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Should illegal families be separated

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:26 pm

Geneviev wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Lmao he was a piece of shit, no idea why you would want to compare yourself to him

Fighting for the wrong side, sure. Piece of shit, no.


I'd say it depends, really. What was his role in the Wehrmacht (or whichever other branch he served in)?

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Torrocca wrote:
>Blames parents for trying to get their families, including their kids, out of shitty situations
>Fine with government entities tossing those families back into such shitty situations that could possibly include loss of life because of things like drug cartels

Hmm

Does the U.S. really need more people already being crammed into its bloated cities?


Do these people really need to be sent back to life-threatening situations?

Also, a literal metric fuckton of the US has literally nobody living in it. It could easily take in more people.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:30 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Hakons wrote:It's a moral shame. If we're going to detain asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, they must be detained as family units.

Sessions tried to justify the policy by citing a verse in Romans that says to obey the law. He subsequently got blasted by pretty much every American religious authority, including by leadership in his own denomination.

Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. -Isaiah

I notice we don't detain other lawbreakers as family units.

Generally the dependents of other lawbreakers are not themselves incarcerated.

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Postby Ieskarios » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:31 pm

Torrocca wrote:Do these people really need to be sent back to life-threatening situations?

Also, a literal metric fuckton of the US has literally nobody living in it. It could easily take in more people.

Some of them will have to go back, sorry about that.

And yes there is lots of land where people can settle, but guess what? A large number of them won't go live in rural Nebraska, they're going to flood into NYC, Houston, Los Angeles, and any other major urban center you can think of.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:33 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Geneviev wrote:World War 2. Russia. Germany didn't do all that well.

Lmao he was a piece of shit, no idea why you would want to compare yourself to him

The fucking edge in you really shows today.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:33 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I notice we don't detain other lawbreakers as family units.

Generally the dependents of other lawbreakers are not themselves incarcerated.

Oh, when both parents are incarcerated, the kids are definitely placed somewhere unless extended family will take care of them.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:35 pm

Ieskarios wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Do these people really need to be sent back to life-threatening situations?

Also, a literal metric fuckton of the US has literally nobody living in it. It could easily take in more people.

Some of them will have to go back, sorry about that.

And yes there is lots of land where people can settle, but guess what? A large number of them won't go live in rural Nebraska, they're going to flood into NYC, Houston, Los Angeles, and any other major urban center you can think of.


What kind of opportunity is there in rural Nebraska

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:36 pm

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And you call yourself an American? Shame on you. On what grounds could Birthright citizenship be ruled unconstitutional. Its in the 14th amendment.

That part of the 14th amendment should not exist, it causes automatic Dacas, it causes illegal immigration.


Well it does and its not going to be altered.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:That part of the 14th amendment should not exist, it causes automatic Dacas, it causes illegal immigration.


Well it does and its not going to be altered.

Then Trump needs to send Federal troops into California to override SB-54
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:39 pm

Benuty wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Lmao he was a piece of shit, no idea why you would want to compare yourself to him

The fucking edge in you really shows today.

It's edgy to think that a Nazi soldier was a piece of shit?

Weird.


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Ifreann wrote:Generally the dependents of other lawbreakers are not themselves incarcerated.

Oh, when both parents are incarcerated, the kids are definitely placed somewhere unless extended family will take care of them.

I'm sure there are problems with foster care in America, because there are problems with everything in America, but foster care isn't jail, isn't prison, and isn't a tent city in Texas in the summer.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:40 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
Well it does and its not going to be altered.

Then Trump needs to send Federal troops into California to override SB-54

Federal power is okay when it's used against brown people, liberals, and the poor.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:42 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Well it does and its not going to be altered.

Then Trump needs to send Federal troops into California to override SB-54


Overide what? And then do what arrest the Governor and state legislature and most large city mayors and any law enforcement that oppose him?

That's something Stalin or Hitler would have done.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Benuty wrote:The fucking edge in you really shows today.

It's edgy to think that a Nazi soldier was a piece of shit?

Weird.

Actually, he wasn't. The country he was fighting for was run by one. But he wasn't.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Benuty wrote:The fucking edge in you really shows today.

It's edgy to think that a Nazi soldier was a piece of shit?

Weird.


The Parkus Empire wrote:Oh, when both parents are incarcerated, the kids are definitely placed somewhere unless extended family will take care of them.

I'm sure there are problems with foster care in America, because there are problems with everything in America, but foster care isn't jail, isn't prison, and isn't a tent city in Texas in the summer.


Oh good the edgelord has come out in you too, but you don't have an excuse unlike living meme Mr "I need to destroy civilization" Merizoc.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:I'm sure there are problems with foster care in America, because there are problems with everything in America, but foster care isn't jail, isn't prison, and isn't a tent city in Texas in the summer.

That's correct, children charged with crimes are typically sent to different accommodations.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:44 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Then Trump needs to send Federal troops into California to override SB-54

Federal power is okay when it's used against brown people, liberals, and the poor.

Federal power is okay when it's used to enforce Constitutional Federal law. Always has been.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Then Trump needs to send Federal troops into California to override SB-54


Overide what? And then do what arrest the Governor and state legislature and most large city mayors and any law enforcement that oppose him?

That's something Stalin or Hitler would have done.

No, he can't charge them with any crime, that would be absurd. Of course they can protest if they want, but nothing would happen to them unless they started a treason.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:45 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Federal power is okay when it's used against brown people, liberals, and the poor.

Federal power is okay when it's used to enforce Constitutional Federal law. Always has been.

No need to hide it, your opinions on enforcement of Federal law in the past have been clear; don't you know that being honest about your politics is okay now?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:46 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Overide what? And then do what arrest the Governor and state legislature and most large city mayors and any law enforcement that oppose him?

That's something Stalin or Hitler would have done.

No, he can't charge them with any crime, that would be absurd. Of course they can protest if they want, but nothing would happen to them unless they started a treason.


A treason?

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Postby Benuty » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:46 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's edgy to think that a Nazi soldier was a piece of shit?

Weird.

Actually, he wasn't. The country he was fighting for was run by one. But he wasn't.


Apparently, context is dead so therefore I will increase this to the maximum size, and leave this for those who are the treasured alumni of the school of assumption.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Federal power is okay when it's used to enforce Constitutional Federal law. Always has been.

No need to hide it, your opinions on enforcement of Federal law in the past have been clear; don't you know that being honest about your politics is okay now?


Jacobin, your opinions on killing rich people and those in government has been clear in the past, therefore you obviously support it across the board.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:48 pm

Benuty wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Actually, he wasn't. The country he was fighting for was run by one. But he wasn't.


Apparently, context is dead so therefore I will increase this to the maximum size, and leave this for those who are the treasured alumni of the school of assumption.

"I'm not a Nazi, I'm just fighting for Nazis"

What a huge difference.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:No, he can't charge them with any crime, that would be absurd. Of course they can protest if they want, but nothing would happen to them unless they started a treason.


A treason?

Constitutionally defined, it means taking up arms against the gubment (or harboring or aiding those who do). Fort Sumter, etc.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:49 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:Jacobin, your opinions on killing rich people and those in government has been clear in the past, therefore you obviously support it across the board.

My opinions on killing the uncooperative in a revolution and overthrowing oppressive governments haven't changed, despite your attempts to portray me as an anarchist. :)
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:50 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Benuty wrote:
Apparently, context is dead so therefore I will increase this to the maximum size, and leave this for those who are the treasured alumni of the school of assumption.

"I'm not a Nazi, I'm just fighting for Nazis"

What a huge difference.

Fighting for Nazi Germany.

Defending his country even though he disagreed with it.

Nazis were disgusting. What they did was abominable. What my great grandfather did was neither.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:50 pm

Ieskarios wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>Blames parents for trying to get their families, including their kids, out of shitty situations
>Fine with government entities tossing those families back into such shitty situations that could possibly include loss of life because of things like drug cartels

Hmm

Does the U.S. really need more people already being crammed into its bloated cities?

Malthusianism is such a stale old meme.
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