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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
126
16%
Labour
229
30%
Liberal Democrats
130
17%
Greens
39
5%
UKIP
135
18%
SNP
26
3%
Plaid Cymru
7
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
27
4%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
35
5%
 
Total votes : 766

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:55 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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Can you really not guess why South Korea might have a thing about a border cutting a people in two?

It's not like millions of people are going to die over this one.

What where the troubles?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:57 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Just conquer Ireland and then the border issue is solved.

I’m willing to nuke London thrice over for that.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:15 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It's not like millions of people are going to die over this one.

What where the troubles?
millions of people didn’t die in the troubles, which are not comparable to the Korean War, and North Korea is not comparable to Northern Ireland
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:19 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Just conquer Ireland and then the border issue is solved.

Never Gona happen, contrary to what some warmongers believe Brit’s don’t want to send their family members off to die in yet another war in Ireland
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:20 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Just conquer Ireland and then the border issue is solved.

Never Gona happen, contrary to what some warmongers believe Brit’s don’t want to send their family members off to die in yet another war in Ireland


Indeed.

NATO would be broken.

Besides, conquering Ireland is a war that cannot be won.

Yes, the Irish army can be defeated, no huge problems there. But conquering the place means a constant occupation force and guerilla warfare with its citizens. A whole other beast.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:28 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Never Gona happen, contrary to what some warmongers believe Brit’s don’t want to send their family members off to die in yet another war in Ireland


Indeed.

NATO would be broken.

Besides, conquering Ireland is a war that cannot be won.

Yes, the Irish army can be defeated, no huge problems there. But conquering the place means a constant occupation force and guerilla warfare with its citizens. A whole other beast.


It can be colonized to remove this problem. Indeed, that's how the north was retained. As I tongue-in-cheek noted, if we remained in the EU, Ireland could be annexed in short order:

We spent a billion to wind up the northern irish recently. For .25 billion more we could have funded a 5 million person colonization mission for a year at 25,000 each. Running the numbers it would cost 1.25 billion to pay 5 million people 25,000 each to fuck off to Ireland for a year. Throw in .25 million for materials and you've got an infrastructure project. It would cost 150% of the amount we spent on winding up Northern Ireland for an election cycle.

Theoeretically we could pay them 1.25 billion each year in perpetuity to dick around in Ireland and recoop the losses from Taxing Irishmen.
If you hire poles to do it, you can probably get them to do it cheaper and kill two birds with one stone. With 5 million state funded colonists voting for a pro-empire party in the elections, that would be sufficient to annex Ireland. This is also cheaper than an invasion, and would probably mean the EU places restrictrions in internal immigration if we abused the system like that. So it's win for everyone, except foreigners and the West British.


Hiring a polish colonization force could solve a lot of our problems with the EU tbh.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:07 am

Brexit: Netherlands talking to 250 firms about leaving UK

So yeah, looks like the list of bailouts could be growing.
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Postby Space Captain Brian Surgeon » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:12 am

Vassenor wrote:Brexit: Netherlands talking to 250 firms about leaving UK

So yeah, looks like the list of bailouts could be growing.


Like Dunkirk in reverse.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:26 am

Vassenor wrote:Brexit: Netherlands talking to 250 firms about leaving UK

So yeah, looks like the list of bailouts could be growing.


We should change our national animal to the vulture.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:54 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Never Gona happen, contrary to what some warmongers believe Brit’s don’t want to send their family members off to die in yet another war in Ireland


Indeed.

NATO would be broken.

Besides, conquering Ireland is a war that cannot be won.

Yes, the Irish army can be defeated, no huge problems there. But conquering the place means a constant occupation force and guerilla warfare with its citizens. A whole other beast.


Ireland is not part of NATO.
I am sure many NATO countries would be extremely displeased but NATO in no way requires anyone to defend Ireland.

It is still a bad idea though.

But actually the British could have kept all Ireland if not for crushing religious freedom and starving people.

Most of Ireland did not hate being part of the UK for no reason.

You made them hate.
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Postby Aellex » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:55 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Just conquer Ireland and then the border issue is solved.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:19 am

1900 jobs.

lol.

The dutch are winning this. Woah.

Imagine winning such business as "Norinchukin Bank" for your country, an agricultural Japanese savings co-operative which had a small office in London. Oh and I'm amazed MarketAxess is on there as 'list of companies moving to the Netherlands' because as far as I know they're just opening a dormant office with two compliance staff. I'll ask my friend next time as he's on internship there this summer. You know, for whatever reason they're taking on more interns and graduates than ever before. Clearly a sign of lack of confidence.

Well lads it's time to close up shop, declare Britain closed and bankrupt. Can't operate without that.

Remember when Euros and fifth columnist remainers were gloating that GS, BAML, JPM, SS, MS & UBS were all heading to Paris/Amsterdam/Frankfurt? Well they're gonna have to make do with Norinchukin Investment Bank and its rice export insurance business for now.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:27 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What where the troubles?
millions of people didn’t die in the troubles, which are not comparable to the Korean War, and North Korea is not comparable to Northern Ireland

Yes I know. Still the idea that just because millions won’t die if we have troubles 2.0 and therefore we don’t need to worry about it is absolutely silly
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:32 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Indeed.

NATO would be broken.

Besides, conquering Ireland is a war that cannot be won.

Yes, the Irish army can be defeated, no huge problems there. But conquering the place means a constant occupation force and guerilla warfare with its citizens. A whole other beast.


It can be colonized to remove this problem. Indeed, that's how the north was retained. As I tongue-in-cheek noted, if we remained in the EU, Ireland could be annexed in short order:

We spent a billion to wind up the northern irish recently. For .25 billion more we could have funded a 5 million person colonization mission for a year at 25,000 each. Running the numbers it would cost 1.25 billion to pay 5 million people 25,000 each to fuck off to Ireland for a year. Throw in .25 million for materials and you've got an infrastructure project. It would cost 150% of the amount we spent on winding up Northern Ireland for an election cycle.

Theoeretically we could pay them 1.25 billion each year in perpetuity to dick around in Ireland and recoop the losses from Taxing Irishmen.
If you hire poles to do it, you can probably get them to do it cheaper and kill two birds with one stone. With 5 million state funded colonists voting for a pro-empire party in the elections, that would be sufficient to annex Ireland. This is also cheaper than an invasion, and would probably mean the EU places restrictrions in internal immigration if we abused the system like that. So it's win for everyone, except foreigners and the West British.


Hiring a polish colonization force could solve a lot of our problems with the EU tbh.

Except you’d probably end up pissing off the US. Who would then dredge up it’s old war plans and inact Operation Revenge. If sure the French would love to hop on board.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:39 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It can be colonized to remove this problem. Indeed, that's how the north was retained. As I tongue-in-cheek noted, if we remained in the EU, Ireland could be annexed in short order:



Hiring a polish colonization force could solve a lot of our problems with the EU tbh.

Except you’d probably end up pissing off the US. Who would then dredge up it’s old war plans and inact Operation Revenge. If sure the French would love to hop on board.

We’ll be celebrating Christmas in London


stop derailing this thread

and stop pretending attacking the UK or any other country with more than 50 nukes wouldn't result in the end of the world
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:40 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Except you’d probably end up pissing off the US. Who would then dredge up it’s old war plans and inact Operation Revenge. If sure the French would love to hop on board.

We’ll be celebrating Christmas in London


stop derailing this thread

and stop pretending attacking the UK or any other country with more than 50 nukes wouldn't result in the end of the world

It’s a joke mate. Not a dick don’t take it so hard
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:33 am

>tfw ferry deal cancelled
>tfw ferry will never come and pick you up and carry you off to the promised land of southhampton
>tfw you will be stuck in dover forever
>tfw you will never be sure if this is punishment for some sin you committed in the past life
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>tfw you are on your deathbed, having reached true enlightenment as your result of your brexit experience, and the last words that escape your mouth are "thank you nigel"
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:04 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Never Gona happen, contrary to what some warmongers believe Brit’s don’t want to send their family members off to die in yet another war in Ireland


Indeed.

NATO would be broken.


Ireland isn't a member of NATO.

I mean, the concept that the UK might invade Ireland is laugh out loud silly, and it's ludicrous that the idea's even surfaced in the thread - it's about as likely as the UK invading the United States to overturn the Treaty of Paris. But, writing purely hypothetically, it wouldn't necessarily break NATO since NATO has no collective defence obligation with Ireland.

Ireland is a member of NATO's Partnership for Peace programme; but then so are Belarus, Russia, and Kazakhstan.

Edit:
I see the point's already been addressed; apologies.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:18 pm

Novus America wrote:
You made them hate.


I did not make them hate anything :blink:

Edit: Which 'you' are you referring to?
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Postby Novus America » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:19 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
You made them hate.


I did not make them hate anything :blink:


Sorry, that was a plural you, directed at the UK.

You are not even British.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:23 pm

Novus America wrote:
You are not even British.


Not British and Proud 8)
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:23 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
You are not even British.


Not British and Proud 8)

The best kind of British.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:05 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Not British and Proud 8)

The best kind of British.


*throws a black pudding at you*

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:34 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Indeed.

NATO would be broken.


Ireland isn't a member of NATO.

I mean, the concept that the UK might invade Ireland is laugh out loud silly, and it's ludicrous that the idea's even surfaced in the thread - it's about as likely as the UK invading the United States to overturn the Treaty of Paris. But, writing purely hypothetically, it wouldn't necessarily break NATO since NATO has no collective defence obligation with Ireland.

Ireland is a member of NATO's Partnership for Peace programme; but then so are Belarus, Russia, and Kazakhstan.

Edit:
I see the point's already been addressed; apologies.

Look at who fucking posts in this thread, course its a serious idea for some people.
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