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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
126
16%
Labour
229
30%
Liberal Democrats
130
17%
Greens
39
5%
UKIP
135
18%
SNP
26
3%
Plaid Cymru
7
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
27
4%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
35
5%
 
Total votes : 766

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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:26 am

Hrythingia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Exactly right. When I hear Brexiteers moaning about the current course of Brexit, and I tell them about the various problems and how they would do it better, I am invariably met with "...um...well...ah...um...um...". "Yes?" I say to them, inquisitively. "...".

That is unfortunate. Most Brexiteers I know and hear of are very clear. Clean break on WTO terms, give the frog munchers the bow fingers and be on our way ho ho.


it's certainly a plan, with the small caveat that it would be an economic clusterfuck, never make it past parliament, be opposed by almost a majority/possibly a majority of british voters and cause constitutional issues in northern ireland.

still salty the EEA/EFTA cadre all died in a freak accident on 24 june 2016. i miss them. very tragic.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:00 am

Hrythingia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Exactly right. When I hear Brexiteers moaning about the current course of Brexit, and I tell them about the various problems and how they would do it better, I am invariably met with "...um...well...ah...um...um...". "Yes?" I say to them, inquisitively. "...".

That is unfortunate. Most Brexiteers I know and hear of are very clear. Clean break on WTO terms, give the frog munchers the bow fingers and be on our way ho ho.

Sounds like a good way to create economic chaos, as it'd tank the economy to trade on WTO terms.

I generally disregard responses from Brexiteers that are nonsensical on the level of trying to save the patient by killing them.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:10 am

Hrythingia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Exactly right. When I hear Brexiteers moaning about the current course of Brexit, and I tell them about the various problems and how they would do it better, I am invariably met with "...um...well...ah...um...um...". "Yes?" I say to them, inquisitively. "...".

That is unfortunate. Most Brexiteers I know and hear of are very clear. Clean break on WTO terms, give the frog munchers the bow fingers and be on our way ho ho.


Again, you are confusing anecdote with data. Just because no-one you know feels a certain way does not mean no-one feels that way, full stop.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:15 am

Hrythingia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Exactly right. When I hear Brexiteers moaning about the current course of Brexit, and I tell them about the various problems and how they would do it better, I am invariably met with "...um...well...ah...um...um...". "Yes?" I say to them, inquisitively. "...".

That is unfortunate. Most Brexiteers I know and hear of are very clear. Clean break on WTO terms, give the frog munchers the bow fingers and be on our way ho ho.

That still isn't a clean break.

A clean break would that, plus the automatic repeal of any and every law even remotely influenced by the EU/ECHR/etc, plus automatic deportation of every EU citizen that has come over to work here.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:16 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:That is unfortunate. Most Brexiteers I know and hear of are very clear. Clean break on WTO terms, give the frog munchers the bow fingers and be on our way ho ho.

Sounds like a good way to create economic chaos, as it'd tank the economy to trade on WTO terms.

I generally disregard responses from Brexiteers that are nonsensical on the level of trying to save the patient by killing them.

Given that I've very genuinely started to believe that we need a major societal collapse and rebuilding in order to save the country, an economic meltdown might not be the worlds worst thing.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:20 am

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:That is unfortunate. Most Brexiteers I know and hear of are very clear. Clean break on WTO terms, give the frog munchers the bow fingers and be on our way ho ho.

That still isn't a clean break.

A clean break would that, plus the automatic repeal of any and every law even remotely influenced by the EU/ECHR/etc, plus automatic deportation of every EU citizen that has come over to work here.


That would take months, if not years to deport all those.

And good, EU citizens that are not working there can stay?
The Blaatschapen should resign

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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:21 am

Eastfield Lodge wrote:the automatic repeal of any and every law even remotely influenced by the EU/ECHR/etc


oof that would be a fun day
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:24 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Sounds like a good way to create economic chaos, as it'd tank the economy to trade on WTO terms.

I generally disregard responses from Brexiteers that are nonsensical on the level of trying to save the patient by killing them.

Given that I've very genuinely started to believe that we need a major societal collapse and rebuilding in order to save the country, an economic meltdown might not be the worlds worst thing.

I find that the people who seem to wish most for societal collapse are the ones who are likely to be the first to meet an ignominious and untimely end in the new order.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:29 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Given that I've very genuinely started to believe that we need a major societal collapse and rebuilding in order to save the country, an economic meltdown might not be the worlds worst thing.

I find that the people who seem to wish most for societal collapse are the ones who are likely to be the first to meet an ignominious and untimely end in the new order.

Depends what form the new order takes.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:36 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Given that I've very genuinely started to believe that we need a major societal collapse and rebuilding in order to save the country, an economic meltdown might not be the worlds worst thing.


Do you also want a return of the plague, and a major flu epidemic? Maybe an ice age? Raining frogs? Boils...
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:41 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Given that I've very genuinely started to believe that we need a major societal collapse and rebuilding in order to save the country, an economic meltdown might not be the worlds worst thing.


Do you also want a return of the plague, and a major flu epidemic? Maybe an ice age? Raining frogs? Boils...

Some people just want to watch the world burn. Sure, they start out with reasons for it, but inevitably the burning becomes its own reason.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:50 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Do you also want a return of the plague, and a major flu epidemic? Maybe an ice age? Raining frogs? Boils...

Some people just want to watch the world burn. Sure, they start out with reasons for it, but inevitably the burning becomes its own reason.


We do it the modern way, through global warming :)
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:59 am

A new poll out today says a majority (53%) want to Leave.

So much for THE TIDE IS TURNING.

Remainers on zueyzide watch.
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:02 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:A new poll out today says a majority (53%) want to Leave.

So much for THE TIDE IS TURNING.

Remainers on zueyzide watch.


i already posted it my friend, thank you for your concern
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:05 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:A new poll out today says a majority (53%) want to Leave.

So much for THE TIDE IS TURNING.

Remainers on zueyzide watch.


i already posted it my friend, thank you for your concern


Winners' rules dictate that any pro-leave poll has to be repeated once a page for the next 5 so our egos can be stroked sufficiently.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:10 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Given that I've very genuinely started to believe that we need a major societal collapse and rebuilding in order to save the country, an economic meltdown might not be the worlds worst thing.


Do you also want a return of the plague, and a major flu epidemic? Maybe an ice age? Raining frogs? Boils...

Raining frogs sounds fun...you can have the boils thanks though
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:41 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Do you also want a return of the plague, and a major flu epidemic? Maybe an ice age? Raining frogs? Boils...

Raining frogs sounds fun...you can have the boils thanks though

You do realise that the frogs won't all be Pepe, right?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:49 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:A new poll out today says a majority (53%) want to Leave.

So much for THE TIDE IS TURNING.

Remainers on zueyzide watch.


One poll.

What's the current average?

Also nice to see you think we should treat suicide as a joke. How utterly disgusting.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:54 am

Vassenor wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:A new poll out today says a majority (53%) want to Leave.

So much for THE TIDE IS TURNING.

Remainers on zueyzide watch.


One poll.

What's the current average?


The same as it was the day before. And the week before. And the fortnight before. And the month before. And the year before. And two years before.

A remain lead of 2-4%.

Vassenor wrote:Also nice to see you think we should treat suicide as a joke. How utterly disgusting.


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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:41 am

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:47 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Raining frogs sounds fun...you can have the boils thanks though

You do realise that the frogs won't all be Pepe, right?


Pepe is dead anyway :)
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:53 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:You do realise that the frogs won't all be Pepe, right?

Pepe is dead anyway :)

His creator made it so, once he saw the vile corruption inflicted upon his brainchild by the dregs of the internet.


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Postby Ifreann » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:53 am

Minister for Health Matt Hancock appeared in a two page newspaper ad endorsing private healthcare provider Babylon.

The man in charge of the NHS is promoting private healthcare.

That is just pure, unadulterated Tory.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:00 am

Ifreann wrote:Minister for Health Matt Hancock appeared in a two page newspaper ad endorsing private healthcare provider Babylon.

The man in charge of the NHS is promoting private healthcare.

That is just pure, unadulterated Tory.

For which he is accused of breaking the Ministerial code.

Is anyone surprised? Anybody?

I know it's the HuffPost. Currently, the only other source is the Daily Mail or the Mirror and I... I just can't
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:11 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:You do realise that the frogs won't all be Pepe, right?


Pepe is dead anyway :)

The actual cases of raining frogs usually involves dead frogs, so...
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Wave on, wave on
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