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One more year has passed since the last UN meeting on the decolonization of the US territory of Puerto Rico. Like most years, people from PR. and other nations talked in front of a committe on decolonization. You can read about what happened below. In PR. all the political parties are in agreement that PR. is in fact a US colony. Even the US government has hinted that PR. is a colony with no actual sovereignty.

PR. problem has been that the different political parties in PR. are not united when they go in front of the US congress. But it seems this might be changing. With all the problems PR. is facing a large segment of the population want results and less talk. When it comes to results it seems the head of the independence party has gotten both the Commonwealth party and Statehood party to agree on having conversations on forming a united front before the US congress when it comes to the decolonization of PR.. Time will tell the results.

I think this united front will be productive since people want actual results which benefit PR. No more feet dragging. Of course, chances are the big losers will be the traditional parties. Chances are something new will pop up to save the day, Cough cough ...Yulin.. Cough cough.

You can read here on the UN decolonization of PR. - https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/gacol3324.doc.htm

Last time their was a poll or vote on this, most Puertorriqueños said "no" to independence.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Last time their was a poll or vote on this, most Puertorriqueños said "no" to independence.

Forget all those polls which in the end amount to nothing. People have been leaving. Generally, the first ones leaving are the Statehooders and Commonwealth supporters. Chances are they will not be voting in the general elections in 2020. Having said that, the soveignty movement will most likely gain support. I have no idea if it will lead to independence or semi-independence. I just know that the current situation is defunct.

Better solution, PR becomes America's 51st state, with all the benefits that comes with being a state.

I think they should be a state but for some reason they seem content the way they are
Eh their choice

Freezic Vast wrote:Better solution, PR becomes America's 51st state, with all the benefits that comes with being a state.

This. They should be made a state

Puerto Rico should be watched and monitored closely by UN peacekeepers like they did with any other nation that became independent. Seeing Puerto Rico become a state would just be sad and demeaning to the Puerto Rican nationalists and other folks. It's like assimilating them and destroying their culture if we do that. Independence is always best for some nations with National Welfare mixed in!

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I think they should be a state but for some reason they seem content the way they are
Eh their choice

97% in favor of statehood in the last plebiscite, in the one 61% before that. It's not PR that enjoys its status, it's Congress.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I think they should be a state but for some reason they seem content the way they are
Eh their choice

97% in favor of statehood in the last plebiscite, in the one 61% before that. It's not PR that enjoys its status, it's Congress.

OH I was wrong
Statehood it is

Austria Minor wrote:Puerto Rico should be watched and monitored closely by UN peacekeepers like they did with any other nation that became independent. Seeing Puerto Rico become a state would just be sad and demeaning to the Puerto Rican nationalists and other folks. It's like assimilating them and destroying their culture if we do that. Independence is always best for some nations with National Welfare mixed in!

And if they want to join the US?

Well then they could join but we should have little to some interaction in the way they do things. To preserve cultural aspects of course.

Austria Minor wrote:Well then they could join but we should have little to some interaction in the way they do things. To preserve cultural aspects of course.

Then just keep them the way they are
If they wanna be a state then they’d be state

Austria Minor wrote:Well then they could join but we should have little to some interaction in the way they do things. To preserve cultural aspects of course.

Um no. Like you’re ideas in the Dino thread this is also dumb

Thermodolia wrote:

Austria Minor wrote:Well then they could join but we should have little to some interaction in the way they do things. To preserve cultural aspects of course.

Um no. Like you’re ideas in the Dino thread this is also dumb

So you'd rather see a culture get absorbed into American culture? Are you an imperialist or something? I mean what about all the Hispanic people with cultural heritage living on the island? You want to start a riot that would only effect and diminish a beautiful culture? Like Internationalist Bastard said modern day Puerto Rico is just fine and doesn't need anymore U.S interaction then it already has.

Austria Minor wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Um no. Like you’re ideas in the Dino thread this is also dumb

So you'd rather see a culture get absorbed into American culture? Are you an imperialist or something? I mean what about all the Hispanic people with cultural heritage living on the island? You want to start a riot that would only effect and diminish a beautiful culture? Like Internationalist Bastard said modern day Puerto Rico is just fine and doesn't need anymore U.S interaction then it already has.

The current level of US interaction being to leave the territory and all the U.S. citizens on it to fend for themselves after the island was smashed by a hurricane while the rebuilding process gets mired in corruption.

Austria Minor wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Um no. Like you’re ideas in the Dino thread this is also dumb

So you'd rather see a culture get absorbed into American culture? Are you an imperialist or something? I mean what about all the Hispanic people with cultural heritage living on the island? You want to start a riot that would only effect and diminish a beautiful culture? Like Internationalist Bastard said modern day Puerto Rico is just fine and doesn't need anymore U.S interaction then it already has.

Because most Puertoricans want statehood. Neither being a colony, nor independence.

Austria Minor wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Um no. Like you’re ideas in the Dino thread this is also dumb

So you'd rather see a culture get absorbed into American culture? Are you an imperialist or something?

Yes. I’m a cultural nationalist.

I mean what about all the Hispanic people with cultural heritage living on the island? You want to start a riot that would only effect and diminish a beautiful culture?

They are all Americans. They should only have one culture. And no there won’t be a riot as the majority want statehood.

Like Internationalist Bastard said modern day Puerto Rico is just fine and doesn't need anymore U.S interaction then it already has.

Last time I checked getting fucked by a cat 5 Hurricane doesn’t count as fine. Also the people want more federal government interaction not less. They want to be a state.

You on the other hand want to crush the will of the people

The United States should be peacefully disbanded and declared a demilitarized zone with Puerto Rico becoming a fully independent nation.

Empire of Narnia wrote:The United States should be peacefully disbanded and declared a demilitarized zone with Puerto Rico becoming a fully independent nation.

Hahahah fuck that. I’d start a coup before that happens

Free Puerto Rico... fun talk for anti-Americans, but an El Nuevo Dia poll, which, unlike the referendum, did not have to deal with boycotts, showed that 52% of Puerto Ricans want statehood, as opposed to 17% for current status and 15% for independence.

Austria Minor wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Um no. Like you’re ideas in the Dino thread this is also dumb

So you'd rather see a culture get absorbed into American culture? Are you an imperialist or something? I mean what about all the Hispanic people with cultural heritage living on the island? You want to start a riot that would only effect and diminish a beautiful culture? Like Internationalist Bastard said modern day Puerto Rico is just fine and doesn't need anymore U.S interaction then it already has.

The Hispanic people on the island want to be in the 51st state. That's their culture.

With PR, statehood wouldn't be easy (far from it) initially, but it's a goal that should be pursued regardless. There are over 3 million Puerto Ricans who abide by US law, who are US citizens, but yet don't have the same rights as mainland US citizens. This whole issue with the UN would be a non-issue if our federal government abandoned it's fears and doubts about PR and admitted it as a 51st state.

Would there be issues? Oh, certainly, what with PR's poverty and corruption, it would be an issue for quite some time, I can concede that. But would it be a worthwhile pursuit? 100% yes.

Austria Minor wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Um no. Like you’re ideas in the Dino thread this is also dumb

So you'd rather see a culture get absorbed into American culture? Are you an imperialist or something? I mean what about all the Hispanic people with cultural heritage living on the island? You want to start a riot that would only effect and diminish a beautiful culture? Like Internationalist Bastard said modern day Puerto Rico is just fine and doesn't need anymore U.S interaction then it already has.

It all boils down to choice. After all it's their lives and their culture. And so if they want to commit cultural genocide on them self and vote to do so that is by all right what they should receive.

If someone wants to jump off a bridge you have to let them. Otherwise you're just being needlessly oppressive and frankly cruel.

PS. I am not saying that I necessarily agree with your assessment that this would be the result of joining as a state. But I am elaborating why it's not an issue, even if it were to be.

Puerto Rico should be returned to the Spanish Crown. Its annexation by the United States was an act of aggression justified on false grounds.

Old Tyrannia wrote:Puerto Rico should be returned to the Spanish Crown. Its annexation by the United States was an act of aggression justified on false grounds.

Puerto Ricians seem to not want that.

Auze wrote:

Old Tyrannia wrote:Puerto Rico should be returned to the Spanish Crown. Its annexation by the United States was an act of aggression justified on false grounds.

Puerto Ricians seem to not want that.

Irrelevant. I don't believe in the doctrine of popular sovereignty.