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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:17 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Let's be fair, this thread is just an extension of the general line of discussion Xero has pursued throughout his entire time on NS.

So really, he's fought for six straight years against everyone.


Honestly speaking, it has been the same thread, over and over again. All that changes are the subjects, but ever since he started posting, it's been about this idea. Quite the fixation. This is but the latest incarnation, and the batshit-est one yet because instead of keeping it in NSG, it has spilled toxic waste into Technical, and Moderation even.

He should have given up a long time ago. Or as soon as the mods told him that no, his idea is not something that interests the site. Not once, or twice, but multiple times. The truth is he got his answer a long time ago. He just doesn't like it because it proves his take is shit but eh. Some people don't go down easily, not even when they have been proven wrong. A fucking hydra of a thread.

And given the thread title, this is the new TET or MAGAthread in the making :meh:

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:20 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Honestly speaking, it has been the same thread, over and over again. All that changes are the subjects, but ever since he started posting, it's been about this idea. Quite the fixation. This is but the latest incarnation, and the batshit-est one yet because instead of keeping it in NSG, it has spilled toxic waste into Technical, and Moderation even.

He should have given up a long time ago. Or as soon as the mods told him that no, his idea is not something that interests the site. Not once, or twice, but multiple times. The truth is he got his answer a long time ago. He just doesn't like it because it proves his take is shit but eh. Some people don't go down easily, not even when they have been proven wrong. A fucking hydra of a thread.

And given the thread title, this is the new TET or MAGAthread in the making :meh:


Well, I'd say it's more similar to the MAGAthread. Honestly, I'd respect him more if he owned up to the fact that his premise has been refuted over and over again, and proven wrong. But this refusal to accept is... well, it's rather pathetic.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:22 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:And given the thread title, this is the new TET or MAGAthread in the making :meh:


Well, I'd say it's more similar to the MAGAthread. Honestly, I'd respect him more if he owned up to the fact that his premise has been refuted over and over again, and proven wrong. But this refusal to accept is... well, it's rather pathetic.

Probably true, and I'd agree with that sentiment

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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:28 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Well, I'd say it's more similar to the MAGAthread. Honestly, I'd respect him more if he owned up to the fact that his premise has been refuted over and over again, and proven wrong. But this refusal to accept is... well, it's rather pathetic.

Probably true, and I'd agree with that sentiment

If you spend 1,000 posts defending something, backing down makes you seem silly as well.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:30 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Probably true, and I'd agree with that sentiment

If you spend 1,000 posts defending something, backing down makes you seem silly as well.


So it's defending the indefensible. But hey, that is not a crime so whatever. There will be more threads on the same subject after this one, I know it.
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Postby Dogmeat » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:32 pm

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Lord Dominator wrote:Probably true, and I'd agree with that sentiment

If you spend 1,000 posts defending something, backing down makes you seem silly as well.

It doesn't though. I respect people who can admit when they were wrong. I think most people do.

All Xero is proving by continuing this farce is that the Sunk Cost Fallacy doesn't just apply to money.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:36 pm

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Dogmeat wrote:Not to mention totally outside the scope of their powers.

Here are numerous prominent economists, including three Nobel laureates, explaining to the Supreme Court that free-riding is a real problem. If it is in the power of the Supreme Court to ignore their input and abolish compulsory dues, then it was also in their power to leave compulsory dues alone but give employees the freedom to earmark them.


We've already handily demonstrated that your system does precisely fuck all to stop free-riding.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:38 pm

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Herador wrote:No, they don't have to, you on the other hand do. The claim is yours and you've made a deal out of this expert testimony, so it's yours to provide, not there's.

My opponents claim that sometimes BV is better than DV at ranking things. Why, exactly, do they not have to support their claim with expert testimony? You already acknowledged that doing so isn't difficult.

Because we have actual evidence, rather than appeals to authority.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:04 pm

I think Xero just gave up fellas.
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Postby Vectrova » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:08 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:I think Xero just gave up fellas.


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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:09 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:I think Xero just gave up fellas.


He can't very well just give up and start a new thread this time. This is the pragmatarian discussion thread. If he wants to continue discussing his theory on NS it has to be here.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:07 pm

If I am not mistaken, Xero wasn't around when the entire NS was swept by this card-trading frenzy in the first week of April.

Can't imagine how things will play out when (or if???) the cards come back.

Prepare to see threads started by Xero where he asks us to rate cards by increasing our bids for them or something. :blink:
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:21 pm

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:If I am not mistaken, Xero wasn't around when the entire NS was swept by this card-trading frenzy in the first week of April.

Can't imagine how things will play out when (or if???) the cards come back.

Prepare to see threads started by Xero where he asks us to rate cards by increasing our bids for them or something. :blink:


He was. Talked in his moderation thread about how he wouldn't have DV'd for them.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:07 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:If I am not mistaken, Xero wasn't around when the entire NS was swept by this card-trading frenzy in the first week of April.

Can't imagine how things will play out when (or if???) the cards come back.

Prepare to see threads started by Xero where he asks us to rate cards by increasing our bids for them or something. :blink:


He was. Talked in his moderation thread about how he wouldn't have DV'd for them.

Oh, wait! Do I understand you correctly? Did he actually - sort of - acknowledge that DV was useless, by refusing to use it in the card-trading game?
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:20 pm

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
He was. Talked in his moderation thread about how he wouldn't have DV'd for them.

Oh, wait! Do I understand you correctly? Did he actually - sort of - acknowledge that DV was useless, by refusing to use it in the card-trading game?


Well I mean, I'm pretty sure he mentioned it in the sense "It was a pleasant thing but not enough I'd DV for it". Y'know, to be fair.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:22 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Oh, wait! Do I understand you correctly? Did he actually - sort of - acknowledge that DV was useless, by refusing to use it in the card-trading game?


Well I mean, I'm pretty sure he mentioned it in the sense "It was a pleasant thing but not enough I'd DV for it". Y'know, to be fair.


Oh yeah, he did speak of the cards.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:22 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Oh, wait! Do I understand you correctly? Did he actually - sort of - acknowledge that DV was useless, by refusing to use it in the card-trading game?


Well I mean, I'm pretty sure he mentioned it in the sense "It was a pleasant thing but not enough I'd DV for it". Y'know, to be fair.

Oh, ok. That's consistent, I guess.
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:40 pm

He'll also go away if we stop enabling him, you know. :p

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Postby Galloism » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:49 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:I think Xero just gave up fellas.

Unlikely.
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Postby Xerographica » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:11 pm

Some members have more cards than money, while others have more money than cards. Why would anybody oppose trading money for cards?
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Postby Dogmeat » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:33 pm

Xerographica wrote:Some members have more cards than money, while others have more money than cards. Why would anybody oppose trading money for cards?

Why would anyone ignore simple, relevant questions about an email exchange?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:08 pm

Xerographica wrote:Some members have more cards than money, while others have more money than cards. Why would anybody oppose trading money for cards?

Because some of us like playing a game where the only possible advantage is how much you dislike sleep?

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Postby Galloism » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:25 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Xerographica wrote:Some members have more cards than money, while others have more money than cards. Why would anybody oppose trading money for cards?

Because some of us like playing a game where the only possible advantage is how much you dislike sleep?

There is a widespread demand for a fair game among gamers. We tend to hate and despise games that are "pay to win" because we view it as inherently unfair. Games viewed as unfair are generally not fun to play, and therefore, not demanded.
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Postby Herador » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:32 pm

Wait, NS had a card game?
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Postby Heloin » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:48 pm

Herador wrote:Wait, NS had a card game?

NS has two card games weirdly. Everyone just sort of forgot one of them.
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