Pragmatarian Discussion Thread

[Galloism]

Are you familiar with the Bible story about Elijah versus the prophets of Baal? Elijah only won because he was willing to compete with the prophets of Baal.

But he knew he could win because he had God on his side and God explicitly told him to do it.

Elijah, in fact, went into hiding like every other prophet of God, and it wasn't until God told him what to do and to do it now that he accepted to even go and confront them.

God didn't even pay Elijah for going out and doing it. Can you imagine? How could Elijah know that God valued him taking that course of action if he didn't pay him?

[Xerographica]

This sure isn't important to me, which is why I didn't spend my money on it. Why didn't you spend your money on it? Why haven't you spent your money on your preferred system?

Marginal utility. The only reason to actually bid on one of these things is maliciousness to derive humor, and the only reasonable choice in that regard is autocratic goats.

However, right now Soldati and I have provided sufficient humor for everyone (you're welcome, by the way), so he doesn't have to do anything but chuckle to himself that autocratic goats and apparently a more valuable system than yours.

And my system is apparently more valuable than liberalism, conservatism, libertarianism and socialism. So the jokes on you and everybody who truly cares about those systems.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Marginal utility. The only reason to actually bid on one of these things is maliciousness to derive humor, and the only reasonable choice in that regard is autocratic goats.

However, right now Soldati and I have provided sufficient humor for everyone (you're welcome, by the way), so he doesn't have to do anything but chuckle to himself that autocratic goats and apparently a more valuable system than yours.

And my system is apparently more valuable than liberalism, conservatism, libertarianism and socialism. So the jokes on you and everybody who truly cares about those systems.

Not really.

The conservatives and liberals are for voting, so they wouldn't pay and would protest about your system.

The libertarian would think your system is too authoritarian for their tastes and would also protest.

And the socialists wouldn't pay you because they would think your system is a plutocracy and would revolt.

They have nothing to gain by engaging honestly with your system.

[Xerographica]

Except obviously you're not even playing the game. You haven't even BV'd for your preferred system.

Except this game isn't about which is the best political system, and we all know it.
It's about which is the best form of decision making. BV or DV.

So in a way, I have revealed my true valuation by not contributing to the DV count.

It's BV VS DV in terms of picking the best political system.

[Galloism]

Marginal utility. The only reason to actually bid on one of these things is maliciousness to derive humor, and the only reasonable choice in that regard is autocratic goats.

However, right now Soldati and I have provided sufficient humor for everyone (you're welcome, by the way), so he doesn't have to do anything but chuckle to himself that autocratic goats and apparently a more valuable system than yours.

And my system is apparently more valuable than liberalism, conservatism, libertarianism and socialism. So the jokes on you and everybody who truly cares about those systems.

I look forward to you endorsing rule by goats.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Except this game isn't about which is the best political system, and we all know it.
It's about which is the best form of decision making. BV or DV.

So in a way, I have revealed my true valuation by not contributing to the DV count.

It's BV VS DV in terms of picking the best political system.

No, it isn't.

That's just the framing of your system, but what you are really testing is BV vs DV, what it is about doesn't really matter.

First it was you v. IM, then it was favorite books, then it was most valuable books, and then it is this.

What is being valued doesn't change the fact this is yet another test of yours to prove your point.

[Galloism]

It's BV VS DV in terms of picking the best political system.

No, it isn't.

That's just the framing of your system, but what you are really testing is BV vs DV, what it is about doesn't really matter.

First it was you v. IM, then it was favorite books, then it was most valuable books, and then it is this.

What is being valued doesn't change the fact this is yet another test of yours to prove your point.

Which is grand, because under his system, the two dumbest possible systems are at the top, while systems that actually work to some extent at all at the bottom (having garnered no money at all).

[Alvecia]

Except this game isn't about which is the best political system, and we all know it.
It's about which is the best form of decision making. BV or DV.

So in a way, I have revealed my true valuation by not contributing to the DV count.

It's BV VS DV in terms of picking the best political system most prefered.

Small fix to that, but an important one, because as has been pointed out, spending money towards a choice doesn't tell you why they're picking it. You've no way of knowing whether or not those spending money on any particular choice actually think it's the best or not.

[Xerographica]

No, it isn't.

That's just the framing of your system, but what you are really testing is BV vs DV, what it is about doesn't really matter.

First it was you v. IM, then it was favorite books, then it was most valuable books, and then it is this.

What is being valued doesn't change the fact this is yet another test of yours to prove your point.

Which is grand, because under his system, the two dumbest possible systems are at the top, while systems that actually work to some extent at all at the bottom (having garnered no money at all).

But it's not like the traditional systems have received many BVs.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Xero, put a BV down for ultranational socialism since I haven't voted yet. We be superfascists now bois

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which is grand, because under his system, the two dumbest possible systems are at the top, while systems that actually work to some extent at all at the bottom (having garnered no money at all).

But it's not like the traditional systems have received many BVs.

Because you have tied our DV input to our BV input.

You have destroyed the validity of the BV poll too by making sure the people who put money into this get their votes annulled in regular voting.

[Xerographica]

It's BV VS DV in terms of picking the best political system most prefered.

Small fix to that, but an important one, because as has been pointed out, spending money towards a choice doesn't tell you why they're picking it. You've no way of knowing whether or not those spending money on any particular choice actually think it's the best or not.

Just like there's no way of knowing whether those BV'ing for a particular choice think it's the best or not. But I'm more inclined to believe actions rather than words.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Small fix to that, but an important one, because as has been pointed out, spending money towards a choice doesn't tell you why they're picking it. You've no way of knowing whether or not those spending money on any particular choice actually think it's the best or not.

Just like there's no way of knowing whether those BV'ing for a particular choice think it's the best or not. But I'm more inclined to believe actions rather than words.

So you will admit 50 Shades of Grey is the best book out there?

You can't both say this and keep invalidating results, that's more hypocrisy.

[Xerographica]

Xero, put a BV down for ultranational socialism since I haven't voted yet. We be superfascists now bois

What's the difference between ultranational socialism and regular socialism?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Xero, put a BV down for ultranational socialism since I haven't voted yet. We be superfascists now bois

What's the difference between ultranational socialism and regular socialism?

Why do you care?

[Alvecia]

Small fix to that, but an important one, because as has been pointed out, spending money towards a choice doesn't tell you why they're picking it. You've no way of knowing whether or not those spending money on any particular choice actually think it's the best or not.

Just like there's no way of knowing whether those BV'ing for a particular choice think it's the best or not. But I'm more inclined to believe actions rather than words.

Why?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Xero, put a BV down for ultranational socialism since I haven't voted yet. We be superfascists now bois

What's the difference between ultranational socialism and regular socialism?

It's national socialism taken to such a degree that even other Nazi's are scared of it.

[Xerographica]

But it's not like the traditional systems have received many BVs.

Because you have tied our DV input to our BV input.

You have destroyed the validity of the BV poll too by making sure the people who put money into this get their votes annulled in regular voting.

I'm trying to protect the experiment by making it a rule that you can't have two preferred political systems.

[Alvecia]

But it's not like the traditional systems have received many BVs.

Because you have tied our DV input to our BV input.

You have destroyed the validity of the BV poll too by making sure the people who put money into this get their votes annulled in regular voting.

Also, in the spirit of this actually being about whether or not pragmatarianism is the inferior system, I'm saving my vote in case it ever gets another one. That way, I can make sure it goes back to losing.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Just like there's no way of knowing whether those BV'ing for a particular choice think it's the best or not. But I'm more inclined to believe actions rather than words.

Why?

Because something something true valuation.

He doesn't get that nobody has ever done true valuations of anything with money.

I don't buy shit with my money or bet at the casino in a way that allows me to win consistently because I find a true value in anything and I am willing to pay the true value of anything I buy or bet on. I put that money with a relative value of something I want.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Because you have tied our DV input to our BV input.

You have destroyed the validity of the BV poll too by making sure the people who put money into this get their votes annulled in regular voting.

I'm trying to protect the experiment by making it a rule that you can't have two preferred political systems.

And by doing so you are making BV vs DV moot.

There's even less of a reason to be honest at all in either one. The best move is to lie at this point.

[Petrolheadia]

But it's not like I'm under the impression that anybody else is even trying to kick the tires. Have you e-mailed any subject matter experts to ask them if there's any evidence that BV is better than DV? If not, then why not? Do you not care?

We kicked tires, took a test drive and it was loudly knocking.

And we did not need a mechanic to tell us that.

And over the few next pages, we've started wondering if the oil pressure of 0 is a consequence of leakage or sludge, were told to ask an engineering college for confirmation when saying "this isn't a 2-color Dodge Magnum sedan, you've just fitted a wrong color Magnum front on a 300" and that we weren't experts when we asked if the transmission fluid shouldn't stay in the transmission, had a test drive during which the steering was more interesting in the sidewalk than our lane, heard that "the title says "Range Rover" because my cousin was drunk while making it" and saw the damn thing on crime scene pictures.

In other words, all the flags that lower the value to "I'll get you a case of Bud Light and you'll give me the keys".

[Xerographica]

Because you have tied our DV input to our BV input.

You have destroyed the validity of the BV poll too by making sure the people who put money into this get their votes annulled in regular voting.

Also, in the spirit of this actually being about whether or not pragmatarianism is the inferior system, I'm saving my vote in case it ever gets another one. That way, I can make sure it goes back to losing.

Are you talking about BV or DV?

[Alvecia]

I'm trying to protect the experiment by making it a rule that you can't have two preferred political systems.

And by doing so you are making BV vs DV moot.

There's even less of a reason to be honest at all in either one. The best move is to lie at this point.

Case in point, not participating (not expressing my true valuation) is beneficial for me at the moment, because my choices are winning.

[Xerographica]

We kicked tires, took a test drive and it was loudly knocking.

And we did not need a mechanic to tell us that.

And over the few next pages, we've started wondering if the oil pressure of 0 is a consequence of leakage or sludge, were told to ask an engineering college for confirmation when saying "this isn't a 2-color Dodge Magnum sedan, you've just fitted a wrong color Magnum front on a 300" and that we weren't experts when we asked if the transmission fluid shouldn't stay in the transmission, had a test drive during which the steering was more interesting in the sidewalk than our lane, heard that "the title says "Range Rover" because my cousin was drunk while making it" and saw the damn thing on crime scene pictures.

You just made me really happy that this isn't a thread about cars.