US immigration breaking up families

[Costa Fierro]

Except that wasn't my original argument, I was agreeing with the notion that they are not concentration camps and that they are used by more countries than just the United States.

Which other countries frequently separate the kids of immigrants from their parents and put them in cages? Australia doesn't so the two systems are not comparable, so what else you got?

I wasn't trying to compare the two.

[Fartsniffage]

Which other countries frequently separate the kids of immigrants from their parents and put them in cages? Australia doesn't so the two systems are not comparable, so what else you got?

I wasn't trying to compare the two.

Sure you were, otherwise why bring them up as a way to prove that the child cages aren't concentration camps?

[Infected Mushroom]

On local tv and on US news they have been talking about the outrage being cause by a US immigration rule being put into affect which is separating kids from there adult parents who have entered the US illegally. They say nothing in the law says families have to be separated. So thousands of kids, yes including babies, have been separated from there parents. Many of the kids have been separated thousands of miles from there parents. Chances are some of the kids will be lost in the system. Some news sources have talked about human trafficking about the possibility of human trafficking.

The government spokesman says its the law which some say is a lame excuse. News sources say this action is a ploy to try to force congress to give money for that border wall. So what do you think. It seems that is what is being done. The government wants congress to give the money for the wall and then they will stop separating families.

On our local tv they recommended that people from our island (who are American citizens but look Latin) should carry there passaports if visiting the US. They also mentioned because of what is happening that the US cannot criticize other nations for doing the same thing.

In a poll, 67% of US citizens are against this separating families. 23% are for it. Three former first ladies and the current first lady said that they do not support the separating of kids from families.

Chances are this could curtail illegal families from going into the US. It will also cause Russia/China/EU. to gain more friends in Latin America.

This is good policy.

Immigration laws need to be enforced.

You shouldn’t be able to disrespect US law, sneak into the country illegally. Start a family and then get away as Scott free because MUH FAMILY! MUH KIDS!

News flash: many criminals have kids/family.

This is example of anti-trump and Democrats putting sentimentalism (and pro kid bias) over sound policy analysis. Ted Bundy didn’t get away by saying... “wait a minute! You’re separating me from ma family!”

So why should these law breaking immigrants?

Either you support the President, or you support illegal immigration. The way I see it there’s no other option. I stand with the Donald.

[Ifreann]

On local tv and on US news they have been talking about the outrage being cause by a US immigration rule being put into affect which is separating kids from there adult parents who have entered the US illegally. They say nothing in the law says families have to be separated. So thousands of kids, yes including babies, have been separated from there parents. Many of the kids have been separated thousands of miles from there parents. Chances are some of the kids will be lost in the system. Some news sources have talked about human trafficking about the possibility of human trafficking.

The government spokesman says its the law which some say is a lame excuse. News sources say this action is a ploy to try to force congress to give money for that border wall. So what do you think. It seems that is what is being done. The government wants congress to give the money for the wall and then they will stop separating families.

On our local tv they recommended that people from our island (who are American citizens but look Latin) should carry there passaports if visiting the US. They also mentioned because of what is happening that the US cannot criticize other nations for doing the same thing.

In a poll, 67% of US citizens are against this separating families. 23% are for it. Three former first ladies and the current first lady said that they do not support the separating of kids from families.

Chances are this could curtail illegal families from going into the US. It will also cause Russia/China/EU. to gain more friends in Latin America.

This is good policy.

Immigration laws need to be enforced.

You shouldn’t be able to disrespect US law, sneak into the country illegally. Start a family and then get away as Scott free because MUH FAMILY! MUH KIDS!

News flash: many criminals have kids/family.

This is example of anti-trump and Democrats putting sentimentalism (and pro kid bias) over sound policy analysis. Ted Bundy didn’t get away by saying... “wait a minute! You’re separating me from ma family!”

So why should these law breaking immigrants?

Either you support the President, or you support illegal immigration. The way I see it there’s no other option. I stand with the Donald.

As expected you display a grossly simplistic and ignorant understanding of the issue.

[NeoOasis]

Either you support the President, or you support illegal immigration. The way I see it there’s no other option. I stand with the Donald.

If only life were so simple. If only political issues were as binary as you percieve them.

So yes I stand against the Donald because I prefer to treat refugees as human beings.

[Costa Fierro]

I wasn't trying to compare the two.

Sure you were, otherwise why bring them up as a way to prove that the child cages aren't concentration camps?

I agreed with the notion that the facilities used to detain undocumented migrants aren't concentration camps. I wasn't comparing the two, I was agreeing that calling them concentration camps is wrong.

[Infected Mushroom]

Either you support the President, or you support illegal immigration. The way I see it there’s no other option. I stand with the Donald.

If only life were so simple. If only political issues were as binary as you percieve them.

So yes I stand against the Donald because I prefer to treat refugees as human beings.

It’s honestly very simple. If you break the law, you pay the price. If you enter a country illegally, the least you can expect is to get deported.

You don’t get a free pass just because you have children.

[Infected Mushroom]

This is good policy.

Immigration laws need to be enforced.

You shouldn’t be able to disrespect US law, sneak into the country illegally. Start a family and then get away as Scott free because MUH FAMILY! MUH KIDS!

News flash: many criminals have kids/family.

This is example of anti-trump and Democrats putting sentimentalism (and pro kid bias) over sound policy analysis. Ted Bundy didn’t get away by saying... “wait a minute! You’re separating me from ma family!”

So why should these law breaking immigrants?

Either you support the President, or you support illegal immigration. The way I see it there’s no other option. I stand with the Donald.

As expected you display a grossly simplistic and ignorant understanding of the issue.

I cut down STRAIGHT to the core issues... past all the politically correct red herrings.

[Galloism]

If only life were so simple. If only political issues were as binary as you percieve them.

So yes I stand against the Donald because I prefer to treat refugees as human beings.

It’s honestly very simple. If you break the law, you pay the price. If you enter a country illegally, the least you can expect is to get deported.

You don’t get a free pass just because you have children.

There's a hair's difference between a "free pass" and what's happening here.

[Ifreann]

As expected you display a grossly simplistic and ignorant understanding of the issue.

I cut down STRAIGHT to the core issues... past all the politically correct red herrings.

You ignore the facts and political reality to construct a nonsensical dichotomy.

[Infected Mushroom]

I cut down STRAIGHT to the core issues... past all the politically correct red herrings.

You ignore the facts and political reality to construct a nonsensical dichotomy.

Basically it comes down to this:

Someone broke the law. You try to sanction them. They yell:

“Wait a minute! I have kids! I have a family.”

This shouldn’t have any bearing but it does because people are irrational.

[NeoOasis]

I cut down STRAIGHT to the core issues... past all the politically correct red herrings.

You ignore the facts and political reality to construct a nonsensical dichotomy.

Well you know how it goes with these people. Either they're right, or you're wrong.

Facts are this is an issue that isn't as simple as this or that. The way the government has responded to this entire situation has put several new shades of complexity on an already complex issue.

[Petrasylvania]

You ignore the facts and political reality to construct a nonsensical dichotomy.

Basically it comes down to this:

Someone broke the law. You try to sanction them. They yell:

“Wait a minute! I have kids! I have a family.”

This shouldn’t have any bearing but it does because people are irrational.

You'll never have a family so I can understand how you lack a grasp on how traumatic separation is for children.

[Infected Mushroom]

Basically it comes down to this:

Someone broke the law. You try to sanction them. They yell:

“Wait a minute! I have kids! I have a family.”

This shouldn’t have any bearing but it does because people are irrational.

You'll never have a family so I can understand how you lack a grasp on how traumatic separation is for children.

so then we must also abolish prisons (since any time we imprison a murder, robber, or thief we are potentially separating them from kids)...

how about no

the children will adapt, but laws must be enforced

[Petrasylvania]

You'll never have a family so I can understand how you lack a grasp on how traumatic separation is for children.

so then we must also abolish prisons (since any time we imprison a murder, robber, or thief we are potentially separating them from kids)...

how about no

the children will adapt, but laws must be enforced

Prison allows visitation. The current immigration "policy" deliberately breaks up families, and reunion is near impossible at times.

It's easy to talk about children needing to "adapt" when you have no stake in the matter.

Dunning-Kruger Effect strikes again.

[Infected Mushroom]

so then we must also abolish prisons (since any time we imprison a murder, robber, or thief we are potentially separating them from kids)...

how about no

the children will adapt, but laws must be enforced

Prison allows visitation. The current immigration "policy" deliberately breaks up families, and reunion is near impossible at times.

It's easy to talk about children needing to "adapt" when you have no stake in the matter.

Dunning-Kruger Effect strikes again.

you can visit the parents, just get a proper travel VISA

same principle

obey immigration laws and you won't have any problems with this

"I have children" is not a get out of jail

[NeoOasis]

so then we must also abolish prisons (since any time we imprison a murder, robber, or thief we are potentially separating them from kids)...

how about no

the children will adapt, but laws must be enforced

The children do not adapt. There are specific cases in which children are traumatized quite heavily. There NO laws requiring the separation of children from their parents. So you can parrot that line all you want, but there is literally no reason for this to happen under any normal context.

So you can stop pretending to be all gung ho for order. This is doing nothing more sowing the seeds of discord with no legal justification.

Also the existence of laws doesn't mean the laws are moral, ethical, or even sensical.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If only life were so simple. If only political issues were as binary as you percieve them.

So yes I stand against the Donald because I prefer to treat refugees as human beings.

It’s honestly very simple. If you break the law, you pay the price. If you enter a country illegally, the least you can expect is to get deported.

You don’t get a free pass just because you have children.

Gods, your understanding of things is, as usual, way off and daft. It is not that simple. The kids have done nothing wrong. Taking them away from their parents is very dangerous for their development. And then keeping them in cages, come on. If the parents are to be deported, then deport the children too. So really, Fungus, get a fucking grip.

[Tekania]

The reason the children are being separated is because the parents are being criminally prosecuted.

One of course can argue about whether we should continue enforcing our current immigration laws.... I myself am extremely libertarian on immigration law and would rather we streamline our visas and just prosecute those who go on to commit crimes, as these people simply become tax payers... but the simple fact is there is no argument that parents who are criminals in the context of the law will be housed separate from their children when being held for trial. And it's against the established interpretation of the law to house children along with their parents who are confined due to their parent's crimes.

I'd much rather the legislature act, and not rely on Presidents arbitrarily deciding to ignore laws through EOs. But I guess that is just me.

[Infected Mushroom]

It’s honestly very simple. If you break the law, you pay the price. If you enter a country illegally, the least you can expect is to get deported.

You don’t get a free pass just because you have children.

Gods, your understanding of things is, as usual, way off and daft. It is not that simple. The kids have done nothing wrong. Taking them away from their parents is very dangerous for their development. And then keeping them in cages, come on. If the parents are to be deported, then deport the children too. So really, Fungus, get a fucking grip.

The children will not be deported. They have done nothing wrong. Deporting the kids would be like sentencing the children of violent offenders to death/life imprisonment for the crimes of the parents.

We aren’t required to consider the effects on children when we throw people in jail, so illegal immigrants shouldn’t be a special case. I’m opposed to special treatment.

[Infected Mushroom]

so then we must also abolish prisons (since any time we imprison a murder, robber, or thief we are potentially separating them from kids)...

how about no

the children will adapt, but laws must be enforced

The children do not adapt. There are specific cases in which children are traumatized quite heavily. There NO laws requiring the separation of children from their parents. So you can parrot that line all you want, but there is literally no reason for this to happen under any normal context.

So you can stop pretending to be all gung ho for order. This is doing nothing more sowing the seeds of discord with no legal justification.

Also the existence of laws doesn't mean the laws are moral, ethical, or even sensical.

The children aren’t relevant.

When we consider how to sentence criminals for things like murder and robbery, people don’t get off Scott free just because the kids need to be considered. This is no different.

The illegals broke the law. They must be sanctioned and deported. Kids don’t provide these criminals with an anti liability shield. That would be silly.

[Mystic Warriors]

The children do not adapt. There are specific cases in which children are traumatized quite heavily. There NO laws requiring the separation of children from their parents. So you can parrot that line all you want, but there is literally no reason for this to happen under any normal context.

So you can stop pretending to be all gung ho for order. This is doing nothing more sowing the seeds of discord with no legal justification.

Also the existence of laws doesn't mean the laws are moral, ethical, or even sensical.

The children aren’t relevant.

When we consider how to sentence criminals for things like murder and robbery, people don’t get off Scott free just because the kids need to be considered. This is no different.

The illegals broke the law. They must be sanctioned and deported. Kids don’t provide these criminals with an anti liability shield. That would be silly.

Will you please stop comparing refugees to murders. They just want a better life, not to eat your liver. Maybe if our system was easier they wouldnt need to cross illegally.

[Infected Mushroom]

The children aren’t relevant.

When we consider how to sentence criminals for things like murder and robbery, people don’t get off Scott free just because the kids need to be considered. This is no different.

The illegals broke the law. They must be sanctioned and deported. Kids don’t provide these criminals with an anti liability shield. That would be silly.

Will you please stop comparing refugees to murders. They just want a better life, not to eat your liver. Maybe if our system was easier they wouldnt need to cross illegally.

They broke the law so it’s a valid comparison

[Mystic Warriors]

Will you please stop comparing refugees to murders. They just want a better life, not to eat your liver. Maybe if our system was easier they wouldnt need to cross illegally.

They broke the law so it’s a valid comparison

No its not, its extremeism. Not all violations of the law are the same. Like stealing a candy bar wont get you life in prison

[Infected Mushroom]

They broke the law so it’s a valid comparison

No its not, its extremeism. Not all violations of the law are the same. Like stealing a candy bar wont get you life in prison

All violations must be sanctioned

Having children is not carte Blanche for breaking the law with impunity

Trump is sending a necessary message: if you enter illegally, you will be deported. You can’t just say, “I have children” and not be held accountable.