US immigration breaking up families

[Trumptonium1]

As a Cuban American who applied, met the requirements and waited many years in Cuba to emigrate legally to the USA, I supported the end of the Dry Foot, Wet Foot Policy with my posts on NS as unfair to other immigrant groups trying to do the same, but not for the reasons President Obama did it, doing it before President Trump had a chance to change the policy himself, I support the detention of the current illegal immigrant families together in the detention centers, as is going to happen now that President Trump has signed the executive order, I tweeted this to The White House and President Trump.

But under the zeo tolerance illegal immigration policy, don't accept any more illegals into custody, like the illegal Cubans denied entry, give them food and water bottles to return to Mexico, illegal immigration problem solved, I also tweeted this to The White House and President Trump.

I would even provide a friendly military escort back to Mexico for the illegal immigrants, what I mean by a friendly military escort is, I am sure our military would be nice to the illegal immigrants they are returning and protecting from the cartel mobs, smugglers or anyone who would cause them physical harm.

Despite my support of a zero tolerance illegal immigration policy, contrary to the popular belief of many on NS, I am not such a bad guy dude, I admit I defend President Trump hard Trump style, and even harder than Trump defends himself, perhaps RPing President Trump on the NS RP Forums has gone to my head, where I think I really am President Trump, lol, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants.

I find it puzzling when I see people on NS posting how they tweeted to a public figure as if the figure in question gave a fuck or even noticed, or if it was some big accomplishment.

My tweets get noticed (and retweeted) perhaps you need to retry?

[Petrasylvania]

If the shoe fits, I see no problem with maligning people for agreeing with something despicable.

I agree with you, just as democrats and republicans agreed when President Obama did the same thing.

Obama didn't implement separating children from families as a deliberate policy. But hey, anything to absolve The Donald of all wrongdoing.

[Conserative Morality]

There's a lot of things wrong with that line of thought.

Notably, it assumes collective guilt, which is... a rather unwieldy and easily abused concept, to say the least.

To use some examples, are we to assume that during the 1960's everyone who wasn't a Civil Rights activist was actually a racist? How about all the Germans during WWII who weren't actively trying to undermine the Nazi regime; were they all secretly collaborators? Or how about the Parisians during the height of Robespierre's revolutionary Terreur who said nothing when their neighbours were being carted off to be guillotined in the town square? All Jacobins, I'm sure.

You're conflating indifference and inaction with willful support.

No, it's more like saying people in the 60s who saw nothing wrong or upsetting about segregation as racists, and Germans in WW2 who saw nothing wrong with the Nazi regime as Nazis.

I'm not even asking anyone to do anything. I'm not asking anyone to stick their neck out. In a private, anonymous conversation, "Putting people into concentration camps is not okay" is all that it would have taken. But that was too much. It's rather typical of CF's sort.

[Greater Miami Shores]

As a Cuban American who applied, met the requirements and waited many years in Cuba to emigrate legally to the USA, I supported the end of the Dry Foot, Wet Foot Policy with my posts on NS as unfair to other immigrant groups trying to do the same, but not for the reasons President Obama did it, doing it before President Trump had a chance to change the policy himself, I support the detention of the current illegal immigrant families together in the detention centers, as is going to happen now that President Trump has signed the executive order, I tweeted this to The White House and President Trump.

But under the zeo tolerance illegal immigration policy, don't accept any more illegals into custody, like the illegal Cubans denied entry, give them food and water bottles to return to Mexico, illegal immigration problem solved, I also tweeted this to The White House and President Trump.

I would even provide a friendly military escort back to Mexico for the illegal immigrants, what I mean by a friendly military escort is, I am sure our military would be nice to the illegal immigrants they are returning and protecting from the cartel mobs, smugglers or anyone who would cause them physical harm.

Despite my support of a zero tolerance illegal immigration policy, contrary to the popular belief of many on NS, I am not such a bad guy dude, I admit I defend President Trump hard Trump style, and even harder than Trump defends himself, perhaps RPing President Trump on the NS RP Forums has gone to my head, where I think I really am President Trump, lol, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants.

I find it puzzling when I see people on NS posting how they tweeted to a public figure as if the figure in question gave a fuck or even noticed, or if it was some big accomplishment.

Your right President Trump did not respond back to me, but it is our right to tweet him, like thousands of right wing conservative American Republicans like myself do, and like thousans of leftist democrats do, lol, do I care that you do not approve. P.S. he did respond to me once favorably.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I agree with you, just as democrats and republicans agreed when President Obama did the same thing.

Obama didn't implement separating children from families as a deliberate policy. But hey, anything to absolve The Donald of all wrongdoing.

I don't recall this either, but if it happened, that's also bad. However, I can't remember children being kept in fenced in areas akin to cages in detention centers, nor Obama implementing a zero tolerance policy.

I do find it troubling that a Cuban is so pro deportation, seeing as, well, he himself is an immigrant's kid who's situation in the US is due to the US being interested in Cuba for profit, because anyone who thinks the US truly cares about Cuban people for any other reason is a bit blind, can be ok with a government breaking up families. It's truly baffling.

[Petrasylvania]

Obama didn't implement separating children from families as a deliberate policy. But hey, anything to absolve The Donald of all wrongdoing.

I don't recall this either, but if it happened, that's also bad. However, I can't remember children being kept in fenced in areas akin to cages in detention centers, nor Obama implementing a zero tolerance policy.

I do find it troubling that a Cuban is so pro deportation, seeing as, well, he himself is an immigrant's kid who's situation in the US is due to the US being interested in Cuba for profit, because anyone who thinks the US truly cares about Cuban people for any other reason is a bit blind, can be ok with a government breaking up families. It's truly baffling.

Until Obama abolished the Wet Foot Dry Foot policy Cubans were given special privileges regarding immigration.

[Geneviev]

Obama didn't implement separating children from families as a deliberate policy. But hey, anything to absolve The Donald of all wrongdoing.

I don't recall this either, but if it happened, that's also bad. However, I can't remember children being kept in fenced in areas akin to cages in detention centers, nor Obama implementing a zero tolerance policy.

I do find it troubling that a Cuban is so pro deportation, seeing as, well, he himself is an immigrant's kid who's situation in the US is due to the US being interested in Cuba for profit, because anyone who thinks the US truly cares about Cuban people for any other reason is a bit blind, can be ok with a government breaking up families. It's truly baffling.

Kids were kept in those conditions. They were mostly unaccompanied minors and were placed in foster care as soon as possible. It's not a new thing at all. What's so unique about President Trump is that this happens to every undocumented child.

[Ifreann]

There's a lot of things wrong with that line of thought.

Notably, it assumes collective guilt, which is... a rather unwieldy and easily abused concept, to say the least.

To use some examples, are we to assume that during the 1960's everyone who wasn't a Civil Rights activist was actually a racist? How about all the Germans during WWII who weren't actively trying to undermine the Nazi regime; were they all secretly collaborators? Or how about the Parisians during the height of Robespierre's revolutionary Terreur who said nothing when their neighbours were being carted off to be guillotined in the town square? All Jacobins, I'm sure.

You're conflating indifference and inaction with willful support.

No, it's more like saying people in the 60s who saw nothing wrong or upsetting about segregation as racists, and Germans in WW2 who saw nothing wrong with the Nazi regime as Nazis.

I'm not even asking anyone to do anything. I'm not asking anyone to stick their neck out. In a private, anonymous conversation, "Putting people into concentration camps is not okay" is all that it would have taken. But that was too much. It's rather typical of CF's sort.

But what if I say that what Trump is doing is bad and then I become a commuliberal?!

[Salandriagado]

There's a lot of things wrong with that line of thought.

Notably, it assumes collective guilt, which is... a rather unwieldy and easily abused concept, to say the least.

To use some examples, are we to assume that during the 1960's everyone who wasn't a Civil Rights activist was actually a racist? How about all the Germans during WWII who weren't actively trying to undermine the Nazi regime; were they all secretly collaborators? Or how about the Parisians during the height of Robespierre's revolutionary Terreur who said nothing when their neighbours were being carted off to be guillotined in the town square? All Jacobins, I'm sure.

You're conflating indifference and inaction with willful support.

No, it's more like saying people in the 60s who saw nothing wrong or upsetting about segregation as racists, and Germans in WW2 who saw nothing wrong with the Nazi regime as Nazis.

I'm not even asking anyone to do anything. I'm not asking anyone to stick their neck out. In a private, anonymous conversation, "Putting people into concentration camps is not okay" is all that it would have taken. But that was too much. It's rather typical of CF's sort.

Not even that: just not saying "anybody who thinks this is bad is just making it up" would be one hell of a start.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Obama didn't implement separating children from families as a deliberate policy. But hey, anything to absolve The Donald of all wrongdoing.

I don't recall this either, but if it happened, that's also bad. However, I can't remember children being kept in fenced in areas akin to cages in detention centers, nor Obama implementing a zero tolerance policy.

I do find it troubling that a Cuban is so pro deportation, seeing as, well, he himself is an immigrant's kid who's situation in the US is due to the US being interested in Cuba for profit, because anyone who thinks the US truly cares about Cuban people for any other reason is a bit blind, can be ok with a government breaking up families. It's truly baffling.

Legal immigrants who waited for years in that hell hole many leftists on NS support and defend.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

I’m all for preventing illegal immigrants from entering the country, but Corey Lewandowski makes my side look like a butch of asshats.

[Conserative Morality]

Obama didn't implement separating children from families as a deliberate policy. But hey, anything to absolve The Donald of all wrongdoing.

I don't recall this either, but if it happened, that's also bad. However, I can't remember children being kept in fenced in areas akin to cages in detention centers, nor Obama implementing a zero tolerance policy.

I do find it troubling that a Cuban is so pro deportation, seeing as, well, he himself is an immigrant's kid who's situation in the US is due to the US being interested in Cuba for profit, because anyone who thinks the US truly cares about Cuban people for any other reason is a bit blind, can be ok with a government breaking up families. It's truly baffling.

It's okay, Cuba has special rules so all those furriners can get fucked.

[Petrasylvania]

I’m all for preventing illegal immigrants from entering the country, but Corey Lewandowski makes my side look like a butch of asshats.

Trump pretty much validated all sorts of Isms.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don't recall this either, but if it happened, that's also bad. However, I can't remember children being kept in fenced in areas akin to cages in detention centers, nor Obama implementing a zero tolerance policy.

I do find it troubling that a Cuban is so pro deportation, seeing as, well, he himself is an immigrant's kid who's situation in the US is due to the US being interested in Cuba for profit, because anyone who thinks the US truly cares about Cuban people for any other reason is a bit blind, can be ok with a government breaking up families. It's truly baffling.

Legal immigrants who waited for years in that hell hole many leftists on NS support and defend.

And you don't think there are many immigrants like that also waiting from other Latin American countries? Wow.

I wonder how you would feel if the gov't revoked your citizenship because it no longer cares about Cuba for strategic and economic purposes and breaks up your family. Would you still be so pro deportation and about worshiping the floor Trump shits on?

[Mr Conservative]

If the Obama administration did the same, then yes, shame on them.

Shame on anyone who separates children from their families.

The Obama administration didn't do it as much, though.

Still, shame on anyone who separates children from their families.

The alternative to placing a child of someone who has been arrested for a crime with someone other than the parents, is keeping the child with the parents after they have been arrested. The court has said, that you cannot do that for very long because it does not want children in a place with criminal adults. On its face, that's a simple and non-controversial ruling, but it is that ruling that has lead to this problem. The only legal option the US government has to keep families together is to keep the flood gates open and allow everyone who crosses the border illegally with a child that fills out the paperwork for asylum into the country. Ideally, people who cross the border illegally and falsely seek asylum would be detained briefly as a family, and swiftly deported to their home country. Unfortunately, the government cannot legally do that. So it's in this pickle.

The media really wants Trump to just throw in the towel and let the entire population of Guatemala come running toward a better life if it wants to. We can't afford to provide welfare for that many dirt poor, uneducated, non-english speakers. There is viably no future for them here beyond being a permanent underclass with no hope for advancement. The point in our history when our economy was hurting for low wage, low skill labor is gone forever. That's a bad recipe for this nation, and is about the only thing I'd like to see less than families separated at the border.

The real tragedy of this whole thing is that the bravest people, those most driven for a better life, and with the determination for big undertakings are finding it easier to flee to Europe and America instead of improving their homes. That's not a long term solution to any problem until they're literally all here and none there.

[Petrasylvania]

I don't recall this either, but if it happened, that's also bad. However, I can't remember children being kept in fenced in areas akin to cages in detention centers, nor Obama implementing a zero tolerance policy.

I do find it troubling that a Cuban is so pro deportation, seeing as, well, he himself is an immigrant's kid who's situation in the US is due to the US being interested in Cuba for profit, because anyone who thinks the US truly cares about Cuban people for any other reason is a bit blind, can be ok with a government breaking up families. It's truly baffling.

It's okay, Cuba has special rules so all those furriners can get fucked.

Evil Obama got rid of those rules.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Shame on anyone who separates children from their families.

The Obama administration didn't do it as much, though.

Still, shame on anyone who separates children from their families.

The alternative to placing a child of someone who has been arrested for a crime with someone other than the parents, is keeping the child with the parents after they have been arrested. The court has said, that you cannot do that for very long because it does not want children in a place with criminal adults. On its face, that's a simple and non-controversial ruling, but it is that ruling that has lead to this problem. The only legal option the US government has to keep families together is to keep the flood gates open and allow everyone who crosses the border illegally with a child that fills out the paperwork for asylum into the country. Ideally, people who cross the border illegally and falsely seek asylum would be detained briefly as a family, and swiftly deported to their home country. Unfortunately, the government cannot legally do that. So it's in this pickle.

The media really wants Trump to just throw in the towel and let the entire population of Guatemala come running toward a better life if it wants to. We can't afford to provide welfare for that many dirt poor, uneducated, non-english speakers. There is viably no future for them here beyond being a permanent underclass with no hope for advancement. The point in our history when our economy was hurting for low wage, low skill labor is gone forever. That's a bad recipe for this nation, and is about the only thing I'd like to see less than families separated at the border.

The real tragedy of this whole thing is that the bravest people, those most driven for a better life, and with the determination for big undertakings are finding it easier to flee to Europe and America instead of improving their homes. That's not a long term solution to any problem until they're literally all here and none there.

I haven’t seen anyone in the media advocate for “letting the entire population of Guatemala come here”. I’ve seen some criticism from the media and other Conservative Republicans about separating familes.

I support detaining illegals coming across the border, but I support keeping familes detained as a group, not to be separated.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Legal immigrants who waited for years in that hell hole many leftists on NS support and defend.

And you don't think there are many immigrants like that also waiting from other Latin American countries? Wow.

I wonder how you would feel if the gov't revoked your citizenship because it no longer cares about Cuba for strategic and economic purposes and breaks up your family. Would you still be so pro deportation and about worshiping the floor Trump shits on?

"And you don't think there are many immigrants like that also waiting from other Latin American countries? Wow."
As I stated I supported the end of the Wet Foot Dry Foot Policy with my posts on NS as unfair to other immigrant groups trying to do the same thing, not for the selfish reasons Obama did it, and doing it before President Trump got a chance to change the policy himsel, for Obama's so called legacy on Cuba.

[Mr Conservative]

The alternative to placing a child of someone who has been arrested for a crime with someone other than the parents, is keeping the child with the parents after they have been arrested. The court has said, that you cannot do that for very long because it does not want children in a place with criminal adults. On its face, that's a simple and non-controversial ruling, but it is that ruling that has lead to this problem. The only legal option the US government has to keep families together is to keep the flood gates open and allow everyone who crosses the border illegally with a child that fills out the paperwork for asylum into the country. Ideally, people who cross the border illegally and falsely seek asylum would be detained briefly as a family, and swiftly deported to their home country. Unfortunately, the government cannot legally do that. So it's in this pickle.

The media really wants Trump to just throw in the towel and let the entire population of Guatemala come running toward a better life if it wants to. We can't afford to provide welfare for that many dirt poor, uneducated, non-english speakers. There is viably no future for them here beyond being a permanent underclass with no hope for advancement. The point in our history when our economy was hurting for low wage, low skill labor is gone forever. That's a bad recipe for this nation, and is about the only thing I'd like to see less than families separated at the border.

The real tragedy of this whole thing is that the bravest people, those most driven for a better life, and with the determination for big undertakings are finding it easier to flee to Europe and America instead of improving their homes. That's not a long term solution to any problem until they're literally all here and none there.

I haven’t seen anyone in the media advocate for “letting the entire population of Guatemala come here”. I’ve seen some criticism from the media and other Conservative Republicans about separating familes.

I support detaining illegals coming across the border, but I support keeping familes detained as a group, not to be separated.

But you do not hear the media say, that Trump's executive order is in direct violation of a court order and it is literally illegal to charge these people with the crime and deport them unless you hold the children somewhere other than with criminals. Perhaps the DOJ's efforts (which began today) to convince the court to change Flores will be successful in the light of what that policy really looks like. But I doubt it.

As the law stands, you cannot choose to keep the children with the parents unless you choose not to charge the parents. Which means letting them come in. So while you may not be hearing the media, it is because you are not listening for the gaps between their lines.

[Olerand]

Where will America go from here?
There are many on the left who contend that America should deport no one, and some who believe in #AbolishICE. Most on the right are of such an opposing opinion that they believe in separating little girls with Down Syndrome from their mothers.

Where can a country go from here?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And you don't think there are many immigrants like that also waiting from other Latin American countries? Wow.

I wonder how you would feel if the gov't revoked your citizenship because it no longer cares about Cuba for strategic and economic purposes and breaks up your family. Would you still be so pro deportation and about worshiping the floor Trump shits on?

"And you don't think there are many immigrants like that also waiting from other Latin American countries? Wow."
As I stated I supported the end of the Wet Foot Dry Foot Policy with my posts on NS as unfair to other immigrant groups trying to do the same thing, not for the reasons Obama did it, and doing it before President Trump got a chance to change the policy himsel, for Obama's so called legacy on Cuba.

Yeah yeah, I know. Anything Mr. Trump does is holy and shame on Obama for not putting zero tolerance policies in place that would make it easier for the current admin to bitch and moan about. Mhm. But hey, Cuba is a special snowflake case so fuck those groups that are in hellholes, waiting to be granted access to the US the legal way. They don't have a Castro, and they do not have Marielitos, hur. No siree. And how dare we understand the desperation that drives them to enter illegally. I mean, they didn't get on a floating dingy and brace the waters of the Atlantic so what if they have to pay coyotes and brave the desert? Fuck them.

[Greater Miami Shores]

"And you don't think there are many immigrants like that also waiting from other Latin American countries? Wow."
As I stated I supported the end of the Wet Foot Dry Foot Policy with my posts on NS as unfair to other immigrant groups trying to do the same thing, not for the reasons Obama did it, and doing it before President Trump got a chance to change the policy himsel, for Obama's so called legacy on Cuba.

Yeah yeah, I know. Anything Mr. Trump does is holy and shame on Obama for not putting zero tolerance policies in place that would make it easier for the current admin to bitch and moan about. Mhm. But hey, Cuba is a special snowflake case so fuck those groups that are in hellholes, waiting to be granted access to the US the legal way. They don't have a Castro, and they do not have Marielitos, hur. No siree. And how dare we understand the desperation that drives them to enter illegally. I mean, they didn't get on a floating dingy and brace the waters of the Atlantic so what if they have to pay coyotes and brave the desert? Fuck them.

'Yeah yeah, I know. Anything Mr. Trump does is holy and shame on Obama for not putting zero tolerance policies in place that would make it easier for the current admin to bitch and moan about. Mhm."
Lol, you are talking about the Great Deporter In Chief Obama, who deported whenever he felt like it politically, stopped it whenever he felt like it politically and then deported again and ended the Cuban Wet Foot Dry Foot Policy, turning Cubans back at the Mexican border, when he felt like it politically, for his selfish so called legacy on Cuba, and appeasement of the Castro Brothers, lol.

[Genivaria]

So at what point does the word Evil become a valid description of this administration?

[Conserative Morality]

Yeah yeah, I know. Anything Mr. Trump does is holy and shame on Obama for not putting zero tolerance policies in place that would make it easier for the current admin to bitch and moan about. Mhm. But hey, Cuba is a special snowflake case so fuck those groups that are in hellholes, waiting to be granted access to the US the legal way. They don't have a Castro, and they do not have Marielitos, hur. No siree. And how dare we understand the desperation that drives them to enter illegally. I mean, they didn't get on a floating dingy and brace the waters of the Atlantic so what if they have to pay coyotes and brave the desert? Fuck them.

'Yeah yeah, I know. Anything Mr. Trump does is holy and shame on Obama for not putting zero tolerance policies in place that would make it easier for the current admin to bitch and moan about. Mhm."
Lol, you are talking about the Great Deporter In Chief Obama, who deported whenever he felt like it politically, stopped it whenever he felt like it politically and then deported again and ended the Cuban Wet Foot Dry Foot Policy, turning Cubans back at the Mexican border, when he felt like it politically, for his selfish so called legacy on Cuba, and appeasement of the Castro Brothers.

I'm sorry that you're upset that Cubans have to follow the same rules as everyone else now. =^)

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yeah yeah, I know. Anything Mr. Trump does is holy and shame on Obama for not putting zero tolerance policies in place that would make it easier for the current admin to bitch and moan about. Mhm. But hey, Cuba is a special snowflake case so fuck those groups that are in hellholes, waiting to be granted access to the US the legal way. They don't have a Castro, and they do not have Marielitos, hur. No siree. And how dare we understand the desperation that drives them to enter illegally. I mean, they didn't get on a floating dingy and brace the waters of the Atlantic so what if they have to pay coyotes and brave the desert? Fuck them.

'Yeah yeah, I know. Anything Mr. Trump does is holy and shame on Obama for not putting zero tolerance policies in place that would make it easier for the current admin to bitch and moan about. Mhm."
Lol, you are talking about the Great Deporter In Chief Obama, who deported whenever he felt like it politically, stopped it whenever he felt like it politically and then deported again and ended the Cuban Wet Foot Dry Foot Policy, turning Cubans back at the Mexican border, when he felt like it politically, for his selfish so called legacy on Cuba, lol.

Mhm, because his administration implemented breaking up families as a matter of course. Yes. Selfish legacy on Cuba by attempting to lift the embargo and extend political negotiations of friendship. But ok, what do you care? You're in the US, eating every day and having freedoms. So what if your fellow countrymen can't enjoy that.