US immigration breaking up families

[Conserative Morality]

i have no idea nervun is talking about himself again and bringing japan into every conversation, like talking to a german. somehow conflating the party with the bubble

No, I think you're just failing to read very simple explanations of why your accusations make no sense.

[MERIZoC]

Because the other option (letting everyone stay) is shittier.

I support letting parents take their children with them, if that isn't the default position already. Which, given US bureaucracy, it probably isn't.

... Are you aware of what the hell is happening? I mean, really?

Is anyone surprised our resident white supremacists support this? ICE could be slaughtering these immigrants and they wouldn't have a problem with it, there's no point engaging.

[NERVUN]

So you in fact DON'T actually know what's going on?

no sorry i don't have equal access to nippon tv to be aware of the intricacies

And yet you are making claims and suggestions here that are nonsensical given the actual facts on the ground. Perhaps you SHOULD watch NHK since it seems to provide better news coverage than wherever you're getting it from.

They do stream it for free. With English dubbing.

[Rio Cana]

Seems no one has really brought forward a solution. So here three possible solutions to this problem -

1. Keep the families together no matter what. If you had to separate the men from the women then maybe. But not the women from there children. If its men with children also keep them together.

2. Deport those with children on the spot. At least the family is together.

3. Most of the immigrants are coming from the northern Central American triangle which consists of the nations of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador . The US got involved in the internal affairs of these three nations during the cold war thus they became US allies. So forget about that $25 billion dollar wall in the middle of nowhere and instead spend half that money into developing and stabilizing those three nations.

[UniversalCommons]

Deport them together.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Separating families is never a good idea in these circumstances. Even when the gov't keeps saying the children will be taken good care of, the ideal thing is for the families to stay together and for these children to be with their parents. If they're to be deported, best to deport the entire family and then help them go through the legal channels for immigration.

[Conserative Morality]

Deport them together.

They're not being deported at all, though. They're being locked up in Federal prison so they can be used as political bargaining chips.

[Fartsniffage]

I was talking about this with my dad today. He raised an interesting point. If it were a place like NK or Saudi Arabia or Russia putting children in cages with just roll mats and foil blankets then the world would be in uproar, why is the US getting such a pass?

[Right wing humour squad]

Just deport them together. Don’t give them hearings. Take them to the border drop them off. Give them a bill for the cost of deporting them. Let Mexico know that if the bill isn’t paid in a year that you will be taking the money from the Mexican government.

Keep ramping up the cost till Mexico decides it’s cheaper to keep them in themselves.

[UniversalCommons]

This is sickness. They need the kids to go back home with the parents. Prisons cost money even prisons with children, they are also inhumane. It would be cheaper to send them back home on a boat as families.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I was talking about this with my dad today. He raised an interesting point. If it were a place like NK or Saudi Arabia or Russia putting children in cages with just roll mats and foil blankets then the world would be in uproar, why is the US getting such a pass?

Because the US is the big kid in the international playground. Plain and simple. Wrong to use this as a the gag, but we should be questioning the US on its treatment of these people. Illegal or not, they should be treated with dignity.

[Kubumba Tribe]

It's a moral shame. If we're going to detain asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, they must be detained as family units.

Sessions tried to justify the policy by citing a verse in Romans that says to obey the law. He subsequently got blasted by pretty much every American religious authority, including by leadership in his own denomination.

Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. -Isaiah

Aameen to that

I was talking about this with my dad today. He raised an interesting point. If it were a place like NK or Saudi Arabia or Russia putting children in cages with just roll mats and foil blankets then the world would be in uproar, why is the US getting such a pass?

That is deep. I never thought about it like that.

[Firaxin]

I was talking about this with my dad today. He raised an interesting point. If it were a place like NK or Saudi Arabia or Russia putting children in cages with just roll mats and foil blankets then the world would be in uproar, why is the US getting such a pass?

Woah, woah, woah. I thought the reason they were being separated was because the children are citizens, why are they being imprisoned, their parents were the criminals here.

[Fartsniffage]

I was talking about this with my dad today. He raised an interesting point. If it were a place like NK or Saudi Arabia or Russia putting children in cages with just roll mats and foil blankets then the world would be in uproar, why is the US getting such a pass?

Because the US is the big kid in the international playground. Plain and simple. Wrong to use this as a the gag, but we should be questioning the US on its treatment of these people. Illegal or not, they should be treated with dignity.

The US head diplomat is currently picking fights with everyone except NK and Russia. There is no reason for the world to not be telling him he's a cunt.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Because the US is the big kid in the international playground. Plain and simple. Wrong to use this as a the gag, but we should be questioning the US on its treatment of these people. Illegal or not, they should be treated with dignity.

The US head diplomat is currently picking fights with everyone except NK and Russia. There is no reason for the world to not be telling him he's a cunt.

Oh, trust me, I agree with you. We should be policing the US's actions if they violate human rights. However, that's the reason why we aren't, the international community, in an uproar. The US is a big kid.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I was talking about this with my dad today. He raised an interesting point. If it were a place like NK or Saudi Arabia or Russia putting children in cages with just roll mats and foil blankets then the world would be in uproar, why is the US getting such a pass?

Woah, woah, woah. I thought the reason they were being separated was because the children are citizens, why are they being imprisoned, their parents were the criminals here.

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense, it's a civil offense.

[Soviet-mongol]

Progressive people need to help this families, especially once they settle in the US they will add manpower to the anti-racist cause.

[Fartsniffage]

Woah, woah, woah. I thought the reason they were being separated was because the children are citizens, why are they being imprisoned, their parents were the criminals here.

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense, it's a civil offense.

In the US it is if you cross a boarder at a point not designated as a boarder crossing it is a criminal offence. It's just that no one has really cared until about 6 weeks ago when Sessions declared a zero tolerance policy as directed by Trump.

[Firaxin]

Woah, woah, woah. I thought the reason they were being separated was because the children are citizens, why are they being imprisoned, their parents were the criminals here.

Illegal immigration is not a criminal offense, it's a civil offense.

I didn’t mean to overstate their circumstance, I just use criminal liberally.

[Bombadil]

Wait, I thought Trump fixed immigration and it was trending down yet Sanders seems to claim it's been rising greatly over the past few months - this administration just tells such utter lies all the time, whatever suits its narrative at the time.

Of course border patrol doesn't help with a recording where the guard suggests they should have a conductor to orchestrate the sound of kids crying, it's a result of replacing the humanity of people with making them 'a problem'.

Still, following orders is apparently God's work now.

[Liriena]

Putting children in concentration camps, and then incoherently trying to excuse it with utter bullshit because you're doing it while also trying to blame others because you know it makes you look like a piece of shit?

Yeah, that's a one-way ticket to hell right there.

Good stuff.

Shame for the kids but they can blame the US constitution for that when they grow up, for somehow making them American by being born on a certain side of the border. Any civilised country would deport all of them, although I presume the parents still have a degree of autonomy over what happens with their child (?)

You're trying too hard.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Putting children in concentration camps, and then incoherently trying to excuse it with utter bullshit because you're doing it while also trying to blame others because you know it makes you look like a piece of shit?

Yeah, that's a one-way ticket to hell right there.

Good stuff.

Shame for the kids but they can blame the US constitution for that when they grow up, for somehow making them American by being born on a certain side of the border. Any civilised country would deport all of them, although I presume the parents still have a degree of autonomy over what happens with their child (?)

You're trying too hard.

Some have indeed been comparing this to how the Japanese were treated, placed in internment camps, during WWII.

[Liriena]

I was talking about this with my dad today. He raised an interesting point. If it were a place like NK or Saudi Arabia or Russia putting children in cages with just roll mats and foil blankets then the world would be in uproar, why is the US getting such a pass?

Woah, woah, woah. I thought the reason they were being separated was because the children are citizens, why are they being imprisoned, their parents were the criminals here.

Many of the parents are asylum seekers, actually.

[Liriena]

Putting children in concentration camps, and then incoherently trying to excuse it with utter bullshit because you're doing it while also trying to blame others because you know it makes you look like a piece of shit?

Yeah, that's a one-way ticket to hell right there.

You're trying too hard.

Some have indeed been comparing this to how the Japanese were treated, placed in internment camps, during WWII.

More extreme comparisons have been made. The Japanese internment camps seem like a good fit, tho.

[Liriena]

Don’t give them hearings.

Mass deportation without due process is still pretty fucking ethnic-cleansy.

Brilliant idea, tho.