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If a general election were held today who would you vote for?

Conservatives
126
16%
Labour
229
30%
Liberal Democrats
130
17%
Greens
39
5%
UKIP
135
18%
SNP
26
3%
Plaid Cymru
7
1%
Sinn Fein/SDLP
27
4%
DUP/UUP
12
2%
Other
35
5%
 
Total votes : 766

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:21 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:Wage growth has hit its highest point since 2008. Britain's wages are growing faster than any other Western EU economy, and are 2nd fastest in the G7 after the US.

Fucking Brexit.


Coincidentally, wages are growing fastest in the hospitality and construction industries, by over 10% each, in coincidence with the fact that EU migration has plummeted. But correlation =/= causation I'm sure.

Yeah, Brexit, that thing that has happened whereby the UK has already left the UK.

What's that?

Brexit still in the future?

Shucks.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:04 am

Can we have Robert Greene from Upstart Crow as Bercow's replacement?
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:40 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:Wage growth has hit its highest point since 2008. Britain's wages are growing faster than any other Western EU economy, and are 2nd fastest in the G7 after the US.

Fucking Brexit.


Coincidentally, wages are growing fastest in the hospitality and construction industries, by over 10% each, in coincidence with the fact that EU migration has plummeted. But correlation =/= causation I'm sure.

Yeah, Brexit, that thing that has happened whereby the UK has already left the UK.

What's that?

Brexit still in the future?

Shucks.


Why is investment falling and why are prices rising?

Don't tell me it's to do with something that hasn't happened yet, I'll laugh you out of the room.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:09 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Can we have Robert Greene from Upstart Crow as Bercow's replacement?

Can we have Robert Green, the shit goaly as his replacement instead?
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:14 am

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*Aggressive yawn*

*Sexual yawn*

I really don't see how that is news. They could have focused on his speech related to the drought that is currently affecting the country, but no, beard fondlings are more newsworthy it seems.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:24 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
*Aggressive yawn*

*Sexual yawn*

I really don't see how that is news. They could have focused on his speech related to the drought that is currently affecting the country, but no, beard fondlings are more newsworthy it seems.


The drought got about three lines, between Megans baking and clothing choice. Quality reporting!
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Is that headline rubbing you the wrong way?
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:00 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
The lack of axis labels for the average earnings line is really annoying.


The percentage rate applies to both measurements.


Ah, so it's the label that's wrong: that's not a graph of average earnings. It's a graph of the derivative of average earnings.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:56 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
The percentage rate applies to both measurements.


Ah, so it's the label that's wrong: that's not a graph of average earnings. It's a graph of the derivative of average earnings.


It's a standard graph of rate of change in the nominal average earnings. It's about as basic and universal as it gets. The labels are fine.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:04 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Ah, so it's the label that's wrong: that's not a graph of average earnings. It's a graph of the derivative of average earnings.


It's a standard graph of rate of change in the nominal average earnings. It's about as basic and universal as it gets. The labels are fine.


No they aren't. It's claiming to be graphing average earnings, but actually graphing rate of change of average earnings.
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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:48 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
It's a standard graph of rate of change in the nominal average earnings. It's about as basic and universal as it gets. The labels are fine.


No they aren't. It's claiming to be graphing average earnings, but actually graphing rate of change of average earnings.


Why are you being obtuse over nothing?

They are saving space. Someone would have to be especially mentally challenged to interpret that graph as average earnings swinging between one to four pounds a year.

The percentage symbol clearly implies rate of change. No need for further clarification.

Besides, if you want to get pedantic or play over semantics, why is "average earnings" there? Average earnings of what? Just wages? Does that include all earnings? Does that include all employees or just full-time ones? Does it include bonuses or benefits in kind? What is inflation? Is it RPI or CPI? Is it CPI excluding oil?

Perhaps the graph should have said
"Rate of change of salary-earnings (inclusive of overtime) excluding bonuses and monetary value of benefits in kind of all persons employed on part-time and full-time basis excluding employees at sea" to better reflect the true definition of 'average earnings' in this context. But I doubt they had enough space in the graph.
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Postby Kavagrad » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:52 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:Perhaps the graph should have said
"Rate of change of salary-earnings (inclusive of overtime) excluding bonuses and monetary value of benefits in kind of all persons employed on part-time and full-time basis excluding employees at sea" to better reflect the true definition of 'average earnings' in this context. But I doubt they had enough space in the graph.


Maybe they could've done it in a small font
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:33 am

Perhaps we could extend the transition period indefinitely.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:44 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Perhaps we could extend the transition period indefinitely.


Not an option.

The EU wants to move on, rather than indefinitely have talks on the British departure.
Also, British politics wants to move on at a certain point, I guess. Maybe. Perhaps.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:59 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Perhaps we could extend the transition period indefinitely.


Not an option.

The EU wants to move on, rather than indefinitely have talks on the British departure.
Also, British politics wants to move on at a certain point, I guess. Maybe. Perhaps.

Trust me, we do. We have pro-choice legislation to get through Parliament, to bring NI in line with the rest of the UK, but that can't happen at the moment with the negotiations clogging up the gears of the system. Sure, said gears move slowly at the best of times, but it is better than the complete standstill that sums up the current state of affairs...
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:04 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Not an option.

The EU wants to move on, rather than indefinitely have talks on the British departure.
Also, British politics wants to move on at a certain point, I guess. Maybe. Perhaps.

Trust me, we do. We have pro-choice legislation to get through Parliament, to bring NI in line with the rest of the UK, but that can't happen at the moment with the negotiations clogging up the gears of the system. Sure, said gears move slowly at the best of times, but it is better than the complete standstill that sums up the current state of affairs...


The clogging still has to get a lot worse before it gets better, though. For every piece of EU legislation Parliament will have to see if they keep current protections, if they increase them, or if they lessen those protections. Lessening those protections is basically what Brexit was about, but it is not going to be popular. In the end, I think very little is going to change for the UK internally, other than that there is no redress to the European Court of Justice and the UKSC will have a crack at all that law.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:15 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Trust me, we do. We have pro-choice legislation to get through Parliament, to bring NI in line with the rest of the UK, but that can't happen at the moment with the negotiations clogging up the gears of the system. Sure, said gears move slowly at the best of times, but it is better than the complete standstill that sums up the current state of affairs...


The clogging still has to get a lot worse before it gets better, though. For every piece of EU legislation Parliament will have to see if they keep current protections, if they increase them, or if they lessen those protections. Lessening those protections is basically what Brexit was about, but it is not going to be popular. In the end, I think very little is going to change for the UK internally, other than that there is no redress to the European Court of Justice and the UKSC will have a crack at all that law.


It should be disbanded.

The New California Republic wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Not an option.

The EU wants to move on, rather than indefinitely have talks on the British departure.
Also, British politics wants to move on at a certain point, I guess. Maybe. Perhaps.

Trust me, we do. We have pro-choice legislation to get through Parliament, to bring NI in line with the rest of the UK, but that can't happen at the moment with the negotiations clogging up the gears of the system. Sure, said gears move slowly at the best of times, but it is better than the complete standstill that sums up the current state of affairs...


Northern Ireland has its own assembly.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:16 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Trust me, we do. We have pro-choice legislation to get through Parliament, to bring NI in line with the rest of the UK, but that can't happen at the moment with the negotiations clogging up the gears of the system. Sure, said gears move slowly at the best of times, but it is better than the complete standstill that sums up the current state of affairs...


The clogging still has to get a lot worse before it gets better, though. For every piece of EU legislation Parliament will have to see if they keep current protections, if they increase them, or if they lessen those protections. Lessening those protections is basically what Brexit was about, but it is not going to be popular. In the end, I think very little is going to change for the UK internally, other than that there is no redress to the European Court of Justice and the UKSC will have a crack at all that law.

Of course. I am under no illusions about the magnitude of the ripples that will continue to affect the political system for a decade or more. I just hope that we can at least have some return to normality, or some vague semblance of it. It is sad that I am actually wishing for a return to the petty politicking of yesteryear...
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:20 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Not an option.

The EU wants to move on, rather than indefinitely have talks on the British departure.
Also, British politics wants to move on at a certain point, I guess. Maybe. Perhaps.

Trust me, we do. We have pro-choice legislation to get through Parliament, to bring NI in line with the rest of the UK, but that can't happen at the moment with the negotiations clogging up the gears of the system. Sure, said gears move slowly at the best of times, but it is better than the complete standstill that sums up the current state of affairs...


So the end goal of breaking political deadlock is for an attack on unborn children? I'd have hoped we were better than this, obviously hoping for anything about UK politicians is ridiculous.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:21 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The clogging still has to get a lot worse before it gets better, though. For every piece of EU legislation Parliament will have to see if they keep current protections, if they increase them, or if they lessen those protections. Lessening those protections is basically what Brexit was about, but it is not going to be popular. In the end, I think very little is going to change for the UK internally, other than that there is no redress to the European Court of Justice and the UKSC will have a crack at all that law.


It should be disbanded.

The New California Republic wrote:Trust me, we do. We have pro-choice legislation to get through Parliament, to bring NI in line with the rest of the UK, but that can't happen at the moment with the negotiations clogging up the gears of the system. Sure, said gears move slowly at the best of times, but it is better than the complete standstill that sums up the current state of affairs...


Northern Ireland has its own assembly.

You want to disband the United Kingdom Supreme Court? And replace it with what?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:22 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Trust me, we do. We have pro-choice legislation to get through Parliament, to bring NI in line with the rest of the UK, but that can't happen at the moment with the negotiations clogging up the gears of the system. Sure, said gears move slowly at the best of times, but it is better than the complete standstill that sums up the current state of affairs...


So the end goal of breaking political deadlock is for an attack on unborn children? I'd have hoped we were better than this, obviously hoping for anything about UK politicians is ridiculous.

Fetuses. Not children.

But that is a discussion for the abortion thread.
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