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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
126
16%
Labour
229
30%
Liberal Democrats
130
17%
Greens
39
5%
UKIP
135
18%
SNP
26
3%
Plaid Cymru
7
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
27
4%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
35
5%
 
Total votes : 766

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:29 am

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The New California Republic wrote:Trust me, we do. We have pro-choice legislation to get through Parliament, to bring NI in line with the rest of the UK, but that can't happen at the moment with the negotiations clogging up the gears of the system. Sure, said gears move slowly at the best of times, but it is better than the complete standstill that sums up the current state of affairs...


Northern Ireland has its own assembly.

Well aware. Human rights is not a devolved issue, so Westminster can intervene.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:32 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
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It should be disbanded.



Northern Ireland has its own assembly.

You want to disband the United Kingdom Supreme Court? And replace it with what?


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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:33 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:

Northern Ireland has its own assembly.

Well aware. Human rights is not a devolved issue, so Westminster can intervene.


Abortion is not a human right.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:35 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Well aware. Human rights is not a devolved issue, so Westminster can intervene.


Abortion is not a human right.


Reproductive rights are human rights.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:35 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
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Abortion is not a human right.


Reproductive rights are human rights.


That's just your opinion.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:39 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Reproductive rights are human rights.


That's just your opinion.


Well, so was your statement *facepalms*
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:41 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Reproductive rights are human rights.


That's just your opinion.

And the opinion of the European Court of Human Rights
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:46 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
That's just your opinion.

And the opinion of the European Court of Human Rights

I was under the impression that the opinion of the ECHR was that the right to life didn't cover unborn life, rather than that abortion was a human right in itself
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:47 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Well aware. Human rights is not a devolved issue, so Westminster can intervene.


Abortion is not a human right.

Reproductive rights, which abortion is part of, most definitely are; and it is likely that Parliament would take that position too if push came to shove.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:53 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:And the opinion of the European Court of Human Rights

I was under the impression that the opinion of the ECHR was that the right to life didn't cover unborn life, rather than that abortion was a human right in itself

They hold both of those opinions, and it is necessary to have the first opinion in order to have the second. The ECHR ruled that in some cases (not all) there is a right to abortion in order to save the life of the mother, and if countries have some abortion laws in place, they should make those easily accessible.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:02 am

We should just sell Northern Ireland to the Republic. Problem solved.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:06 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We should just sell Northern Ireland to the Republic. Problem solved.
Sell it to me, nothing bad could ever happen.


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:08 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We should just sell Northern Ireland to the Republic. Problem solved.
Sell it to me, nothing bad could ever happen.


500 million million drachmae


Maybe the Dutch would like to put in a bid.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:09 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Sell it to me, nothing bad could ever happen.


500 million million drachmae


Maybe the Dutch would like to put in a bid.

Fuck the dutch, literally and figuratively! Mainly the latter!

The North is mine, by rights.

The rights of the rules that i just made up.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:10 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Sell it to me, nothing bad could ever happen.


500 million million drachmae


Maybe the Dutch would like to put in a bid.

60 tulips and a lovely pair of clogs for the Prime Minister to frolic in the fields with.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:14 am

We should have a referendum with the question "Do you want the country to continue being held to ransom by a bunch of shouty bigots".
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:19 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Maybe the Dutch would like to put in a bid.

Fuck the dutch, literally and figuratively! Mainly the latter!

The North is mine, by rights.

The rights of the rules that i just made up.


Eh, I suppose there are worse outcomes than having NI become Huskar Social Union's personal tinpot dictatorship/playground. :D
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:20 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
That's just your opinion.

And the opinion of the European Court of Human Rights


But not of the British Government.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:21 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We should have a referendum with the question "Do you want the country to continue being held to ransom by a bunch of shouty bigots".


We already did - in June 2016 the answer was no.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:22 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We should have a referendum with the question "Do you want the country to continue being held to ransom by a bunch of shouty bigots".


We already did - in June 2016 the answer was no.


They asked the wrong question.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:24 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We should have a referendum with the question "Do you want the country to continue being held to ransom by a bunch of shouty bigots".


We already did - in June 2016 the answer was no.


More like the answer was "we should give the shouty bigots everything they want".
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:25 am

Chan Island wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Fuck the dutch, literally and figuratively! Mainly the latter!

The North is mine, by rights.

The rights of the rules that i just made up.


Eh, I suppose there are worse outcomes than having NI become Huskar Social Union's personal tinpot dictatorship/playground. :D

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:31 am

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:45 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:And the opinion of the European Court of Human Rights


But not of the British Government.

The British Government is bound by the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights. The British Government agreed to that by signing and ratifying the European Convention of Human Rights.
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:49 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:And the opinion of the European Court of Human Rights


But not of the British Government.


british government are insane cunts who cares
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