US immigration breaking up families

[Petrasylvania]

It's amusingly ironic that in their desperation to bar Latinos from the United States they end up incorporating Latino children into the United States anyways.

It is hardly the first time in history that children were taken from undesirables and given to good, upstanding families instead.

All it's going to do in the long run is encourage Latino families to send their children to the U.S. unaccompanied.

[Alvecia]

It is hardly the first time in history that children were taken from undesirables and given to good, upstanding families instead.

Are you honestly comparing the current situation to the treatment of Aboriginal children in residential schools?

Not only is that wholly inaccurate, it's also in extremely poor taste in more ways than one.

Was discovered to be happening quite significantly in Ireland recently iirc

[Petrasylvania]

It is hardly the first time in history that children were taken from undesirables and given to good, upstanding families instead.

Are you honestly comparing the current situation to the treatment of Aboriginal children in residential schools?

Not only is that wholly inaccurate, it's also in extremely poor taste in more ways than one.

It's Trumpamerica. Don't be surprised if similar mindsets are in play with separating the children and putting them up for adoption.

[Ifreann]

It is hardly the first time in history that children were taken from undesirables and given to good, upstanding families instead.

Are you honestly comparing the current situation to the treatment of Aboriginal children in residential schools?

Not specifically that Stolen Generation, no.

Not only is that wholly inaccurate, it's also in extremely poor taste in more ways than one.

Children being taken away from their immigrant parents and given to American families, families chosen by foster agencies that have contracts with Trump's government, with little if any possibility of being returned? Sounds Stolen Generation-y to me.

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Are you honestly comparing the current situation to the treatment of Aboriginal children in residential schools?

Not only is that wholly inaccurate, it's also in extremely poor taste in more ways than one.

Was discovered to be happening quite significantly in Ireland recently iirc

I believe the US has some history of doing it with Native American kids, too.

[Canadensia]

Are you honestly comparing the current situation to the treatment of Aboriginal children in residential schools?

Not specifically that Stolen Generation, no.

Not only is that wholly inaccurate, it's also in extremely poor taste in more ways than one.

Children being taken away from their immigrant parents and given to American families, families chosen by foster agencies that have contracts with Trump's government, with little if any possibility of being returned? Sounds Stolen Generation-y to me.

Minus the rape, child molestation, rampant untreated tuberculosis outbreaks, domestic abuse and pretty much everything that made the Stolen Generation a travesty of human rights, sure.

It's extremely inaccurate to compare literal ethnic cleansing with current US border control policies.

[The East Marches II]

It is hardly the first time in history that children were taken from undesirables and given to good, upstanding families instead.

All it's going to do in the long run is encourage Latino families to send their children to the U.S. unaccompanied.

They'd probably turn out better in the end tbh. I don't blame them for trying.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Not specifically that Stolen Generation, no.


Children being taken away from their immigrant parents and given to American families, families chosen by foster agencies that have contracts with Trump's government, with little if any possibility of being returned? Sounds Stolen Generation-y to me.

Minus the rape, child molestation, rampant untreated tuberculosis outbreaks, domestic abuse and pretty much everything that made the Stolen Generation a travesty of human rights, sure.

It's extremely inaccurate to compare literal ethnic cleansing with current US border control policies.

Yeah this is a human rights travesty that’s predominantly targeting an ethnic minority. Horrible, but a bit better

[Petrasylvania]

Not specifically that Stolen Generation, no.


Children being taken away from their immigrant parents and given to American families, families chosen by foster agencies that have contracts with Trump's government, with little if any possibility of being returned? Sounds Stolen Generation-y to me.

Minus the rape, child molestation, rampant untreated tuberculosis outbreaks, domestic abuse and pretty much everything that made the Stolen Generation a travesty of human rights, sure.

Just because it's not reported doesn't mean it's not happening. With so many children literally unaccounted for it would be a miracle if no abuse actually takes place.

[Alvecia]

Was discovered to be happening quite significantly in Ireland recently iirc

I believe the US has some history of doing it with Native American kids, too.

Now you mention it, that does ring a bell. I seem to recall something about it happening with poorer Italian kids back when they were the new immigrants on the block in America, or something to that effect.

[Canadensia]

Minus the rape, child molestation, rampant untreated tuberculosis outbreaks, domestic abuse and pretty much everything that made the Stolen Generation a travesty of human rights, sure.

Just because it's not reported doesn't mean it's not happening. With so many children literally unaccounted for it would be a miracle if no abuse actually takes place.

In some capacity, sure, probably.

In any way that's even remotely comparable to what occurred in residential schools, let alone to the Lost Generation as a whole? No, not even close.

It's ridiculous to compare the two. About as much as labeling Trump a dictator or Hitler incarnate.

[Ifreann]

Not specifically that Stolen Generation, no.


Children being taken away from their immigrant parents and given to American families, families chosen by foster agencies that have contracts with Trump's government, with little if any possibility of being returned? Sounds Stolen Generation-y to me.

Minus the rape, child molestation, rampant untreated tuberculosis outbreaks, domestic abuse and pretty much everything that made the Stolen Generation a travesty of human rights, sure.

There's probably no tuberculosis, yeah. If you think that none of these children disappearing into America are being abused then you're fooling yourself.

It's extremely inaccurate to compare literal ethnic cleansing with current US border control policies.

What's inaccurate about it? The US government is stealing children from their parents and giving them to other families.

[Alvecia]

Just because it's not reported doesn't mean it's not happening. With so many children literally unaccounted for it would be a miracle if no abuse actually takes place.

In some capacity, sure, probably.

In any way that's even remotely comparable to what occurred in residential schools, let alone to the Lost Generation as a whole? No, not even close.

It's ridiculous to compare the two. About as much as labeling Trump a dictator or Hitler incarnate.

You know comparisons don't need to be exact 1 - 1 relationships, right?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Minus the rape, child molestation, rampant untreated tuberculosis outbreaks, domestic abuse and pretty much everything that made the Stolen Generation a travesty of human rights, sure.

Just because it's not reported doesn't mean it's not happening. With so many children literally unaccounted for it would be a miracle if no abuse actually takes place.

Oh I’m positive there’s shit happening
I’m actually expect some of those missing kids went into the trade

[Ifreann]

Just because it's not reported doesn't mean it's not happening. With so many children literally unaccounted for it would be a miracle if no abuse actually takes place.

In some capacity, sure, probably.

In any way that's even remotely comparable to what occurred in residential schools, let alone to the Lost Generation as a whole? No, not even close.

It's ridiculous to compare the two. About as much as labeling Trump a dictator or Hitler incarnate.

This may blow your mind, but it is possible, and often useful, to compare things that are different in many ways and similar in few.

[Canadensia]

In some capacity, sure, probably.

In any way that's even remotely comparable to what occurred in residential schools, let alone to the Lost Generation as a whole? No, not even close.

It's ridiculous to compare the two. About as much as labeling Trump a dictator or Hitler incarnate.

You know comparisons don't need to be exact 1 - 1 relationships, right?

They need to at least be in the same ballpark.

In some capacity, sure, probably.

In any way that's even remotely comparable to what occurred in residential schools, let alone to the Lost Generation as a whole? No, not even close.

It's ridiculous to compare the two. About as much as labeling Trump a dictator or Hitler incarnate.

This may blow your mind, but it is possible, and often useful, to compare things that are different in many ways and similar in few.

Not when there's only a surface similarity, no.

Comparing things that are vastly different in scale is ridiculous and intellectually dishonest, serving only as shock-value. It makes as much sense as claiming that Bill Clinton having sex with Monica Lewinsky was actually rape, or that Bernie supporting universal healthcare makes him a literal Communist.

All you're doing is contributing to the polarization of politics, which as an end result just creates echo chambers with no room for actual dialogue.

[Saiwania]

All it's going to do in the long run is encourage Latino families to send their children to the U.S. unaccompanied.

That is why I'm not only in favor of deporting the adults, but the children as well.

Only I think that perhaps an additional step could be taken to separate them anyways to further discourage any future attempts. If a family unit is caught illegally crossing in from Columbia for example, we could drop the parents off at Santa Marta and drop the children off at Mitu, in Columbia as one example.

The two cities are 700+ miles away in opposite directions. They will be lost and way too busy trying to reunite to even think about going back to the US independently of one another. The objective is achieved if as many financial and other barriers are placed against their travel attempts. You got to drain or erase their life savings to make a real dent.

[Internationalist Bastard]

All it's going to do in the long run is encourage Latino families to send their children to the U.S. unaccompanied.

That is why I'm not only in favor of deporting the adults, but the children as well.

Only I think that perhaps an additional step could be taken to separate them anyways to further discourage any future attempts. If a family unit is caught illegally crossing in from Columbia for example, we could drop the parents off at Santa Marta and drop the children off at Mitu, in Columbia as one example.

The two cities are 700+ miles away in opposite directions. They will be lost and way too busy trying to reunite to even think about going back to the US independently of one another. The objective is achieved if as many financial and other barriers are placed against their travel attempts. You got to drain or erase their life savings to make a real dent.

That’s fucking horrible

[Petrasylvania]

All it's going to do in the long run is encourage Latino families to send their children to the U.S. unaccompanied.

That is why I'm not only in favor of deporting the adults, but the children as well.

Only I think that perhaps an additional step could be taken to separate them anyways to further discourage any future attempts. If a family unit is caught illegally crossing in from Columbia for example, we could drop the parents off at Santa Marta and drop the children off at Mitu, in Columbia as one example.

The two cities are 700+ miles away in opposite directions. They will be lost and way too busy trying to reunite to even think about going back to the US independently of one another. The objective is achieved if as many financial and other barriers are placed against their travel attempts. You got to drain or erase their life savings to make a real dent.

I'll interrupt your sadistic racist fantasy to point out you can never stop people with absolutely nothing to lose. Also, nice to find out you're advocating for putting children in a position to be exploited in slave and/or sex trades as long as they're not white.

[Ifreann]

This may blow your mind, but it is possible, and often useful, to compare things that are different in many ways and similar in few.

Not when there's only a surface similarity, no.

Even that can, potentially, be useful.

Comparing things that are vastly different in scale is ridiculous and intellectually dishonest, serving only as shock-value. It makes as much sense as claiming that Bill Clinton having sex with Monica Lewinsky was actually rape, or that Bernie supporting universal healthcare makes him a literal Communist.

You can't compare the stealing of children from their parents to the stealing of children from their parents?

All you're doing is contributing to the polarization of politics, which as an end result just creates echo chambers with no room for actual dialogue.

He said, in the course of having a dialogue.

[Ifreann]

All it's going to do in the long run is encourage Latino families to send their children to the U.S. unaccompanied.

That is why I'm not only in favor of deporting the adults, but the children as well.

Only I think that perhaps an additional step could be taken to separate them anyways to further discourage any future attempts. If a family unit is caught illegally crossing in from Columbia for example, we could drop the parents off at Santa Marta and drop the children off at Mitu, in Columbia as one example.

The two cities are 700+ miles away in opposite directions. They will be lost and way too busy trying to reunite to even think about going back to the US independently of one another. The objective is achieved if as many financial and other barriers are placed against their travel attempts. You got to drain or erase their life savings to make a real dent.

This is atrocious even for you.

[Canadensia]

Not when there's only a surface similarity, no.

Even that can, potentially, be useful.

If your only intent is to malignantly misrepresent other peoples' viewpoints, sure.

You can't compare the stealing of children from their parents to the stealing of children from their parents?

Again, surface-level comparisons.

He said, in the course of having a dialogue.

It's not really a dialogue when we both agree with the basic premise, but are only quibbling over the details.

You and others have all but fully shut out dissenting points of view in this thread.

[Saiwania]

Also, nice to find out you're advocating for putting children in a position to be exploited in slave and/or sex trades as long as they're not white.

Ideally, the government of their country of origin would protect them. But if that isn't the case for whatever reason, that is not the US' fault or problem. It is a harsh and imperfect world where a ton of people won't get help or a good outcome. The better approach is to enable as many people as possible to be self reliant- regardless of circumstance. Extending charity too often is foolish at best.

It is how rich countries become poor, they import poverty from elsewhere; spend too much on stupid stuff and fall behind from allowing their wealth and resources to transfer to other countries or get wasted on unworthy causes such as people coming in from poor countries.

[Ifreann]

Even that can, potentially, be useful.

If your only intent is to malignantly misrepresent other peoples' viewpoints, sure.

Whose viewpoint am I malignantly misrepresenting?

You can't compare the stealing of children from their parents to the stealing of children from their parents?

Again, surface-level comparisons.

Okay? I'm not aware of "surface-level" meaning "invalid" or "impermissible", so I don't really care if that's what you want to call it.

He said, in the course of having a dialogue.

It's not really a dialogue when we both agree with the basic premise, but are only quibbling over the details.

You and others have all but fully shut out dissenting points of view in this thread.

Are people afraid that I might post something they don't agree with? Seems to me that they're the ones preventing dialogue.

[Ifreann]

Also, nice to find out you're advocating for putting children in a position to be exploited in slave and/or sex trades as long as they're not white.

Ideally, the government of their country of origin would protect them. But if that isn't the case for whatever reason, that is not the US' fault or problem. It is a harsh and imperfect world where a ton of people won't get help or a good outcome. The better approach is to enable as many people as possible to be self reliant- regardless of circumstance. Extending charity too often is foolish at best.

It is how rich countries become poor, they import poverty from elsewhere; spend too much on stupid stuff and fall behind from allowing their wealth and resources to transfer to other countries or get wasted on unworthy causes such as people coming in from poor countries.

You're talking about abandoning toddlers in a city hundreds of miles away from their parents and taking no responsibility for what happens to them.

[Canadensia]

If your only intent is to malignantly misrepresent other peoples' viewpoints, sure.

Whose viewpoint am I malignantly misrepresenting?

Every poster who agrees with the Trump administration's policy on breaking up illegal immigrant families.

Okay? I'm not aware of "surface-level" meaning "invalid" or "impermissible", so I don't really care if that's what you want to call it.

It makes it an extremely weak and ignorant comparison.

If you want to keep making them, go for it. But it just gives the impression you're arguing in bad faith.

Are people afraid that I might post something they don't agree with? Seems to me that they're the ones preventing dialogue.

There's a difference between disagreeing with someone and aggressively misrepresenting their arguments. The latter tends to result in people leaving a thread in disgust.