US immigration breaking up families

[The Parkus Empire]

Certainly, that's what deterrent is all about. There is, as it stands, not a very strong incentive not to cross illegally. California is offering sanctuary and protection from the Federal government to anyone who makes it across, and several times illegal immigrants have been granted amnesty en masse. There is, as it stands, enormous incentive to cross illegally, hence an increase in the deterrent.

Don't forget that in addition to "deterrence" Trump is holding these kids hostage to try and get the Democrats to vote to fund his wall.

I doubt they'll cave. The wall would keep out too many voters (even if illegals can't vote, kids they bear here can), whereas the kids are a long-shot gamble at ever even becoming voters.

[San Lumen]

People should start calling this what is state sponsored kidnapping. Kidnapping for the sake of coercing the government is terrorism under US Law but the rule of law doesn't apply to Republicans. And these for profit dentition centers violate the 13th amendment too.

[Farnhamia]

Lmao now this is some pure ideology.

We owe these people nothing, they can be miserable in their third world hellholes well away from here. Legitimately all I see is "OHNO, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" as a counter argument, and it's getting stupid. Yes, let us think of the children in a demographic context and how there are millions of the little bastards from those drug & crime infested hellholes. I do not want those foreigners or their spawn in my country, period.

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[Ifreann]

People should start calling this what is state sponsored kidnapping. Kidnapping for the sake of coercing the government is terrorism under US Law but the rule of law doesn't apply to Republicans. And these for profit dentition centers violate the 13th amendment too.

The 13th? How's that?

[San Lumen]

People should start calling this what is state sponsored kidnapping. Kidnapping for the sake of coercing the government is terrorism under US Law but the rule of law doesn't apply to Republicans. And these for profit dentition centers violate the 13th amendment too.

The 13th? How's that?

For one thing children are being held against their will

[Ifreann]

The 13th? How's that?

For one thing children are being held against their will

Which has nothing to do with the 13th. What else you got?

[San Lumen]

For one thing children are being held against their will

Which has nothing to do with the 13th. What else you got?

well it is state sponsored kidnapping and the whole thing is very reminiscent of what the Nazis did in auschwitz

[Ifreann]

Which has nothing to do with the 13th. What else you got?

well it is state sponsored kidnapping and the whole thing is very reminiscent of what the Nazis did in auschwitz

You do know that the 13th is the amendment banning slavery, right?

[Benuty]

We owe these people nothing, they can be miserable in their third world hellholes well away from here. Legitimately all I see is "OHNO, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" as a counter argument, and it's getting stupid. Yes, let us think of the children in a demographic context and how there are millions of the little bastards from those drug & crime infested hellholes. I do not want those foreigners or their spawn in my country, period.

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Not sure how nativism is trolling.

[Grenartia]

Last I checked, you were British. Not American. Therefore, following with Trump's America First spiel, your opinion, as a foreigner, is worth less than mine, as a natural-born citizen.

1. Supporting open borders while simultaneously telling foreigners they shouldn't interfere in American politics is highly hypocritical.

And I say fuck this inhuman bullshit, and a rusty cactus up the ass of each of the people who ordered this policy change.

2. That's a rude thing to say to Obama.

1. Nice try, blatantly lying and misrepresenting me. I never said I wanted 'open' borders.

2. Good thing I said it to Trump and his cabinet, then.

[New Emeline]

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Not sure how nativism is trolling.

I think referring to them as “spawn” is what the mods didn’t like.

[Grenartia]

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Not sure how nativism is trolling.

It was the way it was said. Come on, we've both been here more than long enough to know that people with waaay worse views are allowed to say it here, as long as it doesn't cross the line.

[Freezic Vast]

Not sure how nativism is trolling.

I think referring to them as “spawn” is what the mods didn’t like.

I think it was the "little bastards" line, since it looks bolded when Farn gave out the warning.

But anyway, this is getting off-topic.

[Petrasylvania]

well it is state sponsored kidnapping and the whole thing is very reminiscent of what the Nazis did in auschwitz

You do know that the 13th is the amendment banning slavery, right?

And then we find out the kids are being used as free labor at the detention centers, or worse sex slaves.

[San Marlindo]

Anyone defending this barbarism needs to watch this. I could not say it better myself. If a Holocaust survivor is calling the actions of this administration Nazi like then they are.

ICE and Border Patrol should be defying orders to separate families and place children in interment camp like faculties

Which they won't do, for reason including, but not limited to, the fact that a lot of them are probably loving running these concentration camps.

I have two Hispanic friends from Laredo. They said ICE and the Border Patrol have offered people in their community extremely good benefits and extremely hefty financial bonuses if they join up. They want Hispanic Americans (especially those who are natural born citizens) who can speak Spanish, and they want them bad.

If you live on a watermelon ranch in Laredo and your prospects are nil it starts to sound pretty good. Especially if ICE or Border Patrol offers you better pay, more benefits, and bigger bonuses than the military ever could.

People join the Border Patrol for many, many different reasons. I suspect few of them do it because they like being placed in charge of detention facilities.

[Grenartia]

Which they won't do, for reason including, but not limited to, the fact that a lot of them are probably loving running these concentration camps.

I have two Hispanic friends from Laredo. They said ICE and the Border Patrol have offered people in their community extremely good benefits and extremely hefty financial bonuses if they join up. They want Hispanic Americans (especially those who are natural born citizens) who can speak Spanish, and they want them bad.

Something tells me that a good part of the reason why they want Hispanic Americans is to deflect accusations of being racist.

[San Marlindo]

You do know that the 13th is the amendment banning slavery, right?

And then we find out the kids are being used as free labor at the detention centers, or worse sex slaves.

It is pretty galling how many of them are slipping through the cracks and disappearing into the US without paper trails, into the hands of God knows who.

But that's a poor reflection on the federal childcare services in general.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Again the "Disagreement" line.

"I disagree with murdering Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals en masse... but I'll still fight for lebensraum!"

Tell me more about how invading other countries is defending your own.

No one wants to think bad of people they care about, but that doesn't change facts.

Nazi Germany was run by good liars. He did the wrong thing with good intentions. He disagreed but he believed that it was better for his country and his family. Because the Nazis lied.

Nothing done by Nazi Germany or its leaders was good intended. I can't fathom why you would let your love of your country blind you this way. Ferdinand and Isabella kicked the Jews out of Spain because they thought it was the best thing to do, yet that doesn't mean it was good intended at all, and they most certainly should be criticized for it. No matter how much I love Spain, what the Catholic monarchs did was fucked up, whatever their intentions were.

[Petrasylvania]

And then we find out the kids are being used as free labor at the detention centers, or worse sex slaves.

It is pretty galling how many of them are slipping through the cracks and disappearing into the US without paper trails, into the hands of God knows who.

But that's a poor reflection on the federal childcare services in general.

What happens when a party that hates government is running the government.

[Petrasylvania]

Nazi Germany was run by good liars. He did the wrong thing with good intentions. He disagreed but he believed that it was better for his country and his family. Because the Nazis lied.

Nothing done by Nazi Germany or its leaders was good intended. I can't fathom why you would let your love of your country blind you this way. Ferdinand and Isabella kicked the Jews out of Spain because they thought it was the best thing to do, yet that doesn't mean it was good intended at all, and they most certainly should be criticized for it. No matter how much I love Spain, what the Catholic monarchs did was fucked up, whatever their intentions were.

Think he said Grampa was played by the Nazis.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Nazi Germany was run by good liars. He did the wrong thing with good intentions. He disagreed but he believed that it was better for his country and his family. Because the Nazis lied.

Nothing done by Nazi Germany or its leaders was good intended. I can't fathom why you would let your love of your country blind you this way. Ferdinand and Isabella kicked the Jews out of Spain because they thought it was the best thing to do, yet that doesn't mean it was good intended at all, and they most certainly should be criticized for it. No matter how much I love Spain, what the Catholic monarchs did was fucked up, whatever their intentions were.

They kicked out the Muslims too.

[Petrasylvania]

Nothing done by Nazi Germany or its leaders was good intended. I can't fathom why you would let your love of your country blind you this way. Ferdinand and Isabella kicked the Jews out of Spain because they thought it was the best thing to do, yet that doesn't mean it was good intended at all, and they most certainly should be criticized for it. No matter how much I love Spain, what the Catholic monarchs did was fucked up, whatever their intentions were.

They kicked out the Muslims too.

And after all the Moors did for Spain.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Nothing done by Nazi Germany or its leaders was good intended. I can't fathom why you would let your love of your country blind you this way. Ferdinand and Isabella kicked the Jews out of Spain because they thought it was the best thing to do, yet that doesn't mean it was good intended at all, and they most certainly should be criticized for it. No matter how much I love Spain, what the Catholic monarchs did was fucked up, whatever their intentions were.

They kicked out the Muslims too.

Which was wrong too. More so because they had promised not to touch the Muslim community.

[Petrasylvania]

They kicked out the Muslims too.

Which was wrong too. More so because they had promised not to touch the Muslim community.

If it happened today they'd be celebrated as heroes.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Which was wrong too. More so because they had promised not to touch the Muslim community.

If it happened today they'd be celebrated as heroes.

Anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe has grown so much that it is possible they would be hailed as heroes if this was done today. But better not to derail, and I'm talking about myself. I do see parallels, mind you.

The truth is that what the US is doing regarding breaking up families of illegal immigrants, is wrong. I'm well aware that there are laws that must be followed but the way they're implementing them is reprehensible.