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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
126
16%
Labour
229
30%
Liberal Democrats
130
17%
Greens
39
5%
UKIP
135
18%
SNP
26
3%
Plaid Cymru
7
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
27
4%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
35
5%
 
Total votes : 766

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:47 am

Ifreann wrote:
Risottia wrote:But but but muh trade with Jamaica and Pakistan! It will surely make up for trade with the EU, won't it?

Won't it?

Uhh...

Britain is going to swap place with New Zealand to get better trade links with Australia.

That’s assuming Australia doesn’t tell em to feck off
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:51 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Hirota wrote:oh gosh, that poll.

I voted Labour last time, even though the tory candidate has a big majority, but if it was today...with the big two so useless, and the third one being so anonymous, I'd be tempted to vote for the famous Cricket Umpire, even if he is representing UKIP. :lol:

It is a shame that the poll results on NationStates can't have filters applied to them, such as sorting by country of origin as determined by IP address, as I suspect that many of the people who are voting in the poll are not even in or from the UK.

I voted in the poll. Am obviously not a UKian. And I voted Sinn Féin
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:55 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Actually, defaulting to WTO rules in the event of no deal would be far worse, the standard WTO tariffs are just horrid.

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/no-deal-the-wto-option/

Ya but at which point the Brexiters can then say that they actually left. Which they couldn’t say if they where in the EEA

Sure, I mean some Brexiteers call for that kind of no-deal Brexit with an instant and unilateral withdrawal from the EU; but these are the people who, if that actually happened, would be saying a few months down the line "Why has the cost of goods shot up? Why are some of the supermarket shelves empty? Why have I lost my job? Why can't I get spare parts for my car?" etc etc ad infinitum.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:56 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Ya but at which point the Brexiters can then say that they actually left. Which they couldn’t say if they where in the EEA

Sure, I mean some Brexiteers call for that kind of no-deal Brexit with an instant and unilateral withdrawal from the EU; but these are the people who, if that actually happened, would be saying a few months down the line "Why has the cost of goods shot up? Why are some of the supermarket shelves empty? Why have I lost my job? Why can't I get spare parts for my car?" etc etc ad infinitum.

Oh i know. I’m enjoying this show and I don’t want it to end.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:58 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Sure, I mean some Brexiteers call for that kind of no-deal Brexit with an instant and unilateral withdrawal from the EU; but these are the people who, if that actually happened, would be saying a few months down the line "Why has the cost of goods shot up? Why are some of the supermarket shelves empty? Why have I lost my job? Why can't I get spare parts for my car?" etc etc ad infinitum.

Oh i know. I’m enjoying this show and I don’t want it to end.

I do, its a colossal wanktrain of bullshit run by a bunch of clampets.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:00 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Oh i know. I’m enjoying this show and I don’t want it to end.

I do, its a colossal wanktrain of bullshit run by a bunch of clampets.

I second this notion.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:04 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Britain is going to swap place with New Zealand to get better trade links with Australia.

That’s assuming Australia doesn’t tell em to feck off

Australians greet their beloved mothers with a hearty "Fuck off, cunt", so one shudders to imagine what they'd say if Britain parked itself off Bondi beach.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That’s assuming Australia doesn’t tell em to feck off

Australians greet their beloved mothers with a hearty "Fuck off, cunt", so one shudders to imagine what they'd say if Britain parked itself off Bondi beach.

New emu dumping ground?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:07 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh i know. I’m enjoying this show and I don’t want it to end.

I do, its a colossal wanktrain of bullshit run by a bunch of clampets.

Yes but you’re a citizen of the UK. I am not. This is much more enjoyable to me.


Plus I kinda want to see the UK and the commonwealth collapse
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:18 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I do, its a colossal wanktrain of bullshit run by a bunch of clampets.

Yes but you’re a citizen of the UK. I am not. This is much more enjoyable to me.


Plus I kinda want to see the UK and the commonwealth collapse

Well who knows, with the rate this shit is going, NI might be part of the republic in the near future.

Also im a citizen of the Irish Republic by law and the Good Friday Agreement (and documentation). If i wanted i could hold British citizenship too as i would be allowed to do so by the Good Friday Agreement, but i have no interest in that.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:35 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes but you’re a citizen of the UK. I am not. This is much more enjoyable to me.


Plus I kinda want to see the UK and the commonwealth collapse

Well who knows, with the rate this shit is going, NI might be part of the republic in the near future.

Yes!!

Also im a citizen of the Irish Republic by law and the Good Friday Agreement (and documentation). If i wanted i could hold British citizenship too as i would be allowed to do so by the Good Friday Agreement, but i have no interest in that.

I didn’t know that. Interesting
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:37 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well who knows, with the rate this shit is going, NI might be part of the republic in the near future.

Yes!!

Also im a citizen of the Irish Republic by law and the Good Friday Agreement (and documentation). If i wanted i could hold British citizenship too as i would be allowed to do so by the Good Friday Agreement, but i have no interest in that.

I didn’t know that. Interesting
Yup, its because there is a large minority of Irish people in NI so it was part of the peace agreement that ended the troubles. You can either be a Duel citizen of the UK and ROI, or just one of them.

Got my irish passport last year before i finished uni to travel as well.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:39 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I do, its a colossal wanktrain of bullshit run by a bunch of clampets.

Yes but you’re a citizen of the UK. I am not. This is much more enjoyable to me.


Plus I kinda want to see the UK and the commonwealth collapse


Lovely attitude. I didn’t know you’re French :p

Also, all this speculation that NI might be one part of RoI, like the rest of the UK wants to keep it. It’s kinda funny...
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:42 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes but you’re a citizen of the UK. I am not. This is much more enjoyable to me.


Plus I kinda want to see the UK and the commonwealth collapse


Lovely attitude. I didn’t know you’re French :p

Also, all this speculation that NI might be one part of RoI, like the rest of the UK wants to keep it. It’s kinda funny...

Well you lot are stuck with us till most of us vote otherwise
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:44 am

Ifreann wrote:I'm not in or from the UK, but could vote in the UK if I were inclined to move there and register.

Same. Fuckin' hilarious.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:48 am

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Since when is "local forum" an euphemism for lewd group activities?

Fora have always been the best place for lewd group activities since the times of Tullus Hostilius. We badly needed that, after all those years under that bigot Numa.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:51 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I do, its a colossal wanktrain of bullshit run by a bunch of clampets.

Yes but you’re a citizen of the UK. I am not. This is much more enjoyable to me.


Plus I kinda want to see the UK and the commonwealth collapse

I guess some sympathy for the average Joe in the UK who is just sick to death of this mayhem is too much to wish for?
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:52 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Lovely attitude. I didn’t know you’re French :p

Also, all this speculation that NI might be one part of RoI, like the rest of the UK wants to keep it. It’s kinda funny...

Well you lot are stuck with us till most of us vote otherwise

Technically, England, Wales and Scotland could leave the United Kingdom and leave only NI in it. Just think about it: the United Kingdom of Northern Ireland. The Albert Clock instead of the Big Ben.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:52 am

The New California Republic wrote:I guess some sympathy for the average Joe in the UK who is just sick to death of this mayhem is too much to wish for?

MAYhem. :D
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:54 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh i know. I’m enjoying this show and I don’t want it to end.

I do, its a colossal wanktrain of bullshit run by a bunch of clampets.


Agree with this sentiment. I'd quite like to get Mr Bones's Wild Ride now, thank you.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:57 am

Risottia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well you lot are stuck with us till most of us vote otherwise

Technically, England, Wales and Scotland could leave the United Kingdom and leave only NI in it. Just think about it: the United Kingdom of Northern Ireland. The Albert Clock instead of the Big Ben.


Or if England left, the rest could be named the Celtic Remenant. Has a good ring to it, no?
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:16 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Risottia wrote:Technically, England, Wales and Scotland could leave the United Kingdom and leave only NI in it. Just think about it: the United Kingdom of Northern Ireland. The Albert Clock instead of the Big Ben.

Or if England left, the rest could be named the Celtic Remenant. Has a good ring to it, no?

There appears to be a misspelling in your post, but that doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. How about calling this new state the Celtic Revenant? It has a nice, intimidating feel to it.


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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:17 am

Risottia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I guess some sympathy for the average Joe in the UK who is just sick to death of this mayhem is too much to wish for?

MAYhem. :D

:lol2:
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:23 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Ya but at which point the Brexiters can then say that they actually left. Which they couldn’t say if they where in the EEA

Sure, I mean some Brexiteers call for that kind of no-deal Brexit with an instant and unilateral withdrawal from the EU; but these are the people who, if that actually happened, would be saying a few months down the line "Why has the cost of goods shot up? Why are some of the supermarket shelves empty? Why have I lost my job? Why can't I get spare parts for my car?" etc etc ad infinitum.


Won't help. Not when people have gone on-camera saying "I don't care about the economy, or trade, or any of that, as long as it gets the Muslims out".
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:24 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Or if England left, the rest could be named the Celtic Remenant. Has a good ring to it, no?

There appears to be a misspelling in your post, but that doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. How about calling this new state the Celtic Revenant? It has a nice, intimidating feel to it.


That could work too. Anything but the Celtic Covenant.
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