US immigration breaking up families

[Ieskarios]

Undermining long-enshrined constitutional rights because muh ethno-state.

I don't support opening it on grounds of "muh ethnostate", but on grounds of illegals using U.S.-born children as leverage to stay in the country. And if "undermining long-enshrined constitutional rights" is such a bad thing, all those asking to repeal the 2nd Amendment should also be reprimanded.

[MERIZoC]

13 Facts the (leftist fake news) Media ‘Pros’ Don’t Want You to Know About ‘Family Border Separation’
Because of “catch and release,” this dumb and destructive loophole, the number of illegal aliens using children to enter the U.S. increased by 315 percent between October 2017 and February 2018. Anything other than zero tolerance only serves as an incentive for human traffickers and other criminals to use these children as their free pass into America.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... eparation/

US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants needs to end, it should be part of any Daca deal, I think the US is one of the very few nations that practice this, I think the US Supreme Court has never officially endorsed US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants, I think the US Supreme Court is ready to rule against this practice, or do we need one or two more conservative justices on the US Supreme Court for them to declare this practice illegal, I don't think its in the US constitution, does anyone here know more about this issue constitutionally and in practice?

No one has the right to emigrate illegally to another nation, you don't just say surprise I'm here you have to make me legal, I sent my kid first you have to make me legal, I had a kid in America now he is American and I am too, you have to make us legal, so where is my million dollars that I am demanding? I support the Great Wall of Trump, but we don't need the Great Wall of Trump, legal l immigration is legal immigration, illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants.

xenophobic gusanos are the funniest shit ever

[The East Marches II]

You are having a lol attack, Liriena my friend, lol, Lets RP close economic, political and cultural relations with one of my RP nations, send me a friendly TG.

Thanks for the offer.

Back to the actual topic though... supporting a border wall while admitting that it's unnecessary is kinda self-sabotage-ish. Not that I disagree with you: beyond the fact that the mere idea of a militarized border wall is despicable and stupid, history has not been particularly kind to such structures (friendly reminder that the Great Wall of China was defeated by a single bribe).

It really isn't. Borders and walls serve purposes, it's why they've been employed in trouble areas with the necessary people to economize manpower and interrupt lines of movement. Mexico is a failed state. We can address that two ways, direct intervention or insulate ourselves from their problems. It would costs trillions and buckets of blood to save them from themselves, not mention human rights sorts like yourself would cry bloody murder. It is much cheaper in money, lives and political capital to build a wall. Not a discount old style one but one along the lines of the Saudi-Iraqi border that Bechtel and others built. Lucky for us, the firms that built that are in the states, so we've plenty of experience in making that sort of thing work.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Part of his point is, if thier were zero tolerence thier would be no concentration camps for children, thier would be no illegal immigration.

Counterpoint: if Republican cunts had stopped sucking their own ethno-nationalist dicks and tried to pass decent immigration reform, "zero tolerance" would have been rendered functionally pointless.

Even Obama held children in concentration camps, lol.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06 ... itics.html

Fuck Obama for it.

Geesh, that was easy.

'Fuck Obama for it Geesh, that was easy' lol, I agree.
lol, zero tolerance is what is needed with illegal immigration, that is why we dont need the Great Wall of Trump.

The Great Wall of Trump RP:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=434315&p=33498816&hilit=the+great+wall+of+trump#p33498816

[Liriena]

lol, zero tolerance is what is needed with illegal immigration

Because, as we all know, treating immigrants with cruelty will solve all the underlying problems that cause undocumented immigration in the first place.

[Liriena]

Undermining long-enshrined constitutional rights because muh ethno-state.

I don't support opening it on grounds of "muh ethnostate", but on grounds of illegals using U.S.-born children as leverage to stay in the country.

And what's the problem with that?

And if "undermining long-enshrined constitutional rights" is such a bad thing, all those asking to repeal the 2nd Amendment should also be reprimanded.

Sure.

Lately, I've been leaning in favour of an "arm the workers" policy. ;3

[Greater Miami Shores]

13 Facts the (leftist fake news) Media ‘Pros’ Don’t Want You to Know About ‘Family Border Separation’
Because of “catch and release,” this dumb and destructive loophole, the number of illegal aliens using children to enter the U.S. increased by 315 percent between October 2017 and February 2018. Anything other than zero tolerance only serves as an incentive for human traffickers and other criminals to use these children as their free pass into America.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... eparation/

US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants needs to end, it should be part of any Daca deal, I think the US is one of the very few nations that practice this, I think the US Supreme Court has never officially endorsed US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants, I think the US Supreme Court is ready to rule against this practice, or do we need one or two more conservative justices on the US Supreme Court for them to declare this practice illegal, I don't think its in the US constitution, does anyone here know more about this issue constitutionally and in practice?

No one has the right to emigrate illegally to another nation, you don't just say surprise I'm here you have to make me legal, I sent my kid first you have to make me legal, I had a kid in America now he is American and I am too, you have to make us legal, so where is my million dollars that I am demanding? I support the Great Wall of Trump, but we don't need the Great Wall of Trump, legal l immigration is legal immigration, illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants.

xenophobic gusanos are the funniest shit ever

lol, you forgot Gusano Worms, Escoria Scums that I wear with pride anyways.

[Liriena]

Thanks for the offer.

Back to the actual topic though... supporting a border wall while admitting that it's unnecessary is kinda self-sabotage-ish. Not that I disagree with you: beyond the fact that the mere idea of a militarized border wall is despicable and stupid, history has not been particularly kind to such structures (friendly reminder that the Great Wall of China was defeated by a single bribe).

It really isn't. Borders and walls serve purposes, it's why they've been employed in trouble areas with the necessary people to economize manpower and interrupt lines of movement. Mexico is a failed state. We can address that two ways, direct intervention or insulate ourselves from their problems. It would costs trillions and buckets of blood to save them from themselves, not mention human rights sorts like yourself would cry bloody murder. It is much cheaper in money, lives and political capital to build a wall. Not a discount old style one but one along the lines of the Saudi-Iraqi border that Bechtel and others built. Lucky for us, the firms that built that are in the states, so we've plenty of experience in making that sort of thing work.

Ladders and tunnels, tho...

[Greater Miami Shores]

lol, zero tolerance is what is needed with illegal immigration

Because, as we all know, treating immigrants with cruelty will solve all the underlying problems that cause undocumented immigration in the first place.

lol, I cant believe you missed the point Liriena my friend, zero tolerance, no illegal immigration, no concentration camps for children under Trump or Obama, no problems.

[Liriena]

Because, as we all know, treating immigrants with cruelty will solve all the underlying problems that cause undocumented immigration in the first place.

lol, I cant believe you missed the point Liriena my friend, zero tolerance, no illegal immigration, no concentration camps for children under Trump or Obama, no problems.

"Zero tolerance" doesn't address the underlying historical and socioeconomic causes of undocumented immigration. It's the immigration enforcement equivalent of mandatory minimum sentencing for minor drug offenses.

[Fartsniffage]

Because, as we all know, treating immigrants with cruelty will solve all the underlying problems that cause undocumented immigration in the first place.

lol, I cant believe you missed the point Liriena my friend, zero tolerance, no illegal immigration, no concentration camps for children under Trump or Obama, no problems.

The US government has zero tolerance for murder. People still get murdered....

[Tobleste]

I think people should pace themselves with their outrage on this. The problem is that most republicans are ok with this. Trump wasn't just elected to stop immigration, he was elected to punish illegal immigrants so their families being split up and kids being in cages sounds inhumane to most people but most republicans are probably ok with it. They're getting what they voted for. Outrage won't work because trumps supporters are aware of the problem and are happy about it. If people want it to stop, they need to remember that this kind of thing is republican policy and vote against it. Otherwise that 30% of Americans will re-elect Trump and his party and they'll keep doing this to children and worse.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Trump’s garbage policies are garbage, it’s almost as if he’s trying to bury his political career under a mountain of trash on purpose.

I'd reject your affections... but I see you've embraced Posadism, so I'll allow it.

I've reached the logical conclusion that any problem facing our species can be solved via liberal usage of nuclear weapons. It's pretty genius in all honesty, Posadas was onto something.

This whole “posadism” thing just seems like a really bad meme.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This whole “posadism” thing just seems like a really bad meme.

Nonsense, it would work great. You can't have a problem with immigrant families if you nuke all of them and the countries they came from.

[Ifreann]

lol, I cant believe you missed the point Liriena my friend, zero tolerance, no illegal immigration, no concentration camps for children under Trump or Obama, no problems.

The US government has zero tolerance for murder. People still get murdered....

Negative one tolerance for illegal immigration! One American citizen will be exiled with every immigrant deported.

[Liriena]

This whole “posadism” thing just seems like a really bad meme.

Nonsense, it would work great. You can't have a problem with immigrant families if you nuke all of them and the countries they came from.

Also, can't have a problem with immigration if there's no country to migrate to. ;3

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

This whole “posadism” thing just seems like a really bad meme.

Nonsense, it would work great. You can't have a problem with immigrant families if you nuke all of them and the countries they came from.

Or better yet, you also can’t have illegal immigration if there’s no more humans left to illegally immigrate ;^)

[Ifreann]

Nonsense, it would work great. You can't have a problem with immigrant families if you nuke all of them and the countries they came from.

Also, can't have a problem with immigration if there's no country to migrate to. ;3

What if the talking dolphins start migrating?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nonsense, it would work great. You can't have a problem with immigrant families if you nuke all of them and the countries they came from.

Or better yet, you also can’t have illegal immigration if there’s no more humans left to illegally immigrate ;^)

Y E S

Every man should be given a hydrogen bomb ASAP to make this happen.

[Conserative Morality]

Anything to keep those subhuman juveniles in cages, I see.

This is so sad can we abolish the rule of law?

Don't worry, you already made it clear how hard it got you. You don't have to pretend. =^)

[San Lumen]

I think people should pace themselves with their outrage on this. The problem is that most republicans are ok with this. Trump wasn't just elected to stop immigration, he was elected to punish illegal immigrants so their families being split up and kids being in cages sounds inhumane to most people but most republicans are probably ok with it. They're getting what they voted for. Outrage won't work because trumps supporters are aware of the problem and are happy about it. If people want it to stop, they need to remember that this kind of thing is republican policy and vote against it. Otherwise that 30% of Americans will re-elect Trump and his party and they'll keep doing this to children and worse.

Then they are supporting Nazi and Gestapo tactics and would probably cheer on even worse things.

[Conserative Morality]

lol, Read the substance of the white supremacist rag past thier right wing supremacist rhetoric.

13 Facts the (leftist fake news) Media ‘Pros’ Don’t Want You to Know About ‘Family Border Separation’
Because of “catch and release,” this dumb and destructive loophole, the number of illegal aliens using children to enter the U.S. increased by 315 percent between October 2017 and February 2018. Anything other than zero tolerance only serves as an incentive for human traffickers and other criminals to use these children as their free pass into America.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... eparation/

>> Breitbart

lol

My other favorite bit is the bit where the increase is over '17 and '18 when catch-and-release was most prominent under the Obama administration.

But facts don't matter in this brave new world of your's. =^)

US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants needs to end, it should be part of any Daca deal, I think the US is one of the very few nations that practice this, I think the US Supreme Court has never officially endorsed US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants, I think the US Supreme Court is ready to rule against this practice, or do we need one or two more conservative justices on the US Supreme Court for them to declare this practice illegal, I don't think its in the US constitution, does anyone here know more about this issue constitutionally and in practice?

What the FUCK?

And you call yourself an American?

Get the fuck out.

No one has the right to emigrate illegally to another nation, you don't just say surprise I'm here you have to make me legal, I sent my kid first you have to make me legal, I had a kid in America now he is American and I am too, you have to make us legal, so where is my million dollars that I am demanding? I support the Great Wall of Trump, but we don't need the Great Wall of Trump, legal l immigration is legal immigration, illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants.

Look in the mirror. Is one side of your face sagging?

[Ieskarios]

I don't support opening it on grounds of "muh ethnostate", but on grounds of illegals using U.S.-born children as leverage to stay in the country.

And what's the problem with that?

The problem is that it's stupid that an illegal immigrant can keep living in a foreign land that they are not a citizen of since they popped out a kid in the country. Countries that require parents to be citizens in order to gain citizenship to said nation are the example we should look to today, as it discourages this anchor baby tactic from being legally used to remain in the country at the threat of breaking up a family.

[Conserative Morality]

The problem is that it's stupid that an illegal immigrant can keep living in a foreign land that they are not a citizen of since they popped out a kid in the country. Countries that require parents to be citizens in order to gain citizenship to said nation are the example we should look to today, as it discourages this anchor baby tactic from being legally used to remain in the country at the threat of breaking up a family.

That's never the way it's worked. You do realize that before applying for residence on a family visa the family member has to be 18, right? Anchor babies are a retarded meme. Jesus Christ. "Muh law, muh immigration" types never seem to understand the first fucking thing about US immigration law. Unsurprising.

[San Lumen]

If a white supremacist rag is the best you've got...

lol, Read the substance of the white supremacist rag past thier right wing supremacist rhetoric.

13 Facts the (leftist fake news) Media ‘Pros’ Don’t Want You to Know About ‘Family Border Separation’
Because of “catch and release,” this dumb and destructive loophole, the number of illegal aliens using children to enter the U.S. increased by 315 percent between October 2017 and February 2018. Anything other than zero tolerance only serves as an incentive for human traffickers and other criminals to use these children as their free pass into America.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... eparation/

US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants needs to end, it should be part of any Daca deal, I think the US is one of the very few nations that practice this, I think the US Supreme Court has never officially endorsed US Birth Right Citizenship for illegal immigrants, I think the US Supreme Court is ready to rule against this practice, or do we need one or two more conservative justices on the US Supreme Court for them to declare this practice illegal, I don't think its in the US constitution, does anyone here know more about this issue constitutionally and in practice?

No one has the right to emigrate illegally to another nation, you don't just say surprise I'm here you have to make me legal, I sent my kid first you have to make me legal, I had a kid in America now he is American and I am too, you have to make us legal, so where is my million dollars that I am demanding? I support the Great Wall of Trump, but we don't need the Great Wall of Trump, legal l immigration is legal immigration, illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants.

And you call yourself an American? Shame on you. On what grounds could Birthright citizenship be ruled unconstitutional. Its in the 14th amendment.