UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Hurdergaryp]

Punching oneself in the face repeatedly is a common British government tactic, it seems.

It's the public school system. Corporal punishment leads to our MPs getting into masochism.

And censorship laws, for some reason.

[Aellex]

ideally, we would take the best parts of the US and UK and combine them into one better country. the UK, however, is much more likely to take the worst parts of the UK and US and combine them into one mega-shit country. this is, of course, precisely the reason that the US distanced itself from the UK in the first place, and it is no coincidence that the best anglo country is the one that revolted the hardest.

realistically speaking, your best bet would be to take the EU and inject some actual proper respect for freedom into it. this would instantly make the EU a much more free place without sacrificing the regulations that prevent it from descending into US style cyberpunk hell. of course, they will never do this, but it is nice to think about.

The best anglo country is Canada.

Strange way to spell Australia Emulandia

[Ostroeuropa]

The best anglo country is Canada.

Strange way to spell Australia Emulandia

I like snow.

[Vassenor]

Man faces deportation to Malaysia after UK officials refuse to believe he is gay

Apparently you only count as homosexual to the paper pushers if you're in an active relationship.

[Ifreann]

Man faces deportation to Malaysia after UK officials refuse to believe he is gay

Apparently you only count as homosexual to the paper pushers if you're in an active relationship.

Maybe he should send a sex tape to Sajid Javid. And CC May, she loves an aul sex tape.

[Souseiseki]

ideally, we would take the best parts of the US and UK and combine them into one better country. the UK, however, is much more likely to take the worst parts of the UK and US and combine them into one mega-shit country. this is, of course, precisely the reason that the US distanced itself from the UK in the first place, and it is no coincidence that the best anglo country is the one that revolted the hardest.

realistically speaking, your best bet would be to take the EU and inject some actual proper respect for freedom into it. this would instantly make the EU a much more free place without sacrificing the regulations that prevent it from descending into US style cyberpunk hell. of course, they will never do this, but it is nice to think about.

The best anglo country is Canada.

lmao you cannot be serious

canada is a bastard of a country that has somehow tricked the world into thinking it's all nicey nice

[Souseiseki]

>get arrested in canada over some bullshit
>"doesn't that violate my rights?"
>"ummmmmm, not really? you're only really allowed to exercise your rights if it's for a socially approved purpose or if all canadians agree what you're doing is ok"
>"if rights are contingent on social approval doesn't that mean the rights which are designed to protect things which are not socially approved offer little if any real protection in their application?"
>"no. unlike the united states, we are more able to recognize that rights have obligations and limitations - for example, if we really don't like it"
>"i dunno man it's kinda starting to sound like i basically don't actually have rights"
>"well then you should be happy that i allow you to say that!"
>"wow what a brave progressive country"

i read a book recently with a chapter written by an american who moved to canada and thought she really understood canada and their culture. she then realized through her work how fundamentally different the american and canadian outlook on certain issues are and subsequently how utterly screwed she was due to living in canada. she then looked through canada's history and saw that it was filled with dirty bullshit past and present. it was very interesting to read, since it very strongly mirrors what happened to me. i cannot express in words how badly canada is lying to you everytime it opens its collective mouth.

[The Huskar Social Union]

This is neat, i hope she does well and will be an example to others to break past the typical green vs orange nonsense

[The Huskar Social Union]

Man faces deportation to Malaysia after UK officials refuse to believe he is gay

Apparently you only count as homosexual to the paper pushers if you're in an active relationship.

*Head Desk*

[Ostroeuropa]

>get arrested in canada over some bullshit
>"doesn't that violate my rights?"
>"ummmmmm, not really? you're only really allowed to exercise your rights if it's for a socially approved purpose or if all canadians agree what you're doing is ok"
>"if rights are contingent on social approval doesn't that mean the rights which are designed to protect things which are not socially approved offer little if any real protection in their application?"
>"no. unlike the united states, we are more able to recognize that rights have obligations and limitations - for example, if we really don't like it"
>"i dunno man it's kinda starting to sound like i basically don't actually have rights"
>"well then you should be happy that i allow you to say that!"
>"wow what a brave progressive country"

i read a book recently with a chapter written by an american who moved to canada and thought she really understood canada and their culture. she then realized through her work how fundamentally different the american and canadian outlook on certain issues are and subsequently how utterly screwed she was due to living in canada. she then looked through canada's history and saw that it was filled with dirty bullshit past and present. it was very interesting to read, since it very strongly mirrors what happened to me. i cannot express in words how badly canada is lying to you everytime it opens its collective mouth.

This is the anglo way though, but people figured us out. We basically conquered a third of the planet acting this way. Canada has mostly kept up the tradition and they're good at it.
Dont you understand "rights" is just something you use to gaslight your enemies into thinking the reason you are shooting them is that they are bad people and not actually something consistent and principled?
Gosh.

Our entire history of "rights" is powerful people beating up others and screaming about the rights of the powerful while ignoring the ways they are fucking over others and waffling about it being natural or whatever.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Who keeps letting this cunt do this job

[The Archregimancy]

Strange way to spell Australia Emulandia

I like snow.

That's not an insurmountable obstacle.

[The Archregimancy]

More serious point for the thread...

Should the Independent Group be represented in the next thread poll, or is it too soon?

This thread is drawing to a close during a moment of rare fluidity in the British political landscape, so it might be more difficult than usual to predict the best poll options.

[Caracasus]

Who keeps letting this cunt do this job

I mean, wouldn't you at least read the wikipedia page when writing your speech? Like at the very least?

[The Archregimancy]

This is neat, i hope she does well and will be an example to others to break past the typical green vs orange nonsense

I feel for both socially liberal Unionists and socially conservative Nationalists in NI; there aren't very many places for them to go.

And there's the additional issue that 'Liberal Unionist' means something very specific in British political history.

[The Archregimancy]

Who keeps letting this cunt do this job

I mean, wouldn't you at least read the wikipedia page when writing your speech? Like at the very least?

If you're going to be hyper-technical, you could argue that for the brief period between the establishment of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 1945 and the break between Tito and Stalin in 1948, Slovenia was part of a state that was within the Soviet sphere of influence.

But somehow I very much doubt that Mr Hunt had this three-year period in the 1940s in mind.

[Ifreann]

The best anglo country is Canada.

lmao you cannot be serious

canada is a bastard of a country that has somehow tricked the world into thinking it's all nicey nice

When you're a polite bastard, people only notice the first thing.

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Who keeps letting this cunt do this job

do any job*

[Vassenor]

Looks like the EU prefers Corbyn's approach to a Deal to May's.

[Caracasus]

I mean, wouldn't you at least read the wikipedia page when writing your speech? Like at the very least?

If you're going to be hyper-technical, you could argue that for the brief period between the establishment of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 1945 and the break between Tito and Stalin in 1948, Slovenia was part of a state that was within the Soviet sphere of influence.

But somehow I very much doubt that Mr Hunt had this three-year period in the 1940s in mind.

I hadn't actually thought of that! But yes, going by past evidence regarding Mr Hunt I don't think he knew that.

lmao you cannot be serious

canada is a bastard of a country that has somehow tricked the world into thinking it's all nicey nice

When you're a polite bastard, people only notice the first thing.

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Who keeps letting this cunt do this job

do any job*

Be fair now. You could employ him at the zoo to keep an eye on the penguins in case they fly away or something. There must be a job out there he won't fuck up.

[Dooom35796821595]

Looks like the EU prefers Corbyn's approach to a Deal to May's.

Bah, basic battle tactics divide and conquer. Set two sides against each other and they’ll be to busy fighting each other to unite against the greater threat.

[Caracasus]

Looks like the EU prefers Corbyn's approach to a Deal to May's.

Bah, basic battle tactics divide and conquer. Set two sides against each other and they’ll be to busy fighting each other to unite against the greater threat.

Or it is more workable. Not sure that's a high bar however. As far as I am aware, May's approach is contradictorary.

Besides, how could they divide the government more, and what would that achieve?

[Dooom35796821595]

Bah, basic battle tactics divide and conquer. Set two sides against each other and they’ll be to busy fighting each other to unite against the greater threat.

Or it is more workable. Not sure that's a high bar however. As far as I am aware, May's approach is contradictorary.

Besides, how could they divide the government more, and what would that achieve?

A no deal with the blame placed on the UK? Besides, if the plan is so workable, where is it? The EU does have serious problems with transparency and accountability. And of course, the problem that faces May, (one of the many) what solution to NI did Corbin present that the EU and UK parliaments would accept?

[Great Nepal]

Looks like the EU prefers Corbyn's approach to a Deal to May's.

It is a better starting point compared to May's - though that's hardly saying more. Also it'd have been great if he didn't take 2 years to come up with "maybe, possibly, ambiguously like Norway but with EFTA" so we had more than 2 month to consider it.

[Thanatttynia]

Is there a solution to the Irish border problem? I was under the impression there wasn't

[Vassenor]

Is there a solution to the Irish border problem? I was under the impression there wasn't

There are no mutually agreeable solutions, at least.