Pragmatarian Discussion Thread

[Alvecia]

Also, in the spirit of this actually being about whether or not pragmatarianism is the inferior system, I'm saving my vote in case it ever gets another one. That way, I can make sure it goes back to losing.

Are you talking about BV or DV?

Why not both?
Though I suspect I won't actually need to ever participate in DV because there are other people willing to provide money to see it lose, thus, I get to win, and save money

[Galloism]

We kicked tires, took a test drive and it was loudly knocking.

And we did not need a mechanic to tell us that.

And over the few next pages, we've started wondering if the oil pressure of 0 is a consequence of leakage or sludge, were told to ask an engineering college for confirmation when saying "this isn't a 2-color Dodge Magnum sedan, you've just fitted a wrong color Magnum front on a 300" and that we weren't experts when we asked if the transmission fluid shouldn't stay in the transmission, had a test drive during which the steering was more interesting in the sidewalk than our lane, heard that "the title says "Range Rover" because my cousin was drunk while making it" and saw the damn thing on crime scene pictures.

Have an awesome quote for that one.

[Bombadil]

Which is grand, because under his system, the two dumbest possible systems are at the top, while systems that actually work to some extent at all at the bottom (having garnered no money at all).

But it's not like the traditional systems have received many BVs.

Let's be honest, you've put yourself in a tiny corner to prove your system. Let's be a detective and go back to the first crime.. you wanted people to pay to get a green light.

Not only is this bad given it does not use the traffic data that should determine traffic light timing.. but let's just first narrow it down to DV vs BV.

All lights are red. If there's one person who can pay $10 and 10 people who can pay $1 at a traffic light, and each time a light is changed there's a replacement for each.. then you have effective stalemate.. no one ever moves. If by BV then the 10 would move up until the 1 replacements equal more than 10. So you have cleaner movement despite both being inferior to data driven timing.

DV
1st Action: 10 people pay $10, 1 person pays $10 - no movement - lights stay red
2nd Action: 20 people pay $20, 2 people pay $20
...etc..

BV
10 people vote for movement against 1 - movement - light goes green for the 10
10 people vote for movement against 2
10.. etc..

Even on this very clean experiment BV wins as an outcome.

[Xerographica]

Are you talking about BV or DV?

Why not both?
Though I suspect I won't actually need to ever participate in DV because there are other people willing to provide money to see it lose, thus, I get to win, and save money

Right now pragmatarianism is in second place in both polls. So in this regard it's a tie between BV and DV.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

- Is BV or DV better at ranking things?
- How could NS make it easier for us to test the difference between BV and DV?
- Should people have the option to use their donations to help rank non-profits?
- Should people have the option to use their Netflix fees to help rank its content?
- Should people have the option to use their tax dollars to help rank government activities?

Hi, just a brief comment on the bolded part in the quote above. This isn't a new idea but it'll never work because although its proponents believe that letting taxpayers decide how their tax dollars are used will lead to less wars, the result is that the country with the most militaristic electorate will become overpowered vis-a-vis more pacifist neighbours. It's a sure recipe for disaster.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The other problem with your tests Xero is that you have put an element of hostility in all of us by refusing to listen.

We have a saying where we come from "el entendido a señas y el burro a palos". Or it translates to "the smart man learns by just being told and the donkey learns by being beaten with a rod". Essentially, if you're not gonna learn by calmly telling you something is wrong, most people will make you learn by beating you over the head until you learn the lesson in a hostile manner.

In this case, you have exhausted our good will to talk to you by dismissing us and trying to make us feel stupid, so we have even more of a reason to proverbially beat you with a stick, in this case being sabotaging, making fun of, and arguing with you in a hostile manner. Because nobody likes to be told they're stupid, and even more importantly, nobody likes to have to talk calmly to someone who doesn't get it.

[Galloism]

Why not both?
Though I suspect I won't actually need to ever participate in DV because there are other people willing to provide money to see it lose, thus, I get to win, and save money

Right now pragmatarianism is in second place in both polls. So in this regard it's a tie between BV and DV.

You know what's not a tie? Between pragmatarianism and rule by goats.

Besides, I thought you said this was about which political system is better, not BV vs DV?

[Alvecia]

Why not both?
Though I suspect I won't actually need to ever participate in DV because there are other people willing to provide money to see it lose, thus, I get to win, and save money

Right now pragmatarianism is in second place in both polls. So in this regard it's a tie between BV and DV.

So you're saying pragmatarianism is no better than what already exists? That's big of you to admit that. Baby steps Xero, baby steps.

[Xerographica]

- Is BV or DV better at ranking things?
- How could NS make it easier for us to test the difference between BV and DV?
- Should people have the option to use their donations to help rank non-profits?
- Should people have the option to use their Netflix fees to help rank its content?
- Should people have the option to use their tax dollars to help rank government activities?

Hi, just a brief comment on the bolded part in the quote above. This isn't a new idea but it'll never work because although its proponents believe that letting taxpayers decide how their tax dollars are used will lead to less wars, the result is that the country with the most militaristic electorate will become overpowered vis-a-vis more pacifist neighbours. It's a sure recipe for disaster.

If correctly guessing the demand for defense was so easy, then markets wouldn't be so useful.

[Petrolheadia]

And over the few next pages, we've started wondering if the oil pressure of 0 is a consequence of leakage or sludge, were told to ask an engineering college for confirmation when saying "this isn't a 2-color Dodge Magnum sedan, you've just fitted a wrong color Magnum front on a 300" and that we weren't experts when we asked if the transmission fluid shouldn't stay in the transmission, had a test drive during which the steering was more interesting in the sidewalk than our lane, heard that "the title says "Range Rover" because my cousin was drunk while making it" and saw the damn thing on crime scene pictures.

You just made me really happy that this isn't a thread about cars.

This metaphor is strangely impregnable for your learned mind.

[Xerographica]

Right now pragmatarianism is in second place in both polls. So in this regard it's a tie between BV and DV.

So you're saying pragmatarianism is no better than what already exists? That's big of you to admit that. Baby steps Xero, baby steps.

According to both polls pragmatarianism is better than the current political systems.

[Petrolheadia]

And over the few next pages, we've started wondering if the oil pressure of 0 is a consequence of leakage or sludge, were told to ask an engineering college for confirmation when saying "this isn't a 2-color Dodge Magnum sedan, you've just fitted a wrong color Magnum front on a 300" and that we weren't experts when we asked if the transmission fluid shouldn't stay in the transmission, had a test drive during which the steering was more interesting in the sidewalk than our lane, heard that "the title says "Range Rover" because my cousin was drunk while making it" and saw the damn thing on crime scene pictures.

Have an awesome quote for that one.

Now, what if, say, it landed in that spoiler down there?

[Petrolheadia]

So you're saying pragmatarianism is no better than what already exists? That's big of you to admit that. Baby steps Xero, baby steps.

According to both polls pragmatarianism is better than the current political systems.

According to a drunk man, cars on the highway are breaking the sound barrier.

[Xerographica]

You just made me really happy that this isn't a thread about cars.

This metaphor is strangely impregnable for your learned mind.

Hi. What's your preferred political system?

[Alvecia]

So you're saying pragmatarianism is no better than what already exists? That's big of you to admit that. Baby steps Xero, baby steps.

According to both polls pragmatarianism is better than the current political systems.

You're right, that was badly phrased, let me try again

So you're saying DV is no better than BV?

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[Petrolheadia]

This metaphor is strangely impregnable for your learned mind.

Hi. What's your preferred political system?

One where people understand metaphors centered around beater LX-body sedans.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hi. What's your preferred political system?

One where people understand metaphors centered around beater LX-body sedans.

Ah yes, who could forget LX-body sedanism. Add it to the poll Xero!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So you're saying pragmatarianism is no better than what already exists? That's big of you to admit that. Baby steps Xero, baby steps.

According to both polls pragmatarianism is better than the current political systems.

And rule by goats is better than pragmatarianism.

[Grenartia]

If you refuse to allow your hypothesis to be falsified in the course of the experiment, then you're not doing science. Seriously, Xero, stop clogging up NSG with this shit, and when you get out of high school, go to college and get a degree in sociology or poli sci, and get a university to pay for your research. Just don't whine and cry when you try to publish your results, and it fails peer review.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to get a degree in economics?

Not really. This isn't an economics issue. This is a social and political phenomenon. Sociology and poli sci, therefore, are the fields to go into. The economic aspect is very limited, and you don't need to understand more than 2+2=4 and that money isn't unlimited to account for it.

[Grenartia]

Hey, Xero, quick question. Can you define the main flaws of your system?

I can't think of any.

There's your problem.

[Xerographica]

Hi. What's your preferred political system?

One where people understand metaphors centered around beater LX-body sedans.

I had an army buddy once who went around talking about how he was going to super charge a paxton in that bitch. What was he talking about? Making the car go faster? I'm interested in making the economy go faster.

[Xerographica]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to get a degree in economics?

Not really. This isn't an economics issue. This is a social and political phenomenon. Sociology and poli sci, therefore, are the fields to go into. The economic aspect is very limited, and you don't need to understand more than 2+2=4 and that money isn't unlimited to account for it.

Is foot voting an economics issue?

[Grenartia]

Can your system be gamed?

Imagine that we want to do a meetup and we use DV to choose the location. How, exactly, can this be gamed? I honestly don't know.

Then you lack the creative and critical thinking necessary to have any credibility here.

[Petrolheadia]

One where people understand metaphors centered around beater LX-body sedans.

I had an army buddy once who went around talking about how he was going to super charge a paxton in that bitch. What was he talking about? Making the car go faster? I'm interested in making the economy go faster.

Supercharging a Paxton?

Shit, that's either a twincharger or a misquote!

[Xerographica]

Imagine that we want to do a meetup and we use DV to choose the location. How, exactly, can this be gamed? I honestly don't know.

Then you lack the creative and critical thinking necessary to have any credibility here.

Why didn't you show us the gaming?