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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:20 am

Petrasylvania wrote:He's obviously worshipped as a god on this forum.


Edit: I can't tell if you are being ironic or engaging in your usual hyperbole tbh
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Postby Arlenton » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:35 am

Kormanthor wrote:Trump is the Blessing, Trudeau and Merkel are a bad joke where leaders are concerned.

Trudeau's a joke sure, but I wouldn't call Merkel a bad or weak leader.

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Postby Blood Wine » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:40 am

OP is comparing a republic to parliamentary systems, nice whataboutism though - classic trump move

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Also, I'm going to be laughing hard once the next poll is in and trump plunges far below 40% after this week
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Postby Aclion » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:43 am

I'm very skeptical of approval statistics. Not only because it's so easy to get a desired result but because it's so dependent on the context in which the poll is run. I expect you could ask the same person their opinion of Trump three times a month and for most people you'd get a different response every time.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:56 am

You mean democrats treat Trump the same way that republicans treated Obama? I’m shocked, shocked I say!
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:25 am

To be fair, you can't compare US and Euro approval ratings.

In America, there is a 2-party system, which means that the only important opposition is the Democrats.

Meanwhile, in Europe there is a lot more oppostion to deal with, even if the biggest two parties are the only serious competitors.
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:43 pm

He is massively popular except for a hand full of extremely vocal people.
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Postby The Hierophancy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:45 pm

Right wing humour squad wrote:He is massively popular except for a hand full of extremely vocal people.

I don't know if a little less than half of the American population is considered "massively popular" for a President.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:07 pm

The Evergreen Dreamscapes wrote:interesting that you leave out many trumpists' archnemesis angela merkel, with her solid majority approval rating


I'm not aware of any German opinion polls that look at approval ratings, so I don't use them.

Closest thing I found was "who should be Chancellor" and that's an entirely different question.

There are no polls in Germany which directly ask "do you approve or disapprove of Merkel's job as bundeskanzlerin"
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Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:18 pm

Some people like him here, some don't. It varies per state, but support for Trump nationwide is about 50% and growing at an average pace. And seeing how noticeable parts of his opposition are going absolutely crazy and not doing anything to brighten their image, it's probably going to keep growing for a while.
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Postby Cryptomypt » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:20 pm

Right wing humour squad wrote:He is massively popular except for a hand full of extremely vocal people.

among conservatives? i hope you're not talking about the united states as a whole.
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Postby Christmas Pudding » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:52 pm

You should use RCP or 538's polling averages for US polls, instead of picking individual polls.

You also can't really compare US and European politics (and thus, political polling), for the reasons you alluded to in the last part of your post.
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Postby Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:09 pm

Less polarization in non-USA countries=lower approval ratings as partisans aren't expected to line up between the Leader.
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Postby NERVUN » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:37 pm

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Ratateague wrote:Not that it conflicts with your point, but you're better off looking at an aggregate of polls, rather than just one. Otherwise, you're no better off than the politician that likes to cherrypick statistics to suit them. Trump himself loves the stray Rasmussen poll that paints a much rosier favorable rating than others. I would say give it a week or so, as these polls tend to lag a bit in public opinion. We might expect a dip from the unpopular separation policy.

538 is good for this too. With the comparison to other presidents at the bottom.

What's interesting to see, and of course what the OP tries so hard to gloss over, is that Trump has been remarkably unpopular consistently. His numbers haven't moved a whole hell of a lot (Nate Silver was complaining about that). They started out underwater and have stayed there. Other presidents (Within the modern era) have enjoyed at least a small bit of time where they were actually liked, Trump never has. He's had the lowest numbers of any modern president (And I'm gonna be interested to see next week's numbers.). What's weird about this is the economic numbers are good, President Obama during this time in his presidency was dealing with the Great Recession and a slow, sluggish recovery. Usually presidents enjoy at lest some glow from good economic numbers, Trump does not.

So we can say that he's remarkably unpopular.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:46 pm

Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders wrote:Less polarization in non-USA countries=lower approval ratings as partisans aren't expected to line up between the Leader.


Bless you if you think the UK is less partisan than the US.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:48 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders wrote:Less polarization in non-USA countries=lower approval ratings as partisans aren't expected to line up between the Leader.


Bless you if you think the UK is less partisan than the US.


Well we do shoot our politicians with far less frequency.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:02 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:He's obviously worshipped as a god on this forum.

Temples shall be constructed in His name.


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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:07 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:He's obviously worshipped as a god on this forum.

Temples shall be constructed in His name.


He wasn't willing to wait so he constructed his own. You can get well done steak with ketchup in their restaurants. :)

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Postby Empire of Narnia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:08 pm

I think he's a lot more popular than a lot of the polling says. I really don't put a lot of faith in polls. I've seen them be dramatically wrong for local elections in my area.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:12 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Temples shall be constructed in His name.

He wasn't willing to wait so he constructed his own. You can get well done steak with ketchup in their restaurants. :)

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:15 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:I think he's a lot more popular than a lot of the polling says. I really don't put a lot of faith in polls. I've seen them be dramatically wrong for local elections in my area.


Based on?

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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:16 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:He's obviously worshipped as a god on this forum.

Temples shall be constructed in His name.


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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:14 pm

We are in an era of negative politics.

So being less unliked is the best we can hope for

It seems to me that Trump is less unliked than Hillary Clinton.

When we ask about popularity, we should use an objective source such as Pew, avoid the mainstream media, and use head to head comparisons.

It would be fin to see an objective forced-choice comparison between pairs of major figures. I think Bernie would have beaten Hillary if that had been done. Then we can have the winners of that faceoff challenge each other, like the March Madness brackets. Finally we could know who is relatively more popular than whom.
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:37 pm

Generally, people I know tend to be supportive of him even if he's seen as a bit of a buffoon at times. I think they are also quite happy with the recent tax cuts and reforms to the tax code, which have helped small and mid-size businesses immensely.

The economy doing great also plays a big part in this sentiment, it is doing far better than any time in recent years and it is translating into some serious wage gains in my field. I think a lot of people feel as if there's a sense that this county is on the right track again after 16 lousy years under Bush and Obama. I was born in 1988 so I can't exactly speak about the Reagan years, but I think a lot of this sentiment is similar to the sense of relief and optimism people felt during the 1980's after the Vietnam years and stagflation in the 1970's. Plus, I think people like seeing someone who is unabashedly American and unwilling to back down or apologize and puts this country first.

I personally tend to be cautiously optimistic, but I am also greatly concerned about the rising national debt and the need to bring that under control. Cutting taxes like they did was a nice bump in my take-home pay, but we need to get our debt under control or it will lead to problems.
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Postby Frostnia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:50 pm

Lots of people hate Trump. Certainly the vast majority of Democrats, a good part of the public, even some Conservatives (although not too many)
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