US immigration breaking up families

[Greater Miami Shores]

lol, Read the substance of the white supremacist rag past thier right wing supremacist rhetoric.

13 Facts the (leftist fake news) Media ‘Pros’ Don’t Want You to Know About ‘Family Border Separation’
Because of “catch and release,” this dumb and destructive loophole, the number of illegal aliens using children to enter the U.S. increased by 315 percent between October 2017 and February 2018. Anything other than zero tolerance only serves as an incentive for human traffickers and other criminals to use these children as their free pass into America.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... eparation/

US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants needs to end, it should be part of any Daca deal, I think the US is one of the very few nations that practice this, I think the US Supreme Court has never officially endorsed US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants, I think the US Supreme Court is ready to rule against this practice, or do we need one or two more conservative justices on the US Supreme Court for them to declare this practice illegal, I don't think its in the US constitution, does anyone here know more about this issue constitutionally and in practice?

No one has the right to emigrate illegally to another nation, you don't just say surprise I'm here you have to make me legal, I sent my kid first you have to make me legal, I had a kid in America now he is American and I am too, you have to make us legal, so where is my million dollars that I am demanding? I support the Great Wall of Trump, but we don't need the Great Wall of Trump, legal l immigration is legal immigration, illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants.

And you call yourself an American? Shame on you. On what grounds could Birthright citizenship be ruled unconstitutional. Its in the 14th amendment.

That part of the 14th amendment should not exist, it causes automatic Dacas, it causes illegal immigration.

[Ifreann]

And you call yourself an American? Shame on you. On what grounds could Birthright citizenship be ruled unconstitutional. Its in the 14th amendment.

That part of the 14th amendment should not exist, it causes automatic Dacas, it causes illegal immigration.

No it doesn't.

[Liriena]

And what's the problem with that?

The problem is that it's stupid that an illegal immigrant can keep living in a foreign land that they are not a citizen of since they popped out a kid in the country. Countries that require parents to be citizens in order to gain citizenship to said nation are the example we should look to today, as it discourages this anchor baby tactic from being legally used to remain in the country at the threat of breaking up a family.

Why? I mean, what's the actual material consequence of it that bothers you so much? Are the parents and their children universally bad people?

[Greater Miami Shores]

I think people should pace themselves with their outrage on this. The problem is that most republicans are ok with this. Trump wasn't just elected to stop immigration, he was elected to punish illegal immigrants so their families being split up and kids being in cages sounds inhumane to most people but most republicans are probably ok with it. They're getting what they voted for. Outrage won't work because trumps supporters are aware of the problem and are happy about it. If people want it to stop, they need to remember that this kind of thing is republican policy and vote against it. Otherwise that 30% of Americans will re-elect Trump and his party and they'll keep doing this to children and worse.

lol, you mean like President Obama detained children in concentration camps,

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/18/liber ... detention/

http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/unde ... he-border/

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/the-same ... n-centers/

No, this goes back to the Clinton Admistration. And interestingly enough, the Obama Admin held more than double the number of children in these facilities. This only now became an issue because Trump is president.

The great deporter in Chief Obama deported when he felt like it politically and un deported when he felt like it politically and deported when he felt like it politically, lol.

[Geneviev]

And you call yourself an American? Shame on you. On what grounds could Birthright citizenship be ruled unconstitutional. Its in the 14th amendment.

That part of the 14th amendment should not exist, it causes automatic Dacas, it causes illegal immigration.

Birthright citizenship causes me.

And I assure you, I and everyone I know who is a 14th amendment citizen would be prepared to die for this country.

[Ieskarios]

Why? I mean, what's the actual material consequence of it that bothers you so much? Are the parents and their children universally bad people?

I don't care about the child, since it wasn't their fault. But the parent of said child is at fault for putting them in that position. I'd say that's bad.

[Liriena]

I think people should pace themselves with their outrage on this. The problem is that most republicans are ok with this. Trump wasn't just elected to stop immigration, he was elected to punish illegal immigrants so their families being split up and kids being in cages sounds inhumane to most people but most republicans are probably ok with it. They're getting what they voted for. Outrage won't work because trumps supporters are aware of the problem and are happy about it. If people want it to stop, they need to remember that this kind of thing is republican policy and vote against it. Otherwise that 30% of Americans will re-elect Trump and his party and they'll keep doing this to children and worse.

lol, you mean like President Obama detained children in concentration camps,

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/18/liber ... detention/

http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/unde ... he-border/

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/the-same ... n-centers/

No, this goes back to the Clinton Admistration. And interestingly enough, the Obama Admin held more than double the number of children in these facilities. This only now became an issue because Trump is president.

The great deporter in Chief Obama deported when he felt like it politically and un deported when he felt like it politically and deported when he felt like it politically, lol.

I am fascinated by the underlying assumptions one would have to make in order to think the Obama whataboutism is an effective tactic.

[Ieskarios]

And I assure you, I and everyone I know who is a 14th amendment citizen would be prepared to die for this country.

Even in Trump's America, you would be prepared to die for the country? :^)

[Geneviev]

And I assure you, I and everyone I know who is a 14th amendment citizen would be prepared to die for this country.

Even in Trump's America, you would be prepared to die for the country? :^)

Just as my great-grandfather gave his right arm for Germany. I actually would.

Being a committed pacifist, if I had to, I really would still die for America.

[Liriena]

Why? I mean, what's the actual material consequence of it that bothers you so much? Are the parents and their children universally bad people?

I don't care about the child, since it wasn't their fault. But the parent of said child is at fault for putting them in that position. I'd say that's bad.

Because?

What actual, material harm do the human beings you disdainfully refer to as "anchor babies" cause?

[Torrocca]

Why? I mean, what's the actual material consequence of it that bothers you so much? Are the parents and their children universally bad people?

I don't care about the child, since it wasn't their fault. But the parent of said child is at fault for putting them in that position. I'd say that's bad.

>Blames parents for trying to get their families, including their kids, out of shitty situations
>Fine with government entities tossing those families back into such shitty situations that could possibly include loss of life because of things like drug cartels

Hmm

[Benuty]

It really isn't. Borders and walls serve purposes, it's why they've been employed in trouble areas with the necessary people to economize manpower and interrupt lines of movement. Mexico is a failed state. We can address that two ways, direct intervention or insulate ourselves from their problems. It would costs trillions and buckets of blood to save them from themselves, not mention human rights sorts like yourself would cry bloody murder. It is much cheaper in money, lives and political capital to build a wall. Not a discount old style one but one along the lines of the Saudi-Iraqi border that Bechtel and others built. Lucky for us, the firms that built that are in the states, so we've plenty of experience in making that sort of thing work.

Ladders and tunnels, tho...

Not if the area around the wall has any trace of life exterminated within a certain distance.

[Benuty]

Nonsense, it would work great. You can't have a problem with immigrant families if you nuke all of them and the countries they came from.

Also, can't have a problem with immigration if there's no country to migrate to. ;3

Especially if the country being immigrated too goes full Elysium, and leaves the planet.

[Liriena]

Ladders and tunnels, tho...

Not if the area around the wall has any trace of life exterminated within a certain distance.

Ah, yes, the Israeli doctrine.

[MERIZoC]

That part of the 14th amendment should not exist, it causes automatic Dacas, it causes illegal immigration.

Birthright citizenship causes me.

And I assure you, I and everyone I know who is a 14th amendment citizen would be prepared to die for this country.

Lol not me thanks

[Geneviev]

Birthright citizenship causes me.

And I assure you, I and everyone I know who is a 14th amendment citizen would be prepared to die for this country.

Lol not me thanks

Everyone I know minus one.

[MERIZoC]

Even in Trump's America, you would be prepared to die for the country? :^)

Just as my great-grandfather gave his right arm for Germany. I actually would.

Being a committed pacifist, if I had to, I really would still die for America.

Uhhhhhh what war was this your great grandfather gave his arm in

[Benuty]

Not if the area around the wall has any trace of life exterminated within a certain distance.

Ah, yes, the Israeli doctrine.

Not even that, you think its a coincidence the military is becoming increasingly in love with robotics?

No humans involved equals no moral conflict as robotic military assets will follow their programming.

[Geneviev]

Just as my great-grandfather gave his right arm for Germany. I actually would.

Being a committed pacifist, if I had to, I really would still die for America.

Uhhhhhh what war was this your great grandfather gave his arm in

World War 2. Russia. Germany didn't do all that well.

[MERIZoC]

Uhhhhhh what war was this your great grandfather gave his arm in

World War 2. Russia. Germany didn't do all that well.

Lmao he was a piece of shit, no idea why you would want to compare yourself to him

[The East Marches II]

It really isn't. Borders and walls serve purposes, it's why they've been employed in trouble areas with the necessary people to economize manpower and interrupt lines of movement. Mexico is a failed state. We can address that two ways, direct intervention or insulate ourselves from their problems. It would costs trillions and buckets of blood to save them from themselves, not mention human rights sorts like yourself would cry bloody murder. It is much cheaper in money, lives and political capital to build a wall. Not a discount old style one but one along the lines of the Saudi-Iraqi border that Bechtel and others built. Lucky for us, the firms that built that are in the states, so we've plenty of experience in making that sort of thing work.

Ladders and tunnels, tho...

Thats why I said Saudi Wall :^)

This discount Israeli style one is for skrubs

[Ifreann]

This only now became an issue because Trump is president.

That's really not true.

[Geneviev]

World War 2. Russia. Germany didn't do all that well.

Lmao he was a piece of shit, no idea why you would want to compare yourself to him

Fighting for the wrong side, sure. Piece of shit, no.

[The Parkus Empire]

It's a moral shame. If we're going to detain asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, they must be detained as family units.

Sessions tried to justify the policy by citing a verse in Romans that says to obey the law. He subsequently got blasted by pretty much every American religious authority, including by leadership in his own denomination.

Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. -Isaiah

I notice we don't detain other lawbreakers as family units.

[Ieskarios]

I don't care about the child, since it wasn't their fault. But the parent of said child is at fault for putting them in that position. I'd say that's bad.

>Blames parents for trying to get their families, including their kids, out of shitty situations
>Fine with government entities tossing those families back into such shitty situations that could possibly include loss of life because of things like drug cartels

Hmm

Does the U.S. really need more people already being crammed into its bloated cities?