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Postby Serrus » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:59 pm

AP World History gets a makeover, and high school teachers rebel

By BENJAMIN WERMUND

06/11/2018 06:42 AM EDT

High school history teachers are in revolt over the alteration of a widely taught Advanced Placement course that they say threatens to present a skewed, Eurocentric history of the world to thousands of students.

The plan is so incendiary that outraged history teachers protested against it this week at an open forum in Salt Lake City, Utah, with Trevor Packer, senior vice president of Advanced Placement and instruction at the College Board. A video of a testy exchange between Packer and the teachers has been shared hundreds of times online. The standoff touches on issues of culture, color and history with which schools — and society — have been wrangling.

Under the controversial changes, a popular AP World History course would begin in 1450 — essentially the rise of European power — effectively eliminating instruction on pre-colonial Africa, Asia, Americas and the Middle East. Earlier eras would be relegated to a pre-AP course that isn’t tested.

The College Board says it’s making the change because the current class covers too much and most colleges teach similar content as two separate courses. But teachers say the pre-AP course, for which the College Board charges a fee, isn’t likely to be picked up by cash-strapped public schools. And it’s not likely to be taken by students, who can’t earn college credit off a course with no exam or seal of approval as an AP course.

The change in World History matters, teachers say, because AP courses essentially set curriculum for many high schools across the country. Millions of students take Advanced Placement classes, rigorous courses in dozens of subjects, through which they can earn college credit by passing an end-of-course exam.

Students taking the new post-1450 course will lose a broad global understanding of history, teachers say.

“In a world that is fueled by quick reactions on social media, bias news (in all directions) and people responding on passion rather than facts, AP World History is needed more than ever,” Tyler George, who teaches AP World History in Clinton, Mich., said in an email.

“Students need to understand that there was a beautiful, vast and engaging world before Europeans ‘discovered’ it. Students need guidance and knowledge of the past to understand that when they hear ‘Africa’ they shouldn’t immediately think ‘slavery,’” George said.

Even some students are pushing back. An online petition — launched by a high school freshman who took the AP World History course — has drawn thousands of signatures from folks urging the College Board to change its mind.

“I’ve been teaching AP for a decade and I’ve never seen a hornet’s nest stirred up like this,” Tom Richey, who teaches an AP European History course in Seneca, S.C., told POLITICO.

The plan was announced by the College Board this spring and is set to take effect in the 2019-20 school year. The College Board contends it is a response to feedback from teachers who complained that the current setup stuffs too much into a single course, which covers everything from the Stone Age to the present.

The change “would spread this important and valuable content across two academic years, rather than just one,” said Zach Goldberg, a College Board spokesman, in an email.

But after the backlash, Packer wrote on Twitter that the plan could still shift again. Packer wrote that “constructive feedback … has suggested a path forward that will enable us to achieve several priorities that I believe we share and can agree on.” He said the organization will report back on its final plans in July.

The comments, however, followed intense pushback, including at the forum this week.

“You are the authority on our curriculum, because it’s on the test, and the schools want to teach what’s on the test and students want to learn what’s on the test,” Amanda DoAmaral, who taught AP World History in Oakland, Calif., for five years, told Packer.

“You cannot tell my black and brown students that their history is not going to be tested and then assume that isn’t going to matter. … Their histories don’t start at slavery. Their histories don’t start at colonization.”

In the video of the exchange, Packer can be heard responding, “I think you need to take responsibility for assigning me a position that is not accurate.” He says his position is not that that time period isn’t important, but “I think it is so important that it should not be rushed over.”

Packer later says, “Let me put this back on you: Why don’t you switch” and teach the new pre-AP course?

DoAmaral responded that schools can’t afford to offer the new course: “They don’t have the money for pencils, dude. How are they going to teach that class?”

DoAmaral told POLITICO that she stopped teaching last year “because I literally couldn't afford to do it anymore.” She now runs a startup that offers AP instruction online via livestream.

According to a fee structure for the 2019-2020 school year, schools would be charged anywhere from $600 to $6,500 to offer the new pre-AP course, depending on the size of the school and the number of other pre-AP courses it offers.

The College Board doesn’t charge fees for AP courses, but it does charge students $94 for each exam that they don’t take in pre-AP.

Writing on Twitter about the decision to revisit the changes, Packer cited “particularly balanced, thoughtful, and productive suggestions” from teachers he received after that open forum.

But while the College Board is reconsidering how to proceed, it still appears the course will be broken in two, a move officials say will bring it more in line with how world history is taught in college.

“It’s simply not feasible to cover the entire scope, starting in 8000 BC to the present, in one course,” Rick Warner, an associate professor of history at Wabash College in Indiana who is on the College Board committee considering the change, said in a statement.

“The changes to AP World History will benefit teachers and students, enabling them to focus much more care and attention on studying modern world history through a truly global lens, so that students who then take further history classes in college will have the knowledge and skills to succeed,” he said.

DoAmaral said she was hopeful the College Board would reverse course, but wasn’t appeased yet.

“Due to our collective passions for equitable history education, it is clear that College Board is listening,” DoAmaral said. “I hope that they continue to listen as we work together to create an inclusive history curriculum — one that teaches Africa before slavery, the Americas before Columbus, and Asia before imperialism. Our students deserve more than for us to start the story in the middle.”

Even if schools do shell out for the new pre-AP course, students might be less inclined to take it, said Dylan Black, a high school freshman in New Jersey who started the online petition against the change. That’s because students who pass AP exams can earn college credit.

Pre-AP courses, which don’t end with an exam, are “just a fancier way of saying an honors course,” Black said. “There’s no real value to it.”

Black wrote on the petition, which had more than 4,700 signatures as of Friday afternoon, that “the class is demanding on students, but is also one of the most rewarding, life changing classes I've ever had the privilege to take.”

Noah Mitchell, a junior at a high school in Oakland, Calif. who took the world history course as a sophomore, said learning especially about the earlier periods “opened my eyes.”

“It would be cutting down so many people's different histories — like Asian history before imperialism, American history before Columbus and African history before slavery. … I’m not sure I would have known a lot of my own history before slavery,” Mitchell told POLITICO.

“There are so many students who are being told they don’t matter outside of the classroom. … Really, the message that this would be sending is that their histories don’t really matter.”

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College Board, are you entirely composed of rich old white dudes? It's not AP WORLD if you're leaving out critical bits of WORLD HISTORY.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:49 pm

They're wrong about this. College doesn't teach intro-level world history (which is what AP world history is now) in two academic years, they teach it in one. If you can't cover from the beginning of agriculture to now in one academic year, you're not doing what college does, and so it's a poor college preparatory course. Moreover, if they drop the test for pre-1450 history, then they'll likely find that many colleges will not accept AP credits for the first semester of basic world history courses.
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Postby Serrus » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:53 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:They're wrong about this. College doesn't teach intro-level world history (which is what AP world history is now) in two academic years, they teach it in one. If you can't cover from the beginning of agriculture to now in one academic year, you're not doing what college does, and so it's a poor college preparatory course. Moreover, if they drop the test for pre-1450 history, then they'll likely find that many colleges will not accept AP credits for the first semester of basic world history courses.

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:55 pm

Ooo boy, the choice words I have for this shit.

It'd get me DEAT'd and DOS'd 20 times over so I am not going to say it
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:06 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Ooo boy, the choice words I have for this shit.

It'd get me DEAT'd and DOS'd 20 times over so I am not going to say it


We're very unlikely to DOS you for insulting a history curriculum. Just stick to attacking the curriculum, not your fellow NSers that might have different opinions.

But yeah, you need to go back earlier than 1450 even to get a solid understanding of European history -- never mind any of the stuff about the rise of Islam, the earlier Chinese dynasties, etc.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:13 pm

Euro-centrism is the proper version of history if you're from the US or Europe, Canada, or Australia. The claptrap that liberals push is usually a ton of nonsense. There is no need to spend so much effort to learn history from every single angle. The losers of history usually lost for a reason, they aren't worthy of study unless it is a separate course for extra credit hours or whatever.
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Postby Aellex » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:55 pm

You ain't going to learn much about history in class anyway. As for "Eurocentrism", it's only natural for Americans and Europeans to focus on their own history.
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Postby Terra Novae Libero » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:21 pm

All of world history is really a bit much for one high school course. Heck, even with U.S. history we didn't get to the cold war...
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Postby Geneviev » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:43 pm

This is ridiculous. Luckily I get proper AP world. But this is disappointing for everyone who misses it.
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Postby Chan Island » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:53 pm

Really conflicted about this. On the one hand, the curriculum was always shockingly crammed into a small time space, but on the other hand this new curriculum is omitting a lot of stuff. And starting testing at 1450 will absolutely skew things into a Eurocentric perspective that only tells part of the story.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:56 pm

What a load of horseshit. It's world history. Let it cover World History. Though, I do think that the current curriculum, or how it's taught, is a bit flawed as it was taught to me. Waaaaaay too much emphasis on Indian shit but only a week spent on the entirety of Islam and literally nothing on any of the Iranian empires. I'm not even kidding when I say that we didn't even spent a single day on the Iranian empires.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:57 pm

Aellex wrote:You ain't going to learn much about history in class anyway. As for "Eurocentrism", it's only natural for Americans and Europeans to focus on their own history.

In a world history class? Come on, Aellex. There's already American history and European history classes.
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Sahansahiye Iran wrote:What a load of horseshit. It's world history. Let it cover World History. Though, I do think that the current curriculum, or how it's taught, is a bit flawed as it was taught to me. Waaaaaay too much emphasis on Indian shit but only a week spent on the entirety of Islam and literally nothing on any of the Iranian empires. I'm not even kidding when I say that we didn't even spent a single day on the Iranian empires.

Really? The Iranian empires were the third best part. Why didn't you learn about that?
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Sahansahiye Iran wrote:What a load of horseshit. It's world history. Let it cover World History. Though, I do think that the current curriculum, or how it's taught, is a bit flawed as it was taught to me. Waaaaaay too much emphasis on Indian shit but only a week spent on the entirety of Islam and literally nothing on any of the Iranian empires. I'm not even kidding when I say that we didn't even spent a single day on the Iranian empires.

Really? The Iranian empires were the third best part. Why didn't you learn about that?

I have no idea lol. You'd think the fact that they covered a combined millennium of history in most of the Middle East, they'd at least get a mention.
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Geneviev wrote:Really? The Iranian empires were the third best part. Why didn't you learn about that?

I have no idea lol. You'd think the fact that they covered a combined millennium of history in most of the Middle East, they'd at least get a mention.

You would think. That's disappointing.
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Sahansahiye Iran wrote:What a load of horseshit. It's world history. Let it cover World History. Though, I do think that the current curriculum, or how it's taught, is a bit flawed as it was taught to me. Waaaaaay too much emphasis on Indian shit but only a week spent on the entirety of Islam and literally nothing on any of the Iranian empires. I'm not even kidding when I say that we didn't even spent a single day on the Iranian empires.


I'd forgotten about the fact that students can already choose to do European or American history as separate classes. In which case this change is indefensible and probably another case of partisan claptrap.

And what, you did nothing on the Persians?! But they are some of the best parts!
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:23 pm

Aellex wrote:You ain't going to learn much about history in class anyway. As for "Eurocentrism", it's only natural for Americans and Europeans to focus on their own history.

Everyone knows youtube and reddit is a much better place to learn history. Not to mention all the civ and Europa games. :^)

AP US history and AP Euro already exist. Cutting out this stuff from world history is detrimental to the already struggling humanities.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:38 pm

I actually agree with this. There really is not a world history pre 1450. History pre 1450 is Regional in scope with a handful of limited exceptions and even then those events only effect two or three regions at a time. Teaching a course full of unrelated geographically isolated areas does no favor for the student, memory retention, nor learning about the tools of history. What begins in 1450 (and really 1492) is the beginning of truly global history. African crops go to the new world, New world groups to Europe, causing global populations to surge.

Before that time events have neither the scope nor reach to be world history and events effecting multiple geographic areas (and still not global) are the exception not the rule. Whereas events starting after 1492 beginning to comely affects all people on the globe.
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Postby Godular » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:41 pm

I actually have little issue with this. Like it or not, Europe had a rather impressive effect on world events after that point. Is it Eurocentric to look in depth at how shit went nuts for the other continents during the age of imperialism? Is it Eurocentric to study the global ramifications of the cold war and explain what all that first/second/third world stuff actually means?

Recorded details of world events were much more scarce before the Renaissance. Seems to me a good splitting point.
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Godular wrote:I actually have little issue with this. Like it or not, Europe had a rather impressive effect on world events after that point. Is it Eurocentric to look in depth at how shit went nuts for the other continents during the age of imperialism? Is it Eurocentric to study the global ramifications of the cold war and explain what all that first/second/third world stuff actually means?

Recorded details of world events were much more scarce before the Renaissance. Seems to me a good splitting point.


That is the problem. It is not eurocentric to focus on the period of time where there are actually global events. Before the 1450 history was smaller and regional with only occasional inter-regional events. It would make sense to study pre 1450's history in regional shells.
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Postby Godular » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:52 pm

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Godular wrote:I actually have little issue with this. Like it or not, Europe had a rather impressive effect on world events after that point. Is it Eurocentric to look in depth at how shit went nuts for the other continents during the age of imperialism? Is it Eurocentric to study the global ramifications of the cold war and explain what all that first/second/third world stuff actually means?

Recorded details of world events were much more scarce before the Renaissance. Seems to me a good splitting point.


That is the problem. It is not eurocentric to focus on the period of time where there are actually global events. Before the 1450 history was smaller and regional with only occasional inter-regional events. It would make sense to study pre 1450's history in regional shells.


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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:04 am

To be frank, looking into the fishbowl from the outside, it seems rather ridiculous that history classes have to pander to racial minorities for whatever moronic reasons they can think of. As far as I know, schools here decided on the subject content for history classes, and most of it was on 20th century stuff.
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Postby Forsher » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:05 am

USS Monitor wrote:But yeah, you need to go back earlier than 1450 even to get a solid understanding of European history -- never mind any of the stuff about the rise of Islam, the earlier Chinese dynasties, etc.


You can't think of it like that. You'd never get anywhere.

Can't do Nazi Germany without WWI, can't do WWI without Empire and the Unification of Germany, can't do Empire without... well, a global history course... can't do the Unification of Germany without knowing about all the little Germanies... can't do them without...

Choose any topic you like and you'll do the same thing. Can't do Medieval Europe without knowing why it was the way it was... which you can do without... Can't do Australian History without Imperial History... which you can't do without... Can't do Black Civil Rights in the USA without the Atlantic Slave Trade.. can't do the Atlantic Slave without...

At a certain point you just have to stop and say, "Okay, here's some context" and move on. And notice that you're unlikely to do a broad survey course of the world without a lecture/few lessons/module/unit on WWII/Nazi Germany... which is a topic that can in itself be given 12 weeks. Everything taught will be condensed so condensing all the required context isn't really that glaring.

That being said, surely even in the US the school year is at least twice as long as the university year and it's probably longer than that so there doesn't seem to be any particular need to start condensing the year in such a fashion.

On the other hand, I don't really think survey courses are appropriate for the later stages of college (high school), it's not how we did history at school and I really think it's vastly more useful to really get to grips with relatively constrained units. After all, this gives you much more time to deal with what history is really about rather than having to muddle through timeline after timeline after timeline (as it were). You learn to engage with the abstract ideas of historical enquiry at school and then you're much better placed to be able to isolate them when you're suddenly swamped with 500 odd years.

tl;dr -- given the kind of course they're doing, this is the wrong call; but they shouldn't be doing that kind of course.
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Postby Forsher » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:12 am

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Aellex wrote:You ain't going to learn much about history in class anyway. As for "Eurocentrism", it's only natural for Americans and Europeans to focus on their own history.

In a world history class? Come on, Aellex. There's already American history and European history classes.


What even is world history anyway? Just a collection of topics from different places rammed together into one course/book/video/documentary series/whatever, contrast English History or Australian History. It's a pretty old hat way of looking at history.

Greed and Death wrote:I actually agree with this. There really is not a world history pre 1450. History pre 1450 is Regional in scope with a handful of limited exceptions and even then those events only effect two or three regions at a time. Teaching a course full of unrelated geographically isolated areas does no favor for the student, memory retention, nor learning about the tools of history. What begins in 1450 (and really 1492) is the beginning of truly global history. African crops go to the new world, New world groups to Europe, causing global populations to surge.

Before that time events have neither the scope nor reach to be world history and events effecting multiple geographic areas (and still not global) are the exception not the rule. Whereas events starting after 1492 beginning to comely affects all people on the globe.


Actually, that's called global history. It's not the same thing.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:24 am

Forsher wrote:
Actually, that's called global history. It's not the same thing.


Do you have a source for that assertion ?

Because my source says:
World history or global history (not to be confused with diplomatic, transnational or international history) is a field of historical study that emerged as a distinct academic field in the 1980s. It examines history from a global perspective.

Source:
J. Laurence Hare, and Jack Wells, "Promising the World: Surveys, Curricula, and the Challenge of Global History," History Teacher, 48 (Feb. 2015) pp: 371-88.

My apologies on not having a linkable sources the only good sources I have are behind a pay wall.
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