US immigration breaking up families

[Petrasylvania]

Eh, the illegal immigrants that actually did the rough manual labor in rough conditions are not being replaced fast enough by American citizens. The tend to complain about the working conditions more often, quit at a hell of a higher rate than illegal aliens, tend to ask for perks like health insurance, vacation days, and sick days. And most important of all, they are asking for a hell of lot of a higher wage than illegal immigrants.

I’m all for building the way, but these are the facts. Americans don’t want to do rough manual labor anymore.

Then we should cut off state assistance and hand outs.

Easy to talk about on the assumption of never needing to rely on assistance. It would be ironic to garotte oneself with the proverbial bootstraps after pushing for the abolition of welfare.

[The Parkus Empire]

Then we should cut off state assistance and hand outs.

Sure, but the fact is Americans would rather work at something like a retail job if they are going to be paid that low. They don’t want to be paid a shit wage for really rough manual labor.

Agricultural labor, for being a job needing no qualifications, does not actually pay bad, and even provides housing and food in many cases.

What job you "prefer" is of course only relevant if you can get it. If you can't get the job you want, settle for another

[Greater Miami Shores]

This Executive Order highlights the issue here, it effectively means the children stay with their families.. in jail.. which can only last 20 days before they need to be released.

It's testament to Trump's shallow understanding that he's made a huge noise about an intractable issue, he can't solve it and it will haunt his administration. What will happen when those 20 days are up?

He's stuck with an issue he made.

Sounds like a good point Bombadil, but the noise and outrage was made by the media and the American Leftist Liberal democrats in congress, that wont point out and critize that Obama did it too, they should detain them at detention centers with thier families, better yet, under the zero tolerance illegal immigration policy, catch and release should be changed to catch and deport, turn them away at the border, give them a few bottles of water and even food, to cross the Mexican desert back where they illegally came from, illegal immigration problem solved, and it will also save millions of dollars $, and no human rights charges of abuse, lol, yeah right, I would even give them military escort back across Mexico, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, yes the leftist fake news media.

[The Parkus Empire]

Then we should cut off state assistance and hand outs.

Easy to talk about on the assumption of never needing to rely on assistance. It would be ironic to garotte oneself with the proverbial bootstraps after pushing for the abolition of welfare.

According to Delta, people who are able only need it because they are too lazy to work.

[The Black Forrest]

Eh, the illegal immigrants that actually did the rough manual labor in rough conditions are not being replaced fast enough by American citizens. The tend to complain about the working conditions more often, quit at a hell of a higher rate than illegal aliens, tend to ask for perks like health insurance, vacation days, and sick days. And most important of all, they are asking for a hell of lot of a higher wage than illegal immigrants.

I’m all for building the way, but these are the facts. Americans don’t want to do rough manual labor anymore.

Then we should cut off state assistance and hand outs.

I am not on your lawn old man.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Sure, but the fact is Americans would rather work at something like a retail job if they are going to be paid that low. They don’t want to be paid a shit wage for really rough manual labor.

Agricultural labor, for being a job needing no qualifications, does not actually pay bad, and even provides housing and food in many cases.

What job you "prefer" is of course only relevant if you can get it. If you can't get the job you want, settle for another

You are aware that younger Americans are living in urban areas, so jobs in retail and others that don’t typically involve as much manual labor. So, rather than spend a fuck of a lot of gas money to go to job with tougher and rougher conditions with equal amount or less amount of pay? And the wage Amerians that are being offered to work these tough conditions is not that much.

See, I hate to sound like an ass but picking fruit does not have that much upward mobility. Sure, you can get paid a shit wage. However, industies that start of with low skilled jobs, like retail, offer some hope of upward mobility.

Besides, if you are so passionate about this, why don’t you quit your current job and go out in hot fields and pick some fruit?

[Tekania]

Agricultural labor, for being a job needing no qualifications, does not actually pay bad, and even provides housing and food in many cases.

What job you "prefer" is of course only relevant if you can get it. If you can't get the job you want, settle for another

You are aware that younger Americans are living in urban areas, so jobs in retail and others that don’t typically involve as much manual labor. So, rather than spend a fuck of a lot of gas money to go to job with tougher and rougher conditions with equal amount or less amount of pay? And the wage Amerians that are being offered to work these tough conditions is not that much.

See, I hate to sound like an ass but picking fruit does not have that much upward mobility. Sure, you can get paid a shit wage. However, industies that start of with low skilled jobs, like retail, offer some hope of upward mobility.

Besides, if you are so passionate about this, why don’t you quit your current job and go out in hot fields and pick some fruit?

I propose a compromise, we limit the public assistance to moving them to the agricultural areas where the picking is. That way they still get some assistance, and jobs that are vacant still get filled.

[Tobleste]

For someone advocating for strict enforcement of the law, you sure seem to not know much about said laws.

That seems to be a recurring theme amongst such people.

Law isn't the cause of concern. It's the race of the immigrants in question. If this was the northern border, no-one would care.

[Bombadil]

This Executive Order highlights the issue here, it effectively means the children stay with their families.. in jail.. which can only last 20 days before they need to be released.

It's testament to Trump's shallow understanding that he's made a huge noise about an intractable issue, he can't solve it and it will haunt his administration. What will happen when those 20 days are up?

He's stuck with an issue he made.

Sounds like a good point Bombadil, but the noise and outrage was made by the media and the American Leftist Liberal democrats in congress, that wont point out and critize that Obama did it too, they should detain them at detention centers with thier families, better yet, under the zero tolerance illegal immigration policy, catch and release should be changed to catch and deport, turn them away at the border, give them a few bottles of water and even food, to cross the Mexican desert back where they illegally came from, illegal immigration problem solved, and it will also save millions of dollars $, and no human rights charges of abuse, lol, yeah right, I would even give them military escort back across Mexico, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, yes the leftist fake news media.

Well the difference is the language used by this administration about the same intractable issue. It's not like people think 'hmm.. I would like to go to America but it's just such a bother to do paperwork, I know I'll walk across the border'. No, most of these people are doing this out of desperation. So it will continue to happen.

Now you can try to manage the situation as best you can or you can create a huge noise about it, calling people rapists, murderers and more and create an atmosphere of distrust and dislike, that echoes into border guards being dicks.. along with your broader nationalistic and racist agenda.. so it's within that context as to why Trump is treated differently.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

You are aware that younger Americans are living in urban areas, so jobs in retail and others that don’t typically involve as much manual labor. So, rather than spend a fuck of a lot of gas money to go to job with tougher and rougher conditions with equal amount or less amount of pay? And the wage Amerians that are being offered to work these tough conditions is not that much.

See, I hate to sound like an ass but picking fruit does not have that much upward mobility. Sure, you can get paid a shit wage. However, industies that start of with low skilled jobs, like retail, offer some hope of upward mobility.

Besides, if you are so passionate about this, why don’t you quit your current job and go out in hot fields and pick some fruit?

I propose a compromise, we limit the public assistance to moving them to the agricultural areas where the picking is. That way they still get some assistance, and jobs that are vacant still get filled.

I actually believe that limiting public assistance and let the person choose what job or career they wish to pursue. I don’t believe the state should be forcing one to do a particular job. Force them to find work, but let them choose.

[Petrasylvania]

Easy to talk about on the assumption of never needing to rely on assistance. It would be ironic to garotte oneself with the proverbial bootstraps after pushing for the abolition of welfare.

According to Delta, people who are able only need it because they are too lazy to work.

And you can cite this allegation? Otherwise you are doing a great channeling of the Trump Buck Pass.

[The Parkus Empire]

Agricultural labor, for being a job needing no qualifications, does not actually pay bad, and even provides housing and food in many cases.

What job you "prefer" is of course only relevant if you can get it. If you can't get the job you want, settle for another

You are aware that younger Americans are living in urban areas, so jobs in retail and others that don’t typically involve as much manual labor. So, rather than spend a fuck of a lot of gas money to go to job with tougher and rougher conditions with equal amount or less amount of pay? And the wage Amerians that are being offered to work these tough conditions is not that much.

See, I hate to sound like an ass but picking fruit does not have that much upward mobility. Sure, you can get paid a shit wage. However, industies that start of with low skilled jobs, like retail, offer some hope of upward mobility.

Besides, if you are so passionate about this, why don’t you quit your current job and go out in hot fields and pick some fruit?

Hey, if they already have a job, that's swell. I mean people who don't

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Easy to talk about on the assumption of never needing to rely on assistance. It would be ironic to garotte oneself with the proverbial bootstraps after pushing for the abolition of welfare.

According to Delta, people who are able only need it because they are too lazy to work.

Tell me where the fuck I said that, dude. I said people receiving public assistance should be forced to fine work. So, you just fucking lied right now.

[Greater Miami Shores]

You are aware that younger Americans are living in urban areas, so jobs in retail and others that don’t typically involve as much manual labor. So, rather than spend a fuck of a lot of gas money to go to job with tougher and rougher conditions with equal amount or less amount of pay? And the wage Amerians that are being offered to work these tough conditions is not that much.

See, I hate to sound like an ass but picking fruit does not have that much upward mobility. Sure, you can get paid a shit wage. However, industies that start of with low skilled jobs, like retail, offer some hope of upward mobility.

Besides, if you are so passionate about this, why don’t you quit your current job and go out in hot fields and pick some fruit?

I propose a compromise, we limit the public assistance to moving them to the agricultural areas where the picking is. That way they still get some assistance, and jobs that are vacant still get filled.

I support a guest worker agricultural program, I think we have one, if we do perhaps it needs to be improved, but no birth right citizenship for any kids they might have, it creates another automatic Daca situation.

A Daca deal that doesent end birth right citizenship for future potential illegal immigrants creates another automatic Daca Situation.

Sounds like a good point Bombadil, but the noise and outrage was made by the media and the American Leftist Liberal democrats in congress, that wont point out and critize that Obama did it too, they should detain them at detention centers with thier families, better yet, under the zero tolerance illegal immigration policy, catch and release should be changed to catch and deport, turn them away at the border, give them a few bottles of water and even food, to cross the Mexican desert back where they illegally came from, illegal immigration problem solved, and it will also save millions of dollars $, and no human rights charges of abuse, lol, yeah right, I would even give them friendly military escort back across Mexico, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, even Mexico deports illegal immigrants, yes the leftist fake news media.

[The Parkus Empire]

According to Delta, people who are able only need it because they are too lazy to work.

And you can cite this allegation? Otherwise you are doing a great channeling of the Trump Buck Pass.

He just said we need immigrants because Americans won't do tough manual labor, and those jobs aren't filled. If that is the case, it stands to reason that an able man would only be unemployed for refusing to do such work, as it needs no qualifications

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

According to Delta, people who are able only need it because they are too lazy to work.

And you can cite this allegation? Otherwise you are doing a great channeling of the Trump Buck Pass.

I even said that people on public assistance should be forced to fine work. This fucking gaslighting on the right is a fucking pain in the ass.

[The Parkus Empire]

According to Delta, people who are able only need it because they are too lazy to work.

Tell me where the fuck I said that, dude. I said people receiving public assistance should be forced to fine work. So, you just fucking lied right now.

You said we need immigrants to do work they refuse to

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

And you can cite this allegation? Otherwise you are doing a great channeling of the Trump Buck Pass.

He just said we need immigrants because Americans won't do tough manual labor, and those jobs aren't filled. If that is the case, it stands to reason that an able man would only be unemployed for refusing to do such work, as it needs no qualifications

I said AMERICANS are finding OTHER PLACES OF WORK. Jesus fucking Christ man.

[Bombadil]

I think the discussion of feckless Americans who don't want to work should be elsewhere myself. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump decided to cut welfare to force lazy Americans to take the jobs migrants are doing and thus solve illegal immigration once and for all but.. well it won't work either.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Tell me where the fuck I said that, dude. I said people receiving public assistance should be forced to fine work. So, you just fucking lied right now.

You said we need immigrants to do work they refuse to

Post the quote where I said “We need immigrants to do work they(Americans) refuse to do.” I did not say “We need immigrants”. I said that Americans are refusing to do the job that illegal immigrants do. That’s it.

[Tobleste]

I am surprised that Trump has done something aimed at solving it. I don't know if it will actually change anything because his word means nothing but it's opened the possibility of an improvement.

If it works, it shows that if democrats and independents voice their disapproval enough, they can force republican politicians to change. If this issue was left to the conscience of republican voters, those children would be in cages until they had their own kids.

[Bombadil]

I am surprised that Trump has done something aimed at solving it. I don't know if it will actually change anything because his word means nothing but it's opened the possibility of an improvement.

If it works, it shows that if democrats and independents voice their disapproval enough, they can force republican politicians to change. If this issue was left to the conscience of republican voters, those kids would be in solitary confinement forever.

“The dilemma is that if you’re weak, as some people would like you to be, if you’re really, really pathetically weak, the country’s going to be overrun with millions of people,” Trump said. “And if you’re strong, then you don’t have any heart. That’s a tough dilemma. Perhaps I’d rather be strong but that’s a tough dilemma.”

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

I am surprised that Trump has done something aimed at solving it. I don't know if it will actually change anything because his word means nothing but it's opened the possibility of an improvement.

If it works, it shows that if democrats and independents voice their disapproval enough, they can force republican politicians to change. If this issue was left to the conscience of republican voters, those children would be in cages until they had their own kids.

I think his policy reversal of separating illegal immigrants families will actually backfire on him within the far-right factions of his party.

[Tobleste]

I am surprised that Trump has done something aimed at solving it. I don't know if it will actually change anything because his word means nothing but it's opened the possibility of an improvement.

If it works, it shows that if democrats and independents voice their disapproval enough, they can force republican politicians to change. If this issue was left to the conscience of republican voters, those kids would be in solitary confinement forever.

“The dilemma is that if you’re weak, as some people would like you to be, if you’re really, really pathetically weak, the country’s going to be overrun with millions of people,” Trump said. “And if you’re strong, then you don’t have any heart. That’s a tough dilemma. Perhaps I’d rather be strong but that’s a tough dilemma.”

Didn't he also use the word "infest"? It sounds harsh but Trump and his supporters don't seem to view immigrants as being fully human.

[Tekania]

I am surprised that Trump has done something aimed at solving it. I don't know if it will actually change anything because his word means nothing but it's opened the possibility of an improvement.

If it works, it shows that if democrats and independents voice their disapproval enough, they can force republican politicians to change. If this issue was left to the conscience of republican voters, those children would be in cages until they had their own kids.

You mean the same democrats that were willing to throw the children under the bus in the name of partisan politicking?