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Should illegal families be separated

Yes
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No
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:46 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:If it happened today they'd be celebrated as heroes.


Anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe has grown so much that it is possible they would be hailed as heroes if this was done today. But better not to derail, and I'm talking about myself. I do see parallels, mind you.

The truth is that what the US is doing regarding breaking up families of illegal immigrants, is wrong. I'm well aware that there are laws that must be followed but the way they're implementing them is reprehensible.


It is exactly like what the Nazis did and it will hurt them in the fall.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe has grown so much that it is possible they would be hailed as heroes if this was done today. But better not to derail, and I'm talking about myself. I do see parallels, mind you.

The truth is that what the US is doing regarding breaking up families of illegal immigrants, is wrong. I'm well aware that there are laws that must be followed but the way they're implementing them is reprehensible.


It is exactly like what the Nazis did and it will hurt them in the fall.

No it won't.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:48 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It is exactly like what the Nazis did and it will hurt them in the fall.

No it won't.

Then this country truly has no compassion or empathy and it is full of monsters. I truly dont know it anymore.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe has grown so much that it is possible they would be hailed as heroes if this was done today. But better not to derail, and I'm talking about myself. I do see parallels, mind you.

The truth is that what the US is doing regarding breaking up families of illegal immigrants, is wrong. I'm well aware that there are laws that must be followed but the way they're implementing them is reprehensible.


It is exactly like what the Nazis did and it will hurt them in the fall.


Yeah it really isn't. You either A) Don't understand what the holocaust was. B)Don't understand what the current family separation is. Or C) Understand both and are furthering lies for political brownie points.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:49 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It is exactly like what the Nazis did and it will hurt them in the fall.

No it won't.


Yes, it will. It's already happening.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:No it won't.

Then this country truly has no compassion or empathy and it is full of monsters. I truly dont know it anymore.

Why should I have compassion for people illegally crossing the borders? And don't give me that fucking straw man of "B-but think of the children" or "Then your a literal Nazi for saying that" when that is not true.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:49 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It is exactly like what the Nazis did and it will hurt them in the fall.


Yeah it really isn't. You either A) Don't understand what the holocaust was. B)Don't understand what the current family separation is. Or C) Understand both and are furthering lies for political brownie points.


I read a history book unlike many here it seems. The Nazis separated families and those internment centers look eerily like Auschwitz.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:No it won't.

Then this country truly has no compassion or empathy and it is full of monsters. I truly dont know it anymore.


They're monsters because they vote for people that disagree with you? :^)
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe has grown so much that it is possible they would be hailed as heroes if this was done today. But better not to derail, and I'm talking about myself. I do see parallels, mind you.

The truth is that what the US is doing regarding breaking up families of illegal immigrants, is wrong. I'm well aware that there are laws that must be followed but the way they're implementing them is reprehensible.


It is exactly like what the Nazis did and it will hurt them in the fall.


It probably won't tbh. Everyone who cares about the issue is almost certainly already partisan and voting as such.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:50 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Then this country truly has no compassion or empathy and it is full of monsters. I truly dont know it anymore.

Why should I have compassion for people illegally crossing the borders? And don't give me that fucking straw man of "B-but think of the children" or "Then your a literal Nazi for saying that" when that is not true.

The children are innocent and do not deserve to be traumatized and scarred for life and border agents laughing about it and making fun of them is reprehensible and they ought to be ashamed
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Postby Swuvania » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:51 pm

Liriena wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Is anyone surprised our resident white supremacists support this? ICE could be slaughtering these immigrants and they wouldn't have a problem with it, there's no point engaging.

But they broke the lawwwwwwwwww!!!!


Breaking a law does not matter if it requires bringing a child to their mother and father. You would NOT be happy if this was YOUR family.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Then this country truly has no compassion or empathy and it is full of monsters. I truly dont know it anymore.


They're monsters because they vote for people that disagree with you? :^)


Its called having compassion. Your a parent right? Does what is happening not shock you?

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yeah it really isn't. You either A) Don't understand what the holocaust was. B)Don't understand what the current family separation is. Or C) Understand both and are furthering lies for political brownie points.


I read a history book unlike many here it seems. The Nazis separated families and those internment centers look eerily like Auschwitz.


>Look eerily like Auschwitz.

Really? Is it because of the gas chambers? Or the ovens? Or the slave labor factories, where the poor victims are worked to death building munitions so their captors can go capture more? Or the roads literally paved with the pulverized bones of the murdered?
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Postby New Emeline » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:52 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Then this country truly has no compassion or empathy and it is full of monsters. I truly dont know it anymore.

Why should I have compassion for people illegally crossing the borders? And don't give me that fucking straw man of "B-but think of the children" or "Then your a literal Nazi for saying that" when that is not true.

I mean, a five year old doesn't exactly wake up one morning and decide "hey, I'm going to illegally enter the United States of America". They don't understand what is happening.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Why should I have compassion for people illegally crossing the borders? And don't give me that fucking straw man of "B-but think of the children" or "Then your a literal Nazi for saying that" when that is not true.

The children are innocent and do not deserve to be traumatized and scarred for life and border agents laughing about it and making fun of them is reprehensible and they ought to be ashamed

And whose fault is it for bringing their children here, it's the parents fault. Better treatment for kids, yes, but frankly they should be separated at least, and the parents punished in some way.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:52 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
1. Supporting open borders while simultaneously telling foreigners they shouldn't interfere in American politics is highly hypocritical.



2. That's a rude thing to say to Obama.


1. Nice try, blatantly lying and misrepresenting me. I never said I wanted 'open' borders.


You want open borders relative to the median voter.

Grenartia wrote:2. Good thing I said it to Trump and his cabinet, then.


It appears you said it to the person ordering the policy change. That would be Mr. Barack Hussain.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:53 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I read a history book unlike many here it seems. The Nazis separated families and those internment centers look eerily like Auschwitz.


>Look eerily like Auschwitz.

Really? Is it because of the gas chambers? Or the ovens? Or the slave labor factories, where the poor victims are worked to death building munitions so their captors can go capture more? Or the roads literally paved with the pulverized bones of the murdered?


Did I say it was Auschwitz directly? No. I said it was similar looking to the barracks in the camp.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:54 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The children are innocent and do not deserve to be traumatized and scarred for life and border agents laughing about it and making fun of them is reprehensible and they ought to be ashamed

And whose fault is it for bringing their children here, it's the parents fault. Better treatment for kids, yes, but frankly they should be separated at least, and the parents punished in some way.


Therefore children should be punished through no fault of their own and held hostage by white nationalists like Trump and Sessions. That is state sponsored kidnapping and exactly what the Nazis did.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
>Look eerily like Auschwitz.

Really? Is it because of the gas chambers? Or the ovens? Or the slave labor factories, where the poor victims are worked to death building munitions so their captors can go capture more? Or the roads literally paved with the pulverized bones of the murdered?


Did I say it was Auschwitz directly? No. I said it was similar looking to the barracks in the camp.


No you didn't. It's right fucking there lol. You just said it looked like Auschwitz and now you're backpedaling hard.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
They're monsters because they vote for people that disagree with you? :^)


Its called having compassion. Your a parent right? Does what is happening not shock you?


Uh huh. Yes. Certainly, it''s appalling, and repulsive. If I had the power to do so I'd sack everyone who had a part in implementing this. But to say that this is literally holocaust level is absurd. Its downright insulting to the millions who were literally exterminated like vermin for nothing more than their ethnic group.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:And whose fault is it for bringing their children here, it's the parents fault. Better treatment for kids, yes, but frankly they should be separated at least, and the parents punished in some way.


Therefore children should be punished through no fault of their own and held hostage by white nationalists like Trump and Sessions. That is state sponsored kidnapping and exactly what the Nazis did.

No it's not and I said none of what you just said.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Then this country truly has no compassion or empathy and it is full of monsters. I truly dont know it anymore.


They're monsters because they vote for people that disagree with you? :^)


Tbh, there are parallels that can be drawn with how Nazi Germany invading Norway, the Lebensborn program, and breaking up families currently in the US. The difference is that, more often than not, these kids are placed with their own extended families rather than being given to strangers. But you're still wresting them away from their parents.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:56 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Its called having compassion. Your a parent right? Does what is happening not shock you?


Uh huh. Yes. Certainly, it''s appalling, and repulsive. If I had the power to do so I'd sack everyone who had a part in implementing this. But to say that this is literally holocaust level is absurd. Its downright insulting to the millions who were literally exterminated like vermin for nothing more than their ethnic group.


Well, no one individually would have that kinda power, but we all collectively could have that kind of power <3

And yeah, what San said is insulting, but there's a bit of merit to what's being said for what it's worth. The Holocaust never started off with mass-exterminations, that was the last step to literally thousands of steps leading into it.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:57 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Therefore children should be punished through no fault of their own and held hostage by white nationalists like Trump and Sessions. That is state sponsored kidnapping and exactly what the Nazis did.

No it's not and I said none of what you just said.


By supporting separating children your are supporting state sponsored terrorism.

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