How unpopular is Trump?

[Trumptonium1]

Generally, people I know tend to be supportive of him even if he's seen as a bit of a buffoon at times. I think they are also quite happy with the recent tax cuts and reforms to the tax code, which have helped small and mid-size businesses immensely.

The economy doing great also plays a big part in this sentiment, it is doing far better than any time in recent years and it is translating into some serious wage gains in my field. I think a lot of people feel as if there's a sense that this county is on the right track again after 16 lousy years under Bush and Obama. I was born in 1988 so I can't exactly speak about the Reagan years, but I think a lot of this sentiment is similar to the sense of relief and optimism people felt during the 1980's after the Vietnam years and stagflation in the 1970's. Plus, I think people like seeing someone who is unabashedly American and unwilling to back down or apologize and puts this country first.

I personally tend to be cautiously optimistic, but I am also greatly concerned about the rising national debt and the need to bring that under control. Cutting taxes like they did was a nice bump in my take-home pay, but we need to get our debt under control or it will lead to problems.

I lived through the Reagan years and have noted the similarities between him and Trump. Both inherited a mess caused by a series of mediocre predecessors culminating in a uniquely bad one. Both did/are doing well in fixing said messes. Both were very unpopular amongst the opposition (Trump far more so than Reagan). Hell, Trump even has his Space Force where Reagan had SDI.

Move the line 5 points down and you get Trump.

[Luna Amore]

I lived through the Reagan years and have noted the similarities between him and Trump. Both inherited a mess caused by a series of mediocre predecessors culminating in a uniquely bad one. Both did/are doing well in fixing said messes. Both were very unpopular amongst the opposition (Trump far more so than Reagan). Hell, Trump even has his Space Force where Reagan had SDI.

Move the line 5 points down and you get Trump.

No? And it'd more than 5 points. Trump hasn't had an approval rating above 50% yet.

Reagan at least enjoyed overall (over 50%) most of the time. Trump's closer to Ford if anyone.

You can actually see the comparison here. They don't look the same at all.

[Torisakia]

I have a deep feeling that many of the people who claim to not like Trump (around 25-35%) don't really know anything about the political and sociological world of the US and only say they don't like him because those who actually understood the political and sociological world of the US didn't like him and they just hopped on the bandwagon. It's like sports: someone who is knew to watching the NFL is told they have to hate the New England Patriots, even though they have no clue about anything in the league yet.

Is Trump unpopular? I would say it's about half and half (I'm from Alabama so my statistics are skewed). That seems to go with any president though. Half the population likes them, the other half doesn't.

tl;dr yes and no

[Blood Wine]

I love how Trumptonium1 is just ignoring the people calling him out for his apples to oranges comparison and offering no substantial rebuttals to any opposing views

[Hurdergaryp]

I love how Trumptonium1 is just ignoring the people calling him out for his apples to oranges comparison and offering no substantial rebuttals to any opposing views

That would defeat his purpose, which is a fate worse than death. Clearly it must be avoided at all cost.

[Greed and Death]

Trump is very unpopular, I think his evangelical base loath him.

That said I think he has surprising good odds at reelection and if Justice Kennedy does not retire soon his evangelical base will come out in droves to vote for him.

[The Frozen Forest]

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Wrong, its not the electoral system which is to fault, though it may be antique it is still effective. The blame if any happens to exist would be in the First Past the Post system we use, but that issue is a long-standing problem and you can't directly correlate that with a Trump/Hillary Victory because of Strategic Voting. Regarding your argument that an unpopular opponent can defeat a more unpopular opponent, i suppose your correct however trump holds between 30-45 percent popularity even by polls which were wrong before, arguably pro-liberal before. Come the next election, if he were to win then the argument that its just another more unpopular candidate falls flat.

No, i believe that your wrong. If you didn't believe in the candidates, either of them, then you simply didn't have to vote. If voter confidence in Hillary and the Democratic party was so low, then the end result is the same and popularity for Donald and the Republicans is irrelevant because they will win irregardless.

I "go on" about the polls to elaborate that they are now historically inaccurate. The whole measure of this topic is dealing with the unpopularity of trump, in which most sources are featuring polls as evidence. My argument is that they are not always accurate, evidence would support my case. I was not surprised by the outcome. My mention of surprise comes from the number of polls that listed it as a probable Hillary victory, thereby even though my own expectations were correct, it is technically a "surprise" victory, or an upset. Here's just a few articles i found that mention an upset or a surprise after the election.

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CNN
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My last argument was relevant to my argument and therefore relevant to the topic. Taking one chunk of an argument and saying that particular chunk is irrelevant doesn't make it so.

[Forsher]

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Wrong, its not the electoral system which is to fault, though it may be antique it is still effective. The blame if any happens to exist would be in the First Past the Post system we use,

Yes, that is a facet of the electoral system.

but that issue is a long-standing problem and you can't directly correlate that with a Trump/Hillary Victory because of Strategic Voting.

A failure of imagination. Unpopular candidates (e.g. Trump and Clinton) depress turnouts,* give people realistic options and then things turn out differently.

Most complaints about strategic voting are idiotic. You vote for the outcome you find most desirable. If that means you don't vote your preference in, say, two stage voting, so what? But presumably you're suggesting Strategic Voting would be why non-FPP systems can't be linked with Trump/Clinton. But the truth is that if you get the cynics to turn up, and they're biased one way or the other...

*Well, that stands to reason anyway.

Regarding your argument that an unpopular opponent can defeat a more unpopular opponent, i suppose your correct however trump holds between 30-45 percent popularity even by polls which were wrong before, arguably pro-liberal before. Come the next election, if he were to win then the argument that its just another more unpopular candidate falls flat.

Why are you suddenly talking about elections (especially future elections) at all? I am doing nothing more than pointing out your failure to use logical reasoning.

No, i believe that your wrong. If you didn't believe in the candidates, either of them, then you simply didn't have to vote. If voter confidence in Hillary and the Democratic party was so low, then the end result is the same and popularity for Donald and the Republicans is irrelevant because they will win irregardless.

It's quite impossible to tell what you're talking to here.

I "go on" about the polls to elaborate that they are now historically inaccurate.

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As Neu Leonstein and myself have pointed out, you and people more widely have been misinterpreting poll. It isn't seen as a problem with cars when people sit in them without starting them and expect to arrive somewhere. That's what you're doing. You're sitting in a car without a driver and expecting it to magically take you somewhere.

The whole measure of this topic is dealing with the unpopularity of trump, in which most sources are featuring polls as evidence. My argument is that they are not always accurate, evidence would support my case.

You're going on about something you've completely failed to understand. The polls weren't flawed about Trump. They just showed Trump was less likely to win. Valid processes can predict wrong outcomes. Your evidence that the polls are wrong relies on a fundamental error on your part. It's just not evidence.

I was not surprised by the outcome. My mention of surprise comes from the number of polls that listed it as a probable Hillary victory, thereby even though my own expectations were correct, it is technically a "surprise" victory, or an upset. Here's just a few articles i found that mention an upset or a surprise after the election.

I'm not going to read these. Invariably they're going to be "people who didn't know how to understand what they were reading, misunderstood what they were reading, ended up getting surprised" stories. Everyone knows that this happened. It is, in fact, a much lamented fact. It doesn't demonstrate your point (which is that the polls were wrong).

My last argument was relevant to my argument and therefore relevant to the topic. Taking one chunk of an argument and saying that particular chunk is irrelevant doesn't make it so.

How is it relevant to your argument? It's talking about something completely different.

[NERVUN]

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Here: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... all-right/

[Puldania]

I've never met a person in real life who has a favorable view on Trump when asked. The people who voted for trump almost immediately regretted it in my experienced: especially my Aunt who got detained on her way back into the U.S.

[Big Jim P]

I've never met a person in real life who has a favorable view on Trump when asked. The people who voted for trump almost immediately regretted it in my experienced: especially my Aunt who got detained on her way back into the U.S.

My home county voted 77% for Trump, and we don't regret it.

[Puldania]

I've never met a person in real life who has a favorable view on Trump when asked. The people who voted for trump almost immediately regretted it in my experienced: especially my Aunt who got detained on her way back into the U.S.

My home county voted 77% for Trump, and we don't regret it.

Of course not, you're probably white.

[Kash Island]

I've never met a person in real life who has a favorable view on Trump when asked. The people who voted for trump almost immediately regretted it in my experienced: especially my Aunt who got detained on her way back into the U.S.

My home county voted 77% for Trump, and we don't regret it.

yeah i don't know what hes talking about, everyone who voted for Trump isn't regretting it from what I have seen personally.

I'm still waiting for the gas chambers, this guy is the worst hitler ever

[Major-Tom]

Polarizing. Very few people are neutral about Trump. A lot of people love him, and a lot of people (myself included) really dislike the guy.

[Major-Tom]

My home county voted 77% for Trump, and we don't regret it.

Of course not, you're probably white.

That's like, the worst response you could've possibly given jesus lad.

[Puldania]

My home county voted 77% for Trump, and we don't regret it.

yeah i don't know what hes talking about, everyone who voted for Trump isn't regretting it from what I have seen personally.

I'm still waiting for the gas chambers, this guy is the worst hitler ever

Have you, by chance, seen the internment facilities? They seem to be more than sufficing the percentage of people who thought he was going to be the next Hitler.

Besides, I live in a much more populous state than you lot probably live in. Most everyone here hates Trump, and if they voted for him, they definitely regret it.

It's a great feeling getting to say "I told you so" to someone who fought so vehemently for Trump.

[Big Jim P]

My home county voted 77% for Trump, and we don't regret it.

Of course not, you're probably white.

And you are obviously racist. *nod*

[Kash Island]

yeah i don't know what hes talking about, everyone who voted for Trump isn't regretting it from what I have seen personally.

I'm still waiting for the gas chambers, this guy is the worst hitler ever

Have you, by chance, seen the internment facilities? They seem to be more than sufficing the percentage of people who thought he was going to be the next Hitler.

Besides, I live in a much more populous state than you lot probably live in. Most everyone here hates Trump, and if they voted for him, they definitely regret it.

It's a great feeling getting to say "I told you so" to someone who fought so vehemently for Trump.

a populas state? like where exactly, im curious

also the hitler comparison is frankly retarded and old, and also, ridiculous and many levels.

[Puldania]

Of course not, you're probably white.

That's like, the worst response you could've possibly given jesus lad.

Not really. A Straight White Rural person likely would not be directly affected by most of his policies, so they have no direct reason to be upset.
The trick is whether the aforementioned Straight White Rural person is conservative or progressive, and more often than not, they're conservative.

[Puldania]

Have you, by chance, seen the internment facilities? They seem to be more than sufficing the percentage of people who thought he was going to be the next Hitler.

Besides, I live in a much more populous state than you lot probably live in. Most everyone here hates Trump, and if they voted for him, they definitely regret it.

It's a great feeling getting to say "I told you so" to someone who fought so vehemently for Trump.

a populas state? like where exactly, im curious

also the hitler comparison is frankly retarded and old, and also, ridiculous and many levels.

Good Old Florida!
Homeland of Hispanic Conservativism since the 60s.

[Big Jim P]

yeah i don't know what hes talking about, everyone who voted for Trump isn't regretting it from what I have seen personally.

I'm still waiting for the gas chambers, this guy is the worst hitler ever

Have you, by chance, seen the internment facilities? They seem to be more than sufficing the percentage of people who thought he was going to be the next Hitler.

Besides, I live in a much more populous state than you lot probably live in. Most everyone here hates Trump, and if they voted for him, they definitely regret it.

It's a great feeling getting to say "I told you so" to someone who fought so vehemently for Trump.

It's a REALLY great feeling knowing the dems lost.

[Puldania]

Have you, by chance, seen the internment facilities? They seem to be more than sufficing the percentage of people who thought he was going to be the next Hitler.

Besides, I live in a much more populous state than you lot probably live in. Most everyone here hates Trump, and if they voted for him, they definitely regret it.

It's a great feeling getting to say "I told you so" to someone who fought so vehemently for Trump.

a populas state? like where exactly, im curious

also the hitler comparison is frankly retarded and old, and also, ridiculous and many levels.

I have to admit, even though he is still one of the worst politicians to grace the planet, he isn't doing as poorly as I thought he would. I figured he'd be killed by now.

[Kash Island]

a populas state? like where exactly, im curious

also the hitler comparison is frankly retarded and old, and also, ridiculous and many levels.

I have to admit, even though he is still one of the worst politicians to grace the planet, he isn't doing as poorly as I thought he would. I figured he'd be killed by now.

one of the worst to grace the planet?

I'm sorry...what? " Looks at histories leaders"

...what?

[Puldania]

Have you, by chance, seen the internment facilities? They seem to be more than sufficing the percentage of people who thought he was going to be the next Hitler.

Besides, I live in a much more populous state than you lot probably live in. Most everyone here hates Trump, and if they voted for him, they definitely regret it.

It's a great feeling getting to say "I told you so" to someone who fought so vehemently for Trump.

It's a REALLY great feeling knowing the dems lost.

I know right?
I just can't wait until America gets a taste of proper Leftism, now that Centrist Democrats have learned they need to radicalize.

[Puldania]

I have to admit, even though he is still one of the worst politicians to grace the planet, he isn't doing as poorly as I thought he would. I figured he'd be killed by now.

one of the worst to grace the planet?

I'm sorry...what? " Looks at histories leaders"

...what?

Really, even objectively he's within the bottom 10%.