Vassenor wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
There's already evidence that teachers discriminate against boys, and the yougov polling on the most hated demographic shows that young white males are the most disliked demographic in the nation. Moreover there is no effort to encourage white males to aspire as they are portrayed as already in control and powerful, a fact that causes the progressive narrative to be a part of this systemic oppression of white males when you account for their lower levels of aspiration. Further, there's been efforts to fix low results in other demographics and they were clearly successful, failing to do so for white males for years because it made people upset their narrative was wrong is oppression. If it was another race or gender, they would have been helped out already.
Yes, and yes, that is an example of it in some cases. Guess what, we're trying to fix that and have been since it was pointed out.
So what is your evidence that the white working class male demographic was passed over for narrative reasons? And that said narrative is responsible for said lower levels of aspiration?
You literally just personally tried to argue that it was bad for the government to do this and focus on improving their levels of attainment for a while based on your belief in that narrative and implied it was racist/sexist of them to do so, and you're not the only progressive in existence, that's exactly the attitude that made this take so long. Is there a reason for that kind of duplicity? I notice you're ignoring me pointing out these things about your argument and rhetoric, so is there any reason I should take your request seriously rather than it merely being another instance of you gaslighting people?
If you routinely ignore when I point out the ways your statements/beliefs are racist and sexist and give you evidence for that, why should I think you'll behave any differently regarding evidence on a systemic level?
It's broadly the same type of evidence, you just refuse to engage with it.
How about the fact that the media isn't constantly crowing about the plight of working class white males in education? That's an example of institutional discrimination based in the narrative, and it has consequences for political and institutional pressure to fix the problem. The absence of discussion and awareness and the suppression of attempts to create it and vilification of those trying (like you tried just now) are part of the oppression.
Tell you what Vass, are you just implying that white males are stupider than everyone else and that explains it? Or is it more likely that the most hated demographic might be being discriminated against, and progressive narratives that they don't need help and are privileged (In spite of evidence to the contrary) has prevented assistance when and where they need it?
How many white or male groups are allowed to exist, operate, and lobby without constant demonization from the progressives? Groups that could have built up pressure on these kind of issues?
The evidence is there and i've pointed it out at length to you, but it doesn't matter, because as is clearly evident from your constant double standards, you aren't engaging seriously and are merely trying to downplay and erase the discrimination involved. There is no reason to believe you will be serious on the topic given that, and any evidence provided will never be enough for you because you're fully prepared to rationalize it away and not provide an alternate explanation for the facts, even though the only alternatives are explicit racism and sexism. You've routinely tried to argue that sexism and racism should remain in place, and routinely argued against recognizing it, even when the manner in which you do is inconsistent with your values elsewhere.
Basically, I don't see why I should bother taking this request of yours seriously. I've already given you evidence and you're deciding to ignore it.
