UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Irona]

#Breaking Christopher Davies, Conservative MP for Brecon and Radnorshire, charged after allegations he falsified two invoices in support of Parliamentary expenses claims, the Crown Prosecution Service says.

Because public trust in politics needs another blow...

[Trumptonium1]

The UK has recorded the largest monthly budget surplus in history at 14.9 billion, strongly above the 9.9 billion that was a "consensus" among economists and treasury analysts.

This means year-to-year borrowing is now 21 billion and is set to be that way until April's budget statement, beating the doommonger Brexit re-forecasts/target of a 26 billion budget deficit for the financial year.

Capital gains tax increased by over 20% in a single year despite a slowdown in house prices and equity growth. Borrowing is now at its lowest since 2001, when Labour randomly decided to end Britain's budget surplus and send it down a spiral of gigantic deficits in the 7 years preceding the financial crisis against all economic widsom, exacerbating the crisis and causing public services cuts to be bigger than they'd have to be.

https://www.ft.com/content/989ad7cc-35b ... 459962a812

[Vassenor]

The UK has recorded the largest monthly budget surplus in history at 14.9 billion, strongly above the 9.9 billion that was a "consensus" among economists and treasury analysts.

This means year-to-year borrowing is now 21 billion and is set to be that way until April's budget statement, beating the doommonger Brexit re-forecasts/target of a 26 billion budget deficit for the financial year.

Capital gains tax increased by over 20% in a single year despite a slowdown in house prices and equity growth. Borrowing is now at its lowest since 2001, when Labour randomly decided to end Britain's budget surplus and send it down a spiral of gigantic deficits in the 7 years preceding the financial crisis against all economic widsom, exacerbating the crisis and causing public services cuts to be bigger than they'd have to be.

https://www.ft.com/content/989ad7cc-35b ... 459962a812

Reminder that Brexit hasn't happened yet, so leave that emotive language at the door.

[Trumptonium1]

The UK has recorded the largest monthly budget surplus in history at 14.9 billion, strongly above the 9.9 billion that was a "consensus" among economists and treasury analysts.

This means year-to-year borrowing is now 21 billion and is set to be that way until April's budget statement, beating the doommonger Brexit re-forecasts/target of a 26 billion budget deficit for the financial year.

Capital gains tax increased by over 20% in a single year despite a slowdown in house prices and equity growth. Borrowing is now at its lowest since 2001, when Labour randomly decided to end Britain's budget surplus and send it down a spiral of gigantic deficits in the 7 years preceding the financial crisis against all economic widsom, exacerbating the crisis and causing public services cuts to be bigger than they'd have to be.

https://www.ft.com/content/989ad7cc-35b ... 459962a812

Reminder that Brexit hasn't happened yet, so leave that emotive language at the door.

My bad, you're right. Thanks for reminding me all these crappy companies like Airbus and Nissan are leaving thanks to the EU. Even more reason for us to leave on time.

[Ostroeuropa]

The UK has recorded the largest monthly budget surplus in history at 14.9 billion, strongly above the 9.9 billion that was a "consensus" among economists and treasury analysts.

This means year-to-year borrowing is now 21 billion and is set to be that way until April's budget statement, beating the doommonger Brexit re-forecasts/target of a 26 billion budget deficit for the financial year.

Capital gains tax increased by over 20% in a single year despite a slowdown in house prices and equity growth. Borrowing is now at its lowest since 2001, when Labour randomly decided to end Britain's budget surplus and send it down a spiral of gigantic deficits in the 7 years preceding the financial crisis against all economic widsom, exacerbating the crisis and causing public services cuts to be bigger than they'd have to be.

https://www.ft.com/content/989ad7cc-35b ... 459962a812

Reminder that Brexit hasn't happened yet, so leave that emotive language at the door.

You can't have it both ways.

Anything negative in the economy is due to looming brexit, but anything positive "Brexit hasn't happened yet.".

It's either all nothing to do with Brexit, or all to do with Brexit.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

#Breaking Christopher Davies, Conservative MP for Brecon and Radnorshire, charged after allegations he falsified two invoices in support of Parliamentary expenses claims, the Crown Prosecution Service says.

Because public trust in politics needs another blow...

ERG member?

[The Free Joy State]

#Breaking Christopher Davies, Conservative MP for Brecon and Radnorshire, charged after allegations he falsified two invoices in support of Parliamentary expenses claims, the Crown Prosecution Service says.

Because public trust in politics needs another blow...

ERG member?

As far as I'm aware, there's no known list of all the ERG members.

Here's his voting record.

[Trumptonium1]

Jeremy Corbyn goes on live TV to say that Begum is British and should be let in and "given our full support" on return.

This will go down well in the voting polls I bet.

[Philjia]

Jeremy Corbyn goes on live TV to say that Begum is British and should be let in and "given our full support" on return.

This will go down well in the voting polls I bet.

Wrong angle, should have emphasised that its unfair to foist her on the Bangladeshis since she's never lived there.

[Juristonia]

Might not be a popular move, but it's the right one.
She's a British kid that did something stupid. Consequences of that should be faced in Britain.

[Bienenhalde]

Why should have Soubry have been deselected, anyway? I mean, now the question is strictly a hypothetical one since she left the Conservative Party of her own accord, but what about Philip Davies with the horrendously sexist statements he has repeatedly made. I am pretty sure that is a far bigger problem than someone supporting the EU, whatever its flaws.

Because she's voting to remain in the EU at every step, while her constituency was heavily slanted towards leaving. Soft Brexit Tory Mps aren't suffering the same fate, because they're at least respecting the manifesto they stood on by words if not spirit.

Are you talking about the "Re-leavers" in particular? Because I could understand their desire to respect the results of the referendum, especially right after the referendum took place. On the other hand, since it has become increasingly clear that no satisfactory Brexit deal is likely, I have been increasingly leaning towards just revoking article 50 and remaining in the EU. Another sensible option would have been to accept May's Brexit deal as a reasonable compromise that would honor the will of the voters while avoiding the catastrophe of a no-deal Brexit, but unfortunately that failed. If Soubry opposed May's Brexit deal, then I would certainly have a problem with that stance, but if they deselected every Conservative MP who opposed May's deal, then about half or so of the Conservative MPs would be deselected, right? It would be a complete mess.

[Trumptonium1]

Jeremy Corbyn goes on live TV to say that Begum is British and should be let in and "given our full support" on return.

This will go down well in the voting polls I bet.

Wrong angle, should have emphasised that its unfair to foist her on the Bangladeshis since she's never lived there.

Doesn't matter. Words matter. He went on live TV and told everybody that he thinks she should be given, and I quote "our full support"

I'm very interested what this will do to polls next week. Because so far opinion polls show 78% of the public support depriving her of citizenship even if doing so would render he stateless and explicitly be against international law. This is not some sort of fringe or extremist view. The extremists are the 15% who think she should be able to come to the UK, of which even fewer extremists think she should be offered rehabilitation/legal aid, of which even fewer extremists think she should walk free. In Northern Labour heartlands, that figure is 84% of the public thinking she should rot the fuck away from Britain.

So far the response has been completely unsupportive. Left-wing ODN amateur outlet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIjUVFaMVaY
Even the comments on The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... e#comments
Comments on ITV News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMFTjKgAWfg
Socially liberal Evening Standard wasn't impressed: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sham ... 73081.html
He somehow even managed to piss off the Liverpool Echo: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... e-15865680

Although people on here are right-wing, there do appear to be several left-wingers in here, even the insufferable FBPE lot: https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1098564462620168192
https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/sta ... 3814668288

[Trumptonium1]

Because she's voting to remain in the EU at every step, while her constituency was heavily slanted towards leaving. Soft Brexit Tory Mps aren't suffering the same fate, because they're at least respecting the manifesto they stood on by words if not spirit.

Are you talking about the "Re-leavers" in particular? Because I could understand their desire to respect the results of the referendum, especially right after the referendum took place. On the other hand, since it has become increasingly clear that no satisfactory Brexit deal is likely, I have been increasingly leaning towards just revoking article 50 and remaining in the EU. Another sensible option would have been to accept May's Brexit deal as a reasonable compromise that would honor the will of the voters while avoiding the catastrophe of a no-deal Brexit, but unfortunately that failed. If Soubry opposed May's Brexit deal, then I would certainly have a problem with that stance, but if they deselected every Conservative MP who opposed May's deal, then about half or so of the Conservative MPs would be deselected, right? It would be a complete mess.

They're not deselecting MPs who don't support May's Deal, they're deselecting MPs who do not support leaving the EU at all. There's about 15 or so of them in the Conservative Party and half, the three included, are undergoing some step in the deselection process.

Not sure what you mean by releavers. Conservative voters are pro no-deal (by a slim majority) and Conservative party members are pro no-deal by a large majority. The amount of people who voted Remain but would vote Leave is roughly equal to the reverse.

[Bear Stearns]

So I've been watching Love Island lately. Great stuff!

[Crylante]

So I've been watching Love Island lately. Great stuff!

Is that related to our politics?

I mean I guess it's a commentary that our society is willing to watch dimwitted minor celebrities fuck each other on national television.

[Fartsniffage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O2NsPioKBs

[Vassenor]

Brexit: Japan trade deal will not be ready by deadline

...But I thought everyone was supposed to be falling over each other to have the best trade deals ready for us to start on March 30th.

[Battlion]

Brexit: Japan trade deal will not be ready by deadline

...But I thought everyone was supposed to be falling over each other to have the best trade deals ready for us to start on March 30th.

Super easy business this

[Trumptonium1]

The University of Essex student union have overwhelmingly voted against creating a Jewish Society at the university, spearheaded by a Holocaust-denying lecturer in computer science.



https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-n ... ex-2570858
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2019-02 ... -proposal/

[Bear Stearns]

So I've been watching Love Island lately. Great stuff!

Is that related to our politics?

I mean I guess it's a commentary that our society is willing to watch dimwitted minor celebrities fuck each other on national television.

Hayley Hughes is hot tho

[Novus America]

The University of Essex student union have overwhelmingly voted against creating a Jewish Society at the university, spearheaded by a Holocaust-denying lecturer in computer science.

(Image)

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-n ... ex-2570858
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2019-02 ... -proposal/

10 bucks says the majority are Corbyn supporters too.

Unfortunately Jews will probably be eventually forced to leave the UK at the way things are going.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The University of Essex student union have overwhelmingly voted against creating a Jewish Society at the university, spearheaded by a Holocaust-denying lecturer in computer science.

(Image)

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-n ... ex-2570858
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2019-02 ... -proposal/

Why would you put university society applications to a public vote?

[Novus America]

The University of Essex student union have overwhelmingly voted against creating a Jewish Society at the university, spearheaded by a Holocaust-denying lecturer in computer science.

(Image)

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-n ... ex-2570858
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2019-02 ... -proposal/

Why would you put university society applications to a public vote?

The student union absolutely should NOT have the power to ban groups they do not like.

[Bombadil]

Apparently some European companies are starting to refuse orders on the basis they don't know whether or how they can fulfil those orders given their delivery date is post-March 29th.

God this is all such a shitshow, a country committing seppuku.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Ian Austin has tweeted that he has resigned from the Labour Party, but not to join the Independent Group.