US immigration breaking up families

[Torrocca]

Who cares about nuance? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nuance? Sounds like something a Nazi would say :^)

oh shit am i about to get gulag'd???

[New Emeline]

Nuance? Sounds like something a Nazi would say :^)

oh shit am i about to get gulag'd???

>:^)

[Torrocca]

oh shit am i about to get gulag'd???

>:^)

Sadistic enjoyment over interning someone into a labor camp? Sounds like something a Nazi would do :^)

[The Federation of Kendor]

Sorry for breaking to this, but are you saying with 4.5 that pop songs are bad, because it deafening and tranquilize people from the greater truth, and that there is no hope, but harsh and painful realism

If you mean modern pop, yes. And modern rap too. All that shit can be thrown into the ovens where they belong.

So you think they are disgusting degeneracy, and that Classical songs and literatures are infinitely better

[Trumptonium1]

Every good-willing conservative needs to support this irrespective of how they feel about the issue, because the liberals oppose it and want to bring down Trump with it.

[Major-Tom]

Just despicable. Yeah, I want tougher enforcement of illegal immigration. Yeah, I break with my party when I discuss immigration. But, fuck...breaking up families, separating kids from their parents. This isn't what we want. Families are important and to break them up for political brownie points is just malicious at best, fucking despicable at worst.

Conservatives aren't all in line with this (many are), and I hope more conservatives grow to oppose it because of the moral aspect of this - the aspect in which separating family units is totally and entirely immoral, especially to the children who will most certainly have a damaged life with their parental units totally taken away from them.

Fucking brutal.

[Bombadil]

Every good-willing conservative needs to support this irrespective of how they feel about the issue, because the liberals oppose it and want to bring down Trump with it.

It's easier to just write 'I have no principles', how pathetic to define yourself by having no independent opinions for yourself - and I mean pathetic in its original sense, something to feel sorrow for.

I accept you take pride in your position, that adhering to a side takes precedent over principle.. sleep well in your ironic abrogation of individual responsibility.

[Minoa]

Just despicable. Yeah, I want tougher enforcement of illegal immigration. Yeah, I break with my party when I discuss immigration. But, fuck...breaking up families, separating kids from their parents. This isn't what we want. Families are important and to break them up for political brownie points is just malicious at best, fucking despicable at worst.

Conservatives aren't all in line with this (many are), and I hope more conservatives grow to oppose it because of the moral aspect of this - the aspect in which separating family units is totally and entirely immoral, especially to the children who will most certainly have a damaged life with their parental units totally taken away from them.

Fucking brutal.

This, but also it may lead more people to see anti-immigration sentiment as toxic as anti-Semitism, as I already have … for a long time. What Trump and his officials are doing is going way too far and pretty much reinforces my concern that once a country embraces right-wing populism, repression, fear and even war may ensue.

P.S. I am also aware of this, but it is understandable that people may have developed tougher expectations against racism, with an understandable desire to put racism, sexism and homophobia behind them once and for all.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I like how misrepresented it is. They make it sound as if trump ordered kids to be torn from their mothers arms for no reason. That simply isn't the case. They simply will not allow people trying to illegally enter the US to use children (sometimes not even their own) as legal shields to avoid prison.

In the US if you try to enter illegally once you are forgiven but banned from the US. These people are trying for a second time or more. They are adults and will face adult consequences. A short stay in prison followed by expulsion from the country. If an American citizen goes to prison they do not bring their children either.

As for Americans not being able to comment of other nations immigration - accept as many poor migrants for as many centuries as the US has then you can talk.

[Ryanasic]

They should either stay together in the US or be deported together, wtf (latter is something which I don't support but is still better than this)

[Montagones]

I remember when I learned that, back in the early 1900's, immigrants from Europe rejoiced when their ferries pulled into New York and the saw Lady Liberty, a symbol of the freedoms every person held dear.

Now, when people from poorer nations seek to find refuge in a nation which prides itself in it's protection of human rights, this whole mess happens.

Whatever happened to Lady Liberty?

[Bombadil]

I like how misrepresented it is. They make it sound as if trump ordered kids to be torn from their mothers arms for no reason. That simply isn't the case.

No no.. of course not, the reason is to deter other immigrants. The reason to put the parents in custody and separate the children into camps for an indefinite period is to serve much as a beheaded criminal was mounted on the walls of the city.

Ah those were the days.. perhaps when Mexico finally pays for that wall we can relive such times.

[Purpelia]

Whatever happened to Lady Liberty?

Times changed.

Seriously, I don't see how this is even contentious. And yet it is both here in Europe and with you americans. Migration is good when you have a booming industry, lots of open jobs but not enough people to fill them and when these people are willing to assimilate and adopt your customs and culture. And, not or.

Migration is bad when you have a failing industry, not enough jobs or housing for the people already there or the people coming don't want to assimilate. Or, either one is sufficient to make it bad.

How is it that people refuse to accept that out of sheer emotionalistic stupidity?

[Eisarnathiuda]

Whatever happened to Lady Liberty?

Times changed.

Seriously, I don't see how this is even contentious. And yet it is both here in Europe and with you americans. Migration is good when you have a booming industry, lots of open jobs but not enough people to fill them and when these people are willing to assimilate and adopt your customs and culture. And, not or.

Migration is bad when you have a failing industry, not enough jobs or housing for the people already there or the people coming don't want to assimilate. Or, either one is sufficient to make it bad.

How is it that people refuse to accept that out of sheer emotionalistic stupidity?

For once I agree with you on something. What a world, what a world.

[Bombadil]

Whatever happened to Lady Liberty?

Times changed.

Seriously, I don't see how this is even contentious. And yet it is both here in Europe and with you americans. Migration is good when you have a booming industry, lots of open jobs but not enough people to fill them and when these people are willing to assimilate and adopt your customs and culture. And, not or.

Migration is bad when you have a failing industry, not enough jobs or housing for the people already there or the people coming don't want to assimilate. Or, either one is sufficient to make it bad.

How is it that people refuse to accept that out of sheer emotionalistic stupidity?

*puffs on pipe*

Hey dude, why don't we, like, have global unity not national unity man, we're all homo sapiens man and when the aliens come they'll eat us all..

I don't see why assimilation is the difference between and/or here.. the greatest advances are when cultures mix. The more global the economy the less overall poverty.. its this weird thing where people are all 'we must be free of government interference and each man must stand on his on two feet!, wait, what.. no.. not those men! Government.. keep them out!'

Hey, if it's all survival of the fittest then let everyone in and fight it out, two men enter..

[The Grims]

Whatever happened to Lady Liberty?

Times changed.

Seriously, I don't see how this is even contentious. And yet it is both here in Europe and with you americans. Migration is good when you have a booming industry, lots of open jobs but not enough people to fill them and when these people are willing to assimilate and adopt your customs and culture. And, not or.

Migration is bad when you have a failing industry, not enough jobs or housing for the people already there or the people coming don't want to assimilate. Or, either one is sufficient to make it bad.

How is it that people refuse to accept that out of sheer emotionalistic stupidity?

Assimilation is not really needed. Participation however is.

[Eisarnathiuda]

Times changed.

Seriously, I don't see how this is even contentious. And yet it is both here in Europe and with you americans. Migration is good when you have a booming industry, lots of open jobs but not enough people to fill them and when these people are willing to assimilate and adopt your customs and culture. And, not or.

Migration is bad when you have a failing industry, not enough jobs or housing for the people already there or the people coming don't want to assimilate. Or, either one is sufficient to make it bad.

How is it that people refuse to accept that out of sheer emotionalistic stupidity?

Assimilation is not really needed. Participation however is.

Deportation*

(even the kids)

[Purpelia]

Assimilation is not really needed. Participation however is.

You'd think that but its not how things work out. Obviously, the people coming don't need to completely 100% assimilate, renounce their relatives back home and change their race on demand. And there is some wiggle room.

But if they don't accept the local language, basic customs, work ethics and primary cultural norms this inevitably leads to the whole society suffering as at best the newcomers will have a hard time functioning within it to find and keep jobs and apartments and generally contribute meaningfully and at worst they end up creating ethnic ghettos that over time lead to deep rooted social problems, inequality and separation which inevitably end up breeding resentment and extremism.

[Grenartia]

Every good-willing conservative needs to support this irrespective of how they feel about the issue, because the liberals oppose it and want to bring down Trump with it.

Last I checked, you were British. Not American. Therefore, following with Trump's America First spiel, your opinion, as a foreigner, is worth less than mine, as a natural-born citizen.

And I say fuck this inhuman bullshit, and a rusty cactus up the ass of each of the people who ordered this policy change.

[Bombadil]

Assimilation is not really needed. Participation however is.

Deportation*

(even the kids)

Sure, fine.. I don't think anyone agrees with the idea of people entering a country illegally. So deport them all.. just don't make it a point to separate kids who have no choice in the matter from their parents. Surely there's other ways and, even if not, don't make a point to say this is what you're doing specifically and as a matter of course to deter others.

Build a wall.. make Mexico pay for it.. or pretend a wall's there.. be like North Korea

Mexico have done it, in the second half of the game against Germany in the World Cup they built a wall and made Germany pay for it.

All j/k aside.. America has 3.9% unemployment, illegal immigrants make up 3.4% of the population, get rid of all illegal immigrants - I assume some are raping and murdering not working exactly so.. that's still a good 1% of jobs to go around..

No but seriously.. is 3.4% of illegal immigrants a massive issue? Why does it dominate the national conversation? Is it about Real Americans™ or is it a political trope designed to stir emotions.. on both side I might add.

Everyone should stop politicians from exploiting wedge issues for power, from driving a 'them and us' philosophy so well espoused by Trumptonium who will easily disregard his ethics over partisanship.

It's an issue, sure, but is separating kids from their families the answer.. regardless of whether, as 4 year olds, we might exclaim 'but he started it'..

This is not at you, it's just an overall comment.

[Purpelia]

I would imagine that the number is one you get when you divide the entire national population with one number of illegals and not representative of the actual distribution of illegal migrants. And that's a big thing because it glosses over the likely fact that some states might have a huge migrant problem whilst other barely have any at all.
I would be very much surprised to find out Texas has the same percentage of illegal Mexicans as Oregon or Alaska. Although why anyone would voluntarily move to Alaska is a mystery all to it self.

[Bombadil]

I would imagine that the number is one you get when you divide the entire national population with one number of illegals and not representative of the actual distribution of illegal migrants. And that's a big thing because it glosses over the likely fact that some states might have a huge migrant problem whilst other barely have any at all.
I would be very much surprised to find out Texas has the same percentage of illegal Mexicans as Oregon or Alaska. Although why anyone would voluntarily move to Alaska is a mystery all to it self.

56% of illegals are in 6 states.. but.. a town in Alaska was riven apart by the issue of immigration because a town council proposal to welcome people of all nationalities was tabled.. I can source both but give me an edit

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

There are two categories of illegal immigrants.

1. Those who are willing to face, as individuals, whatever consequences may come.

2. Those who selfishly bring an innocent child into that situation.

The former are honourable, but to hell with the latter. I don't know whether they're having kids because they want to or because they hope ICE goes easier on 'em, but either way, it's their own damn fault.

[Bombadil]

I would imagine that the number is one you get when you divide the entire national population with one number of illegals and not representative of the actual distribution of illegal migrants. And that's a big thing because it glosses over the likely fact that some states might have a huge migrant problem whilst other barely have any at all.
I would be very much surprised to find out Texas has the same percentage of illegal Mexicans as Oregon or Alaska. Although why anyone would voluntarily move to Alaska is a mystery all to it self.

56% of illegals are in 6 states.. but.. a town in Alaska was riven apart by the issue of immigration because a town council proposal to welcome people of all nationalities was tabled.. I can source both but give me an edit

EDIT 1: 59% but nuanced in up and down.. Six states account for 59% of unauthorized immigrants: California, Texas, Florida, New York, New Jersey and Illinois.

EDIT 2: Fear and loathing in Homer and Rockville.. Two towns where people got really upset about undocumented immigrants, even though in both places, that did not seem to be the most important thing happening at all. One of the towns, a small town in Alaska, has no undocumented immigrants at all, but the possibility of them arriving put the whole town at each other’s throats.

[Purpelia]

I would imagine that the number is one you get when you divide the entire national population with one number of illegals and not representative of the actual distribution of illegal migrants. And that's a big thing because it glosses over the likely fact that some states might have a huge migrant problem whilst other barely have any at all.
I would be very much surprised to find out Texas has the same percentage of illegal Mexicans as Oregon or Alaska. Although why anyone would voluntarily move to Alaska is a mystery all to it self.

56% of illegals are in states.. but.. a town in Alaska was riven apart by the issue of immigration because a town council proposal to welcome people of all nationalities was tabled.. I can source both but give me an edit

I don't mean to sound negative about Alaska or americans in general but here in Europe when we needed people in a frozen wasteland we had to banish them there and keep then under guard to get them to stay. Just saying.


/ Don't take this reply too seriously. It's in jest.
The original one you quoted was serious though. Dead serious.