UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[United Massachusetts]

Soldiers of destiny sounds like one of the cornier power metal songs.

Honestly they all sound like song names

Sinn Fein means We Ourselves, not just ourselves.

[Ostroeuropa]

Plenty of our left wing elites, including Sadiq Khan, said nothing as the anti-gay emir of Qatar visited, despite his tantrums over Trump, demonstrating the lack of sincere principles compared to merely following a media narrative, and the Islamophilic tendency of our media narratives about prejudice, backwardness, and oppression.

This is the kind of thing that leads people to think that the criticism of Trump is done in order to shill for Islam.

Qatar is a country that has a dismal human rights record, has 26,000+ documented human rights violations, harbours and finances terrorists, discriminates against women and has laws that still make homosexuality illegal.

I think it can be concluded that the politicians and journalists involved in this anti-trump backlash don't actually give a fuck, and are merely responding to controversies by virtue signalling instead of actually taking a stand on a principle.

Or, perhaps, it is a sign of the rot progressive mentalities have foisted upon the country, and the lack of willingness to recognize and criticize prejudice from anyone but white males.

[Ifreann]

Fine Gael would definitely do better with conservative nationalist voters than Fianna Fail would, but i dont think either would honestly make much headyway up here, Sinn Fein has Republicanism locked down, dont know if another Republican Party would do well, though it would stand as an alternative.

Yeah, irish political names sound so much better in irish than they do english.

Fine Gael means "Tribe of the Irish"
Sinn Fein means "Ourselves"

Soldiers of destiny sounds like one of the cornier power metal songs.

The new album by Sabaton, "Soldiers Of Destiny".

[The Huskar Social Union]

Honestly they all sound like song names

Sinn Fein means We Ourselves, not just ourselves.

It can mean either honestly.

[Betoni]

Plenty of our left wing elites, including Sadiq Khan, said nothing as the anti-gay emir of Qatar visited, despite his tantrums over Trump, demonstrating the lack of sincere principles compared to merely following a media narrative, and the Islamophilic tendency of our media narratives about prejudice, backwardness, and oppression.

This is the kind of thing that leads people to think that the criticism of Trump is done in order to shill for Islam.

Qatar is a country that has a dismal human rights record, has 26,000+ documented human rights violations, harbours and finances terrorists, discriminates against women and has laws that still make homosexuality illegal.

I think it can be concluded that the politicians and journalists involved in this anti-trump backlash don't actually give a fuck, and are merely responding to controversies by virtue signalling instead of actually taking a stand on a principle.

Or, perhaps, it is a sign of the rot progressive mentalities have foisted upon the country, and the lack of willingness to recognize and criticize prejudice from anyone but white males.

I know a couple of notable feminists and progressives you have said nothing about, despite your numerous tantrums on the subject, demonstrating the lack of sincere principles, compared to merely following a personal twisted narrative. This is the kind of thing that leads people to think that your criticism of feminism is done to shill for misogyny.

I think it can be concluded that some posters involved in this anti-feminism backlash don't actually give a fuck, and are merely responding to imagined controversies by virtue signaling instead of actually taking a stand on principle.

Or, perhaps, it is a sing of the rot.. oh sod it.

[Vassenor]

So what's this I'm hearing about JRM admitting that it'll take the better part of a half century before we see any benefits of Brexit?

[Ostroeuropa]

Plenty of our left wing elites, including Sadiq Khan, said nothing as the anti-gay emir of Qatar visited, despite his tantrums over Trump, demonstrating the lack of sincere principles compared to merely following a media narrative, and the Islamophilic tendency of our media narratives about prejudice, backwardness, and oppression.

This is the kind of thing that leads people to think that the criticism of Trump is done in order to shill for Islam.

Qatar is a country that has a dismal human rights record, has 26,000+ documented human rights violations, harbours and finances terrorists, discriminates against women and has laws that still make homosexuality illegal.

I think it can be concluded that the politicians and journalists involved in this anti-trump backlash don't actually give a fuck, and are merely responding to controversies by virtue signalling instead of actually taking a stand on a principle.

Or, perhaps, it is a sign of the rot progressive mentalities have foisted upon the country, and the lack of willingness to recognize and criticize prejudice from anyone but white males.

I know a couple of notable feminists and progressives you have said nothing about, despite your numerous tantrums on the subject, demonstrating the lack of sincere principles, compared to merely following a personal twisted narrative. This is the kind of thing that leads people to think that your criticism of feminism is done to shill for misogyny.

I think it can be concluded that some posters involved in this anti-feminism backlash don't actually give a fuck, and are merely responding to imagined controversies by virtue signaling instead of actually taking a stand on principle.

Or, perhaps, it is a sing of the rot.. oh sod it.

By all means, show me evidence of these prominent feminist journalists or politicians who condemned the visit and so on. If you can't, then your reversal of my criticism makes no actual sense and is merely snarl words.

Or is this more of a broad complaint? Which ones, by all means, show me a goodun.

[Betoni]

I know a couple of notable feminists and progressives you have said nothing about, despite your numerous tantrums on the subject, demonstrating the lack of sincere principles, compared to merely following a personal twisted narrative. This is the kind of thing that leads people to think that your criticism of feminism is done to shill for misogyny.

I think it can be concluded that some posters involved in this anti-feminism backlash don't actually give a fuck, and are merely responding to imagined controversies by virtue signaling instead of actually taking a stand on principle.

Or, perhaps, it is a sing of the rot.. oh sod it.

By all means, show me evidence of these prominent feminist journalists or politicians who condemned the visit and so on. If you can't, then your reversal of my criticism makes no actual sense and is merely snarl words.

Umh, the point of the reversal was to show how dumb it is to conclude, whatever it is you did, from the lack of condemnations.

[Ostroeuropa]

By all means, show me evidence of these prominent feminist journalists or politicians who condemned the visit and so on. If you can't, then your reversal of my criticism makes no actual sense and is merely snarl words.

Umh, the point of the reversal was to show how dumb it is to conclude, whatever it is you did, from the lack of condemnations.

The visit of a foreign head of state is not something that flies under the radar. Certainly not when he visits the city you are mayor of. The lack of condemnations speaks volumes, and I'm afraid I don't actually follow your logic where you're pointing out how it' s "dumb" to note that these people are not sincerely so affronted by trump that they feel the need to speak out against him, they are merely virtue signalling to the media.

Or, that they have been corrupted by bias against white males or in favor of muslims. There's not another explanation.

[Betoni]

Umh, the point of the reversal was to show how dumb it is to conclude, whatever it is you did, from the lack of condemnations.

The visit of a foreign head of state is not something that flies under the radar. Certainly not when he visits the city you are mayor of. The lack of condemnations speaks volumes, and I'm afraid I don't actually follow your logic where you're pointing out how it' s "dumb" to note that these people are not sincerely so affronted by trump that they feel the need to speak out against him, they are merely virtue signalling to the media.

Or, that they have been corrupted by bias against white males or in favor of muslims. There's not another explanation.

So, I guess my reversal holds true then.

[Ostroeuropa]

The visit of a foreign head of state is not something that flies under the radar. Certainly not when he visits the city you are mayor of. The lack of condemnations speaks volumes, and I'm afraid I don't actually follow your logic where you're pointing out how it' s "dumb" to note that these people are not sincerely so affronted by trump that they feel the need to speak out against him, they are merely virtue signalling to the media.

Or, that they have been corrupted by bias against white males or in favor of muslims. There's not another explanation.

So, I guess my reversal holds true then.

What the fuck are you talking about? Try and be coherent.
Which specific feminists do you think I need to acknowledge? You don't seem to understand these aren't just mean words i've strung together that you can rubber and glue about like a child, they're an argument about material facts.

I've been specific with you. The fact a terrorist supporting, gay imprisoning, massively misogynistic dictator came to london and there was no response or condemnation from the media or politicians, means their criticism of trump seems insincere.

[Vassenor]

By all means, show me evidence of these prominent feminist journalists or politicians who condemned the visit and so on. If you can't, then your reversal of my criticism makes no actual sense and is merely snarl words.

Umh, the point of the reversal was to show how dumb it is to conclude, whatever it is you did, from the lack of condemnations.

It's been standard conservative logic that any lack of sufficient explicit condemnation is a form of tacit support for a while now. Generally it involves the wider Muslim community being expected to loudly condemn any act of terrorism or else be considered a terrorist sympathiser.

[Ostroeuropa]

Umh, the point of the reversal was to show how dumb it is to conclude, whatever it is you did, from the lack of condemnations.

It's been standard conservative logic that any lack of sufficient explicit condemnation is a form of tacit support for a while now. Generally it involves the wider Muslim community being expected to loudly condemn any act of terrorism or else be considered a terrorist sympathiser.

This isn't merely right wing logic. The left does it too, just on different issues.
The problem is, this isn't merely an isolated incident, it's a trend of avoiding criticism of Islam and Muslim leaders, and we should analyze why this bias is present.

[Betoni]

So, I guess my reversal holds true then.

What the fuck are you talking about? Try and be coherent.
Which specific feminists do you think I need to acknowledge? You don't seem to understand these aren't just mean words i've strung together that you can rubber and glue about like a child, they're an argument about material facts.

I've been specific with you. The fact a terrorist supporting, gay imprisoning, massively misogynistic dictator came to london and there was no response or condemnation from the media or politicians, means their criticism of trump seems insincere.

Nah, I think I've been clear enough in pointing out the mistake in your conclusions, I doubt I could be any more clear on the subject. Have fun.

[Ostroeuropa]

What the fuck are you talking about? Try and be coherent.
Which specific feminists do you think I need to acknowledge? You don't seem to understand these aren't just mean words i've strung together that you can rubber and glue about like a child, they're an argument about material facts.

I've been specific with you. The fact a terrorist supporting, gay imprisoning, massively misogynistic dictator came to london and there was no response or condemnation from the media or politicians, means their criticism of trump seems insincere.

Nah, I think I've been clear enough in pointing out the mistake in your conclusions, I doubt I could be any more clear on the subject. Have fun.

I'm having a lot of fun laughing right now.
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So anyway. Rest of thread,

If our prime minister was gonna throw out an all-caps rage tweet, what would you think it would be?

[Dooom35796821595]

So what's this I'm hearing about JRM admitting that it'll take the better part of a half century before we see any benefits of Brexit?

Probably complete and utter BS. Like a politician can see five minutes into the future, let alone five decades.

[Fartsniffage]

So what's this I'm hearing about JRM admitting that it'll take the better part of a half century before we see any benefits of Brexit?

Probably complete and utter BS. Like a politician can see five minutes into the future, let alone five decades.

I'm about 80% sure Rees-Mogg is some kind of Victorian time traveller so it's possible he really does know....

[Ostroeuropa]

So what's this I'm hearing about JRM admitting that it'll take the better part of a half century before we see any benefits of Brexit?

Probably complete and utter BS. Like a politician can see five minutes into the future, let alone five decades.

To be fair, it's one of the only coherent positions on Brexit being beneficial. I personally think we could make it beneficial in the more mid-term of a decade or two if we took strong decisive action on several issues, but we won't get that.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Nah, I think I've been clear enough in pointing out the mistake in your conclusions, I doubt I could be any more clear on the subject. Have fun.

I'm having a lot of fun laughing right now.
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So anyway. Rest of thread,

If our prime minister was gonna throw out an all-caps rage tweet, what would you think it would be?

Incoherent rage about Boris Johnson not taking any in a wheatfield.

[Ifreann]

So what's this I'm hearing about JRM admitting that it'll take the better part of a half century before we see any benefits of Brexit?

To be fair, he was born 500 years ago, so that doesn't seem like long to him.

[Hurdergaryp]

I'm having a lot of fun laughing right now.
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So anyway. Rest of thread,

If our prime minister was gonna throw out an all-caps rage tweet, what would you think it would be?

Incoherent rage about Boris Johnson not taking any in a wheatfield.

Shouldn't follow Boris Johnson follow the example of Boris Jeltsin and stand atop a tank, speaking to the people about striking down the uprising against the Immaculate Brexit? Surely he can get the various military branches behind him, for the glory of sovereign Britain.

[The Anglo-American Commonwealth]

Plenty of our left wing elites, including Sadiq Khan, said nothing as the anti-gay emir of Qatar visited, despite his tantrums over Trump, demonstrating the lack of sincere principles compared to merely following a media narrative, and the Islamophilic tendency of our media narratives about prejudice, backwardness, and oppression.

This is the kind of thing that leads people to think that the criticism of Trump is done in order to shill for Islam.

Qatar is a country that has a dismal human rights record, has 26,000+ documented human rights violations, harbours and finances terrorists, discriminates against women and has laws that still make homosexuality illegal.

I think it can be concluded that the politicians and journalists involved in this anti-trump backlash don't actually give a fuck, and are merely responding to controversies by virtue signalling instead of actually taking a stand on a principle.

Or, perhaps, it is a sign of the rot progressive mentalities have foisted upon the country, and the lack of willingness to recognize and criticize prejudice from anyone but white males.

tbf, Trump is the leader of the most powerful nation in the world and one of the UK's closest allies. So I'm sure more Britons are aware of his policies and his words carry more weight.
But yes, if progressives want to be consistent, they should be condemning the Qatari government's human rights violations and that the emir was permitted to visit.

[Chan Island]

So what's this I'm hearing about JRM admitting that it'll take the better part of a half century before we see any benefits of Brexit?

(Sorry about putting the HuffPost here)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... ccounter=1

Basically, Moggy was being interviewed and the interviewer pressed him on what benefits there might be to Brexit, particularly in regards to the economy. The dinosaur responded by saying that the benefits are to come over the course of the next 50 years.

Yes, I know. Joy of joys to know that when I'm collecting my pension I'll look around and go "yes, we are now slightly richer than we would have been if we stayed".

[Major-Tom]

So what's this I'm hearing about JRM admitting that it'll take the better part of a half century before we see any benefits of Brexit?

(Sorry about putting the HuffPost here)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... ccounter=1

Basically, Moggy was being interviewed and the interviewer pressed him on what benefits there might be to Brexit, particularly in regards to the economy. The dinosaur responded by saying that the benefits are to come over the course of the next 50 years.

Yes, I know. Joy of joys to know that when I'm collecting my pension I'll look around and go "yes, we are now slightly richer than we would have been if we stayed".

The only reason, well, in my opinion, as to why people seem to like Rees Mogg is less his positions but more so his public persona. If supporters paid attention to his quips and comments more often, they'd realize he is just a clueless dude.

[Hydesland]

Jeremy Corbyn to highlight economic 'benefit' of Brexit

The main opposition party won't stop this, is it hopeless?