established, center left, Europhile party.

Apparently they're structuring this as a corporate entity to rake in ducats, so there's that.

[Caracasus]

I don't really think this "Independent Group" is going to go very far at all; I don't really feel there's an appetite for the policies they'd advocate and thus I don't expect much to come of them.

But two and a half years ago I didn't think Brexit would end up meaning leaving the single market, so eh.

Well they're a registered company and not a party so they don't have to reveal donations. They also haven't been elected under their new party and have rejected calls for byeelections.

So far they are very independent of the usual democratic processes indeed.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I don't really think this "Independent Group" is going to go very far at all; I don't really feel there's an appetite for the policies they'd advocate and thus I don't expect much to come of them.

But two and a half years ago I didn't think Brexit would end up meaning leaving the single market, so eh.

Why do they not just join the LibDems?
It is an already established, center left, Europhile party.

I think Chuka is quite ambitious and wants to lead a party.

[Caracasus]

Why do they not just join the LibDems?
It is an already established, center left, Europhile party.

I think Chuka is quite ambitious and wants to lead a party.

Kind of like a monkey's paw cursed wish thing really then. Sure, you get to lead a political party, but...

[The Blaatschapen]

Isn't Ress-Mogg's constituency largely for remaining in the EU?

He represents an eighteenth century rotten borough, none of his peasants have the right to vote, and the detailed and nuanced opinions of his grazing animals on twenty-first century politics are sadly lost in translation.

Hey now!

I am not typing that unintelligible!

[Chan Island]

He represents an eighteenth century rotten borough, none of his peasants have the right to vote, and the detailed and nuanced opinions of his grazing animals on twenty-first century politics are sadly lost in translation.

Hey now!

I am not typing that unintelligible!

Yeah, but you're not having to type that under the overbearing, depressing reality of living in Jacob Rees-Mogg's constituency. That sort of weight is enough to strain even the most erudite sheep.

[Hirota]

Isn't Ress-Mogg's constituency largely for remaining in the EU?

If MPs actually representing their constituencies wishes is now a thing that we expect them to do, then there are a lot of MPs not doing their job - roughly 75% of Tory constituencies voted leave, and roughly 60% of labour.

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majorit ... eferendum/

Or you know, we can carry on picking on one insufferable MP who isn't representing his constituents whilst ignoring the others out of self serving convenience.

[Chan Island]

Isn't Ress-Mogg's constituency largely for remaining in the EU?

If MPs actually representing their constituencies wishes is now a thing that we expect them to do, then there are a lot of MPs not doing their job - roughly 75% of Tory constituencies voted leave, and roughly 60% of labour.

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majorit ... eferendum/

To make it more confusing though, a large number of constituencies that voted for Brexit, according to polling, would vote to remain nowadays.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5793961

[Hirota]

If MPs actually representing their constituencies wishes is now a thing that we expect them to do, then there are a lot of MPs not doing their job - roughly 75% of Tory constituencies voted leave, and roughly 60% of labour.

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majorit ... eferendum/

To make it more confusing though, a large number of constituencies that voted for Brexit, according to polling, would vote to remain nowadays.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5793961

So do we know with certainty that Moggs constituencies will not have flippedthe other way?

And why is it you cherrypick a survey which may or may not be accurate (since polls have demonstrated how unreliable they are - see Brexit polls before the election and the events in the last US presidential election) in favour of evidence which is much more likely to be reliable?

And why is it the actual result is reliable for shitting on Moggs for not representing his constituents, but some mental gymnastics and we give our MPs a pass for doing the same?

At least be consistent and honest about this sniping. People don't like Moggs for a lot of credible reasons, but some supposed concern for MPs representing their constituents is insincere at best.

[Hirota]

I've always had a lot of time for Tom Watson, and the fact he isn't sneering and jeering like a lot of the mob gives me some hope that the Labour party hasn't completely jumped the shark and left my personal overton window.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 85016.html

[Vassenor]

If MPs actually representing their constituencies wishes is now a thing that we expect them to do, then there are a lot of MPs not doing their job - roughly 75% of Tory constituencies voted leave, and roughly 60% of labour.

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majorit ... eferendum/

To make it more confusing though, a large number of constituencies that voted for Brexit, according to polling, would vote to remain nowadays.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5793961

We're not allowed to talk about that. It's anti-democratic to suggest people don't think exactly the same as they did two years ago.

[Hirota]

To make it more confusing though, a large number of constituencies that voted for Brexit, according to polling, would vote to remain nowadays.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5793961

We're not allowed to talk about that. It's anti-democratic to suggest people don't think exactly the same as they did two years ago.

Your allowed to talk whatever insane drivel you want to Vass. And I'm glad you do so with great frequency whilst continuing to exercise your right to utterly fail to read.
Maybe someone will come up with a sensible reason for the mental gymnastics and cherrypicking.

[Trumptonium1]

Telegraph with an exclusive scoop that 4 Conservative MPs are contemplating leaving the party and joining Chuka's group tomorrow morning - 3 facing certain deselection and 1 who doesn't like being called Conservative

(Soubry, Allen, Wollaston, Boles)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -join-new/

Good stuff, traitors out

Fucking hell the comments on that article are being updated live and there's like 2 extra per second lmao

[The New California Republic]

Telegraph with an exclusive scoop that 4 Conservative MPs are contemplating leaving the party and joining Chuka's group tomorrow morning - 3 facing certain deselection and 1 who doesn't like being called Conservative

The Independent Group are far-left?

Yes

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

[Trumptonium1]

Telegraph with an exclusive scoop that 4 Conservative MPs are contemplating leaving the party and joining Chuka's group tomorrow morning - 3 facing certain deselection and 1 who doesn't like being called Conservative

Yes

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

The Nazis were far-left and I'm sure you've heard Soubry being called a Nazi on TV, that's because she is one. Doesn't like democracy.

[Hirota]

Telegraph with an exclusive scoop that 4 Conservative MPs are contemplating leaving the party and joining Chuka's group tomorrow morning - 3 facing certain deselection and 1 who doesn't like being called Conservative

(Soubry, Allen, Wollaston, Boles)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -join-new/

Good stuff, traitors out

Fucking hell the comments on that article are being updated live and there's like 2 extra per second lmao

I'm all for cross party (or former cross party) consensus and dialogue, but this new group doesn't seem to have the variety of views on the dominant subject of British politics when some of the ex labour mps were complaining the labour party lacked diversity of views.

Also, calling the independent group "far left" is plain false when some of the 7 members criticised the labour party for going too far to the left.

[The New California Republic]

The Nazis were far-left

Fucking lol. No.

[The Blaatschapen]

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

The Nazis were far-left and I'm sure you've heard Soubry being called a Nazi on TV, that's because she is one. Doesn't like democracy.

Nazis weren't far left.

[Ifreann]

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

The Nazis were far-left and I'm sure you've heard Soubry being called a Nazi on TV, that's because she is one. Doesn't like democracy.

pls stop with these awful takes im dying

[The New California Republic]

The Nazis were far-left and I'm sure you've heard Soubry being called a Nazi on TV, that's because she is one. Doesn't like democracy.

pls stop with these awful takes im dying

It's fucking bizarre, isn't it?

[Vassenor]

The Nazis were far-left and I'm sure you've heard Soubry being called a Nazi on TV, that's because she is one. Doesn't like democracy.

Nazis weren't far left.

But they have Socialist in the name so they must be far left.