US immigration breaking up families

[Costa Fierro]

My lot? Where have I made such statements that support such policies?

"It's manufactured outrage to be angry about kids being held in concentration camps" - CF

"B-b-but I'm not in support of these policies!" - Also CF

LMAO that's desperate, even by your standards. So if I don't condemn this, I'm automatically in favour of it?

[Gospel Power]

Build a taller wall, like this:

[Conserative Morality]

LMAO that's desperate, even by your standards. So if I don't condemn this, I'm automatically in favour of it?

If you don't think it should change, you are in favor of the status quo, and the status quo is throwing kids in concentration camps. I would tell you to be brave, man up, and actually stand for the positions you so clearly champion, but I understand that that kind of basic, human backbone, however repulsive it may be in this case, is unlikely to be displayed.

[Costa Fierro]

LMAO that's desperate, even by your standards. So if I don't condemn this, I'm automatically in favour of it?

If you don't think it should change, you are in favor of the status quo, and the status quo is throwing kids in concentration camps. I would tell you to be brave, man up, and actually stand for the positions you so clearly champion, but I understand that that kind of basic, human backbone, however repulsive it may be in this case, is unlikely to be displayed.

"If you're not with us, you're against us". And apparently the right wing killed rational political discourse.

[Conserative Morality]

"If you're not with us, you're against us". And apparently the right wing killed rational political discourse.

Yes, if you're not for stopping kids being thrown in concentration camps, you are necessarily for continuing the practice, even if it is a lukewarm, milquetoast, cowardly kind of support.

[Conserative Morality]

"Are you for stopping people being executed in the streets?"

"No, of course not!"

"... so you believe it should continue?"

"What ever gave you that idea?"

10/10

[Costa Fierro]

"Are you for stopping people being executed in the streets?"

"No, of course not!"

"... so you believe it should continue?"

"What ever gave you that idea?"

10/10

Yes, if you're not for stopping kids being thrown in concentration camps, you are necessarily for continuing the practice, even if it is a lukewarm, milquetoast, cowardly kind of support.

It's like you're not even trying at this point. Care to actually make an argument other than "but you're supporting something bad because I say you are"?

[Trumptonium1]

I assume CM is some kind of solo assassin who would see his role in WW2 as ramboing into concentration camps guns blazing.

[Conserative Morality]

"Are you for stopping people being executed in the streets?"

"No, of course not!"

"... so you believe it should continue?"

"What ever gave you that idea?"

10/10

Yes, if you're not for stopping kids being thrown in concentration camps, you are necessarily for continuing the practice, even if it is a lukewarm, milquetoast, cowardly kind of support.

It's like you're not even trying at this point. Care to actually make an argument other than "but you're supporting something bad because I say you are"?

It's really quite simple. If you can't grasp (or, more likely, don't care to grasp it), that's on you, my friend.

I assume CM is some kind of solo assassin who would see his role in WW2 as ramboing into concentration camps guns blazing.

"Please oppose kids being thrown in concentration camps."

"I guess that means you think you're some mega-violent superhero!"

I know you're trying, buddy, but I think you need more practice.

[Bombadil]

I assume CM is some kind of solo assassin who would see his role in WW2 as ramboing into concentration camps guns blazing.

Goddamit CM, your zinger answer is..

..and I assume Trumptonium would see his role as a guard trying to stop me.

Honestly..

[Conserative Morality]

Goddamit CM, your zinger answer is..

..and I assume Trumptonium would see his role as a guard trying to stop me.

Honestly..

That's a good one! I wish I would've thought of that instead of clarifying.

[Costa Fierro]

It's really quite simple.

It is. All you need to do is acknowledge that you are wrong about your assertions on what I do or do not support.

[Saiwania]

I'm really disappointed if it is true that Trump is signing an executive order to put the family separations on hold. It should most definitely continue. I don't have feelings for these children. The liberal media can give me a break, if they're suffering- what about what's ours?

This border problem is being blamed on everyone else except for the people actually causing the problem- the illegal immigrants.

[Mystic Warriors]

"If you're not with us, you're against us". And apparently the right wing killed rational political discourse.

Yes, if you're not for stopping kids being thrown in concentration camps, you are necessarily for continuing the practice, even if it is a lukewarm, milquetoast, cowardly kind of support.

What concentration camps? Do you mean internment?

[Alvecia]

Yes, if you're not for stopping kids being thrown in concentration camps, you are necessarily for continuing the practice, even if it is a lukewarm, milquetoast, cowardly kind of support.

What concentration camps? Do you mean internment?

Definitionally they're pretty much the same thing, just tend to be used differently contextually.

[Conserative Morality]

Welp.

[Trumptonium1]

Deportation*

(even the kids)

Sure, fine.. I don't think anyone agrees with the idea of people entering a country illegally. So deport them all.. just don't make it a point to separate kids who have no choice in the matter from their parents. Surely there's other ways and, even if not, don't make a point to say this is what you're doing specifically and as a matter of course to deter others.

Build a wall.. make Mexico pay for it.. or pretend a wall's there.. be like North Korea

Mexico have done it, in the second half of the game against Germany in the World Cup they built a wall and made Germany pay for it.

All j/k aside.. America has 3.9% unemployment, illegal immigrants make up 3.4% of the population, get rid of all illegal immigrants - I assume some are raping and murdering not working exactly so.. that's still a good 1% of jobs to go around..

No but seriously.. is 3.4% of illegal immigrants a massive issue? Why does it dominate the national conversation? Is it about Real Americans™ or is it a political trope designed to stir emotions.. on both side I might add.

Everyone should stop politicians from exploiting wedge issues for power, from driving a 'them and us' philosophy so well espoused by Trumptonium who will easily disregard his ethics over partisanship.

It's an issue, sure, but is separating kids from their families the answer.. regardless of whether, as 4 year olds, we might exclaim 'but he started it'..

This is not at you, it's just an overall comment.

Ethics and partisanship go hand in hand - there is no middle ground. A lack of partisanship inherently means a lack of ethics, as you support the other side's depravity and turpitude.

[Petrasylvania]

"It's manufactured outrage to be angry about kids being held in concentration camps" - CF

"B-b-but I'm not in support of these policies!" - Also CF

LMAO that's desperate, even by your standards. So if I don't condemn this, I'm automatically in favour of it?

Hey, if that litmus test is good enough for moderate Muslims, why not moderate Trump supporters?

[Ifreann]

Welp.

Trump has the best people.

[-Ocelot-]

Welp.

So these people hate racial minorities, religious minorities, the LGBT and the disabled. Good thing the silent majority expelled the "evil leftist nazis" from power in the US

[Ifreann]

What I'm gathering from 'Murican retweets is that CBP may never be able to reunite the parents and children they've already separated, because they never took note of what child belongs to what parents.

They took children from their parents without giving a moment's thought to ever giving them back. And some of those kids are getting put into foster homes.

Stolen Generation? Stolen Generation.

[Canadensia]

LMAO that's desperate, even by your standards. So if I don't condemn this, I'm automatically in favour of it?

If you don't think it should change, you are in favor of the status quo, and the status quo is throwing kids in concentration camps. I would tell you to be brave, man up, and actually stand for the positions you so clearly champion, but I understand that that kind of basic, human backbone, however repulsive it may be in this case, is unlikely to be displayed.

There's a lot of things wrong with that line of thought.

Notably, it assumes collective guilt, which is... a rather unwieldy and easily abused concept, to say the least.

To use some examples, are we to assume that during the 1960's everyone who wasn't a Civil Rights activist was actually a racist? How about all the Germans during WWII who weren't actively trying to undermine the Nazi regime; were they all secretly collaborators? Or how about the Parisians during the height of Robespierre's revolutionary Terreur who said nothing when their neighbours were being carted off to be guillotined in the town square? All Jacobins, I'm sure.

You're conflating indifference and inaction with willful support.

[Petrasylvania]

What I'm gathering from 'Murican retweets is that CBP may never be able to reunite the parents and children they've already separated, because they never took note of what child belongs to what parents.

They took children from their parents without giving a moment's thought to ever giving them back. And some of those kids are getting put into foster homes.

Stolen Generation? Stolen Generation.

It's amusingly ironic that in their desperation to bar Latinos from the United States they end up incorporating Latino children into the United States anyways.

[Ifreann]

What I'm gathering from 'Murican retweets is that CBP may never be able to reunite the parents and children they've already separated, because they never took note of what child belongs to what parents.

They took children from their parents without giving a moment's thought to ever giving them back. And some of those kids are getting put into foster homes.

Stolen Generation? Stolen Generation.

It's amusingly ironic that in their desperation to bar Latinos from the United States they end up incorporating Latino children into the United States anyways.

It is hardly the first time in history that children were taken from undesirables and given to good, upstanding families instead.

[Canadensia]

It's amusingly ironic that in their desperation to bar Latinos from the United States they end up incorporating Latino children into the United States anyways.

It is hardly the first time in history that children were taken from undesirables and given to good, upstanding families instead.

Are you honestly comparing the current situation to the treatment of Aboriginal children in residential schools?

Not only is that wholly inaccurate, it's also in extremely poor taste in more ways than one.