UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Fartsniffage]

They're not celibate celebs? Disgraceful!

Oh, God, it's awful. Let's not abolish politics.

At least politicians are utterly sexless.

BoJo nailed a bird on the Nelson Desk. He should have been flogged past the fleet for that....

[Ifreann]

At least politicians are utterly sexless.

BoJo nailed a bird on the Nelson Desk. He should have been flogged past the fleet for that....

Your words will haunt my nightmares.

[Neu Leonstein]

Even hybrid systems suffer the same problem; look at Australia's legislature for instance.

In what sense is Australia using a hybrid electoral system? The FPTP problem still exists for both houses, even if the upper house is a bit different to account for federalism. If you want better ways of doing a parliamentary system, you could do worse than Germany, where they just create additional non-geographic seats to make the proportions in parliament correspond with what people voted for. It's not like Westminster politicians actually represent the constituents in their specific seats in practice - the existence of centralised political parties makes that virtually impossible.

[The New California Republic]

At least politicians are utterly sexless.

BoJo nailed a bird on the Nelson Desk. He should have been flogged past the fleet for that....

*Reaching for the brain bleach*

[Souseiseki]

huh it turns out that the majority of human trafficking in the UK and internationally is done for the purposes of manual or domestic labour and anywhere between 20-40% of victims in the UK are men depending on which year's statistics are knew. i knew the numbers used by many organizations and politicians were inflated or incorrect, but i missed that entirely. for some reason, this is almost never mentioned in the media and the resources that are allocated to fight human trafficking are mostly to fight sex trafficking.

hmm.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

At least politicians are utterly sexless.

BoJo nailed a bird on the Nelson Desk. He should have been flogged past the fleet for that....

Was it a pigeon?

huh it turns out that the majority of human trafficking in the UK and internationally is done for the purposes of manual or domestic labour and anywhere between 20-40% of victims in the UK are men depending on which year's statistics are knew. i knew the numbers used by many organizations and politicians were inflated or incorrect, but i missed that entirely. for some reason, this is almost never mentioned in the media and the resources that are allocated to fight human trafficking are mostly to fight sex trafficking.

hmm.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I've seen media reports about modern slavery in hand car washes, agricultural labour (something that will need watching closely because of labour shortages caused by Brexit), cannabis factories, cleaning work, tarmacking gangs, and nail bars.

[Vassenor]

huh it turns out that the majority of human trafficking in the UK and internationally is done for the purposes of manual or domestic labour and anywhere between 20-40% of victims in the UK are men depending on which year's statistics are knew. i knew the numbers used by many organizations and politicians were inflated or incorrect, but i missed that entirely. for some reason, this is almost never mentioned in the media and the resources that are allocated to fight human trafficking are mostly to fight sex trafficking.

hmm.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

It's almost like we have a government packed to the rafters with people who benefit from the exploitation of cheap imported labour.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

huh it turns out that the majority of human trafficking in the UK and internationally is done for the purposes of manual or domestic labour and anywhere between 20-40% of victims in the UK are men depending on which year's statistics are knew. i knew the numbers used by many organizations and politicians were inflated or incorrect, but i missed that entirely. for some reason, this is almost never mentioned in the media and the resources that are allocated to fight human trafficking are mostly to fight sex trafficking.

hmm.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

It's almost like we have a government packed to the rafters with people who benefit from the exploitation of cheap imported labour.

Well no we probably don't. I find it very unlikely a politician would traffic people for below-minimum wage work, as if they got caught, that's their career over. It has very little benefit to the politician involved and a massive amount of risk. Minimum wage isn't particularly high.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

BoJo nailed a bird on the Nelson Desk. He should have been flogged past the fleet for that....

*Reaching for the brain bleach*

It won't work, for some things brain toilet duck is needed.

[Vassenor]

It's almost like we have a government packed to the rafters with people who benefit from the exploitation of cheap imported labour.

Well no we probably don't. I find it very unlikely a politician would traffic people for below-minimum wage work, as if they got caught, that's their career over. It has very little benefit to the politician involved and a massive amount of risk. Minimum wage isn't particularly high.

"Benefit from" =/= "engaged in".

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Well no we probably don't. I find it very unlikely a politician would traffic people for below-minimum wage work, as if they got caught, that's their career over. It has very little benefit to the politician involved and a massive amount of risk. Minimum wage isn't particularly high.

"Benefit from" =/= "engaged in".

So I'll go through the examples a few posts up:
Hand Car washes: If they can't afford decent professional car valets, they're probably not senior enough to be making the decisions.
Agricultural labour: Fair, I guess, but it's just as true that you or I likely benefit from that.
Canabis factories: Well, we don't know. It's very likely that some use it, but I highly doubt it's a large number of senior politicians.
Cleaning work: Vaguely possible but unlikely. As I said before, the media scandal about a politician employing a cleaner at below minimum wage would be incredible if it got out.
Tarmacking gangs: No
Nail Bars: Their aren't a great deal of female politicians in high office, and I'm sure those that are (and the wives of the male ones) can afford to get the sort of nail service which comes to your house, or use a reputable company.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I think the Daily Mash might actually have come up with a viable solution to the problems with G4S

Could we run the prison if we called ourselves a business ask prisoners

[The Huskar Social Union]

Fianna Fail and SDLP in negotiations for merger

Fianna Fáil is to take over the SDLP and contest elections in Northern Ireland as part of merger being discussed at the highest levels of the parties.

The mooted move would see the two initially stand on a joint platform for next spring’s local and European elections, as part of a phased process which would eventually bring both under the Fianna Fáil banner.

The merger would also involve other figures from the constitutional nationalist tradition in an attempt to ensure there is no friction between the Fianna Fáil and SDLP camps. These figures are described as prominent individuals from the North and the aim is to ensure the merger is wider than just a coming together of parties.

Talks are ongoing between Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin, SDLP leader Colum Eastwood and senior officials. The parties have talked about co-operating in the past, but the latest talks are characterised as the most serious yet.

Seems the rumours were true after all, now to see if it actually happens.

[Imperializt Russia]

"Benefit from" =/= "engaged in".

So I'll go through the examples a few posts up:
Hand Car washes: If they can't afford decent professional car valets, they're probably not senior enough to be making the decisions.
Agricultural labour: Fair, I guess, but it's just as true that you or I likely benefit from that.
Canabis factories: Well, we don't know. It's very likely that some use it, but I highly doubt it's a large number of senior politicians.
Cleaning work: Vaguely possible but unlikely. As I said before, the media scandal about a politician employing a cleaner at below minimum wage would be incredible if it got out.
Tarmacking gangs: No
Nail Bars: Their aren't a great deal of female politicians in high office, and I'm sure those that are (and the wives of the male ones) can afford to get the sort of nail service which comes to your house, or use a reputable company.

Again, to benefit from is not the same as to engage in.

Here is the most pertinent point you make:
"Agricultural labour: Fair, I guess, but it's just as true that you or I likely benefit from that."
Yes, politicians benefit from cheap migrant, potential slave, labour the same way we do - abundance of agricultural supply at low prices.

Politicians have the added benefit of being able to slosh in on the profits made from this, unlike us proles.

[Chan Island]

At least politicians are utterly sexless.

BoJo nailed a bird on the Nelson Desk. He should have been flogged past the fleet for that....

Grim.

[The New California Republic]

I think the Daily Mash might actually have come up with a viable solution to the problems with G4S

Could we run the prison if we called ourselves a business ask prisoners

Fucking lol.

[Ifreann]

I think the Daily Mash might actually have come up with a viable solution to the problems with G4S

Could we run the prison if we called ourselves a business ask prisoners

Seize the means of incarceration!

[The Huskar Social Union]

I think the Daily Mash might actually have come up with a viable solution to the problems with G4S

Could we run the prison if we called ourselves a business ask prisoners

Seize the means of incarceration!

Every Man a Jail Warden!

[Thyerata]

Jeremy Corbyn is continuing to be as incompetent af

[Freezic Vast]

Jeremy Corbyn is continuing to be as incompetent af

What is he doing/saying now?

[Thyerata]

Jeremy Corbyn is continuing to be as incompetent af

What is he doing/saying now?

Anti-Semitism, visiting (and laying a wreath at) the memorial to the Black September terrorists, and he's effectively sponsoring (or, he isn't disciplining) Chris Williamson who is MP for Derby North and a pro-Assad shill

[Vassenor]

What is he doing/saying now?

Anti-Semitism, visiting (and laying a wreath at) the memorial to the Black September terrorists, and he's effectively sponsoring (or, he isn't disciplining) Chris Williamson who is MP for Derby North and a pro-Assad shill

You mean shit we've already covered and debunked in this thread?

[Questers]

What is he doing/saying now?

Anti-Semitism, visiting (and laying a wreath at) the memorial to the Black September terrorists, and he's effectively sponsoring (or, he isn't disciplining) Chris Williamson who is MP for Derby North and a pro-Assad shill

Jeremy Corbyn is "doing" anti-semitism. Is that like how people "snort" marijuana?

He laid a wreath at a Palestinian military war grave. Who cares.

Finally: Bashar al Assad is the good guy.

[Questers]

Even hybrid systems suffer the same problem; look at Australia's legislature for instance.

In what sense is Australia using a hybrid electoral system? The FPTP problem still exists for both houses, even if the upper house is a bit different to account for federalism. If you want better ways of doing a parliamentary system, you could do worse than Germany, where they just create additional non-geographic seats to make the proportions in parliament correspond with what people voted for. It's not like Westminster politicians actually represent the constituents in their specific seats in practice - the existence of centralised political parties makes that virtually impossible.

It's instant runoff voting, so it's not exactly the same thing as our model, but it's also not pr, so that's why I said it was a hybrid.

[Dooom35796821595]

Anti-Semitism, visiting (and laying a wreath at) the memorial to the Black September terrorists, and he's effectively sponsoring (or, he isn't disciplining) Chris Williamson who is MP for Derby North and a pro-Assad shill

Jeremy Corbyn is "doing" anti-semitism. Is that like how people "snort" marijuana?

He laid a wreath at a Palestinian military war grave. Who cares.

Finally: Bashar al Assad is the good guy.

He’s “doing” Hypocrisy, it’s just being portrayed as antisemitism and pro terrorist and Corbins team is failing to counter the terrible optics.

And why was he there doing that? As a UK back bench MP, he has little defense. Probably, because he never thought he’d be relevant, yet alone shadow PM.