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So, probably your Muslim relatives are back from their Ramadan praying and fasting huh. Well are you talking about Ramadan but want to discuss with an even larger group? Your dreams of discussing with a big group comes true here.

Here we talk about the cons and pros of Ramadan. It has just recently finished, and the economic benefits are also a thing after Ramadan. The economic benefit that all companies all food companies all food companies selling Halal food will get a burst of good’ol profit.

The Cons!

Con 1. Nutrition
So, Ramadan is a one-month period. Although during the holy month, people do not get to eat for a whole month, which is potentially damaging to health. They are not able to eat
for the whole month.. Note: I am not criticising Ramadan.

Discuss your opinions on Ramadan

Pro: Iftars are probably delicious. Hunger is the best sauce.
Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

Con: it is tradition for muslims to trash cinemas when Ramadan is over.

Sorry, I wanted to watch 4D Jurassic Park today so a bit annoyed. No doubt I will think of benefits tomorrow.

Crazybloxian Empire wrote:

Con 1. Nutrition
So, Ramadan is a one-month period. Although during the holy month, people do not get to eat for a whole month, which is potentially damaging to health. They are not able to eat for the whole month.. Note: I am not criticising Ramadan.

The underlined rather suggests that you don't know much about Ramadan,

Muslims aren't allowed to eat and drink during daylight hours for a lunar month.

They can eat and drink as much as they want to between sunset and sunrise.

Indeed, Ramadan iftars - the post-sunset nightly meals - can be so lavish that many Muslims gain weight during Ramadan.

Crazybloxian Empire wrote:So, probably your Muslim relatives are back from their Ramadan praying and fasting huh. Well are you talking about Ramadan but want to discuss with an even larger group? Your dreams of discussing with a big group comes true here.

Here we talk about the cons and pros of Ramadan. It has just recently finished, and the economic benefits are also a thing after Ramadan. The economic benefit that all companies all food companies all food companies selling Halal food will get a burst of good’ol profit.

The Cons!

Con 1. Nutrition
So, Ramadan is a one-month period. Although during the holy month, people do not get to eat for a whole month, which is potentially damaging to health. They are not able to eat
for the whole month.. Note: I am not criticising Ramadan.

Discuss your opinions on Ramadan

But that's wrong.

Isn't this subject covered by the IDT?

Y'know, pros and cons are rather irrelevant to a religious requirement.

If you are not Muslim, you aren't gonna be doing it anyway, if you are, you're compelled to.

If they didnt eat for the whole month they would all starve to death. Its only during daylight hours, before and after that they go fucking ham on the food.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:If they didnt eat for the whole month they would all starve to death. Its only during daylight hours, before and after that they go fucking ham on the food.

Pretty sure there's no ham involved.

Ifreann wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:If they didnt eat for the whole month they would all starve to death. Its only during daylight hours, before and after that they go fucking ham on the food.

Pretty sure there's no ham involved.

Hmmm, thats true

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Pretty sure there's no ham involved.

Hmmm, thats true

Corbs goes to the iftar at his local mosque, so there was definitely some jam at that one.

A con for Muslims in the west is, with most people not observing Ramadan around you it becomes difficult to fast when everyone is eating and drinking whenever they want.

Also fasting breath is a real thing and when you're the only one with fasting breath because you're the only one fasting you feel pretty gross...

But neither of these outweigh the pro's of Ramadan: the blessings of Allah SWT. It was narrated from Abu Salamah that Abu Hurayrah said: "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'Whoever fasts Ramadan out of faith and seeking reward, his previous sins will be forgiven.'" (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Eemaan, 37). And also, Sahl (may Allah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "In Paradise there is a gate called al-Rayyan, through which those who used to fast will enter on the Day of Resurrection, and no one but they will enter it. It will be said, ‘Where are those who fasted?’ They will get up, and none will enter it but them. When they have entered, it will be locked, and no one else will enter." (al-Bukhaari, 1763; Muslim, 1947).

It's a holiday. You don't really discuss pros and cons of holidays. You generally just observe them or don't.

Threlizdun wrote:It's a holiday. You don't really discuss pros and cons of holidays. You generally just observe them or don't.

Not eating for half the day doesn't sound like much of a holiday to me.

Pro: If you truely believe in Islam, you will get into Heaven, I guess...
You get to understand how the poor and homeless feel, which is the purpose of Ramadan

Con: Refusing to drink water in the extreme dry heat of a Middle Eastern summer during the extended sunlight hours really speaks for itself. Outside the ME, watching your colleagues drinking, the midnight sun, etc. Makes the problem just as bad, if not significantly worse. The no food is tollerable, if you feast at night, unpleasent, but tollerable (unless you include the Midnight Sun). The no water part, on the other hand...

Threlizdun wrote:It's a holiday. You don't really discuss pros and cons of holidays. You generally just observe them or don't.

Hey kids, let's all dehydrate. What a fun holiday!

The Grims wrote:Con: it is tradition for muslims to trash cinemas when Ramadan is over.

Sorry, I wanted to watch 4D Jurassic Park today so a bit annoyed. No doubt I will think of benefits tomorrow.

If by "trash" you mean deatroy, then your annoyance would pale in comparison to that of the owner. Or the insurance company, for that matter. Also, I live in an area with many Muslims, and never heard of that

The Archregimancy wrote:

Crazybloxian Empire wrote:

Con 1. Nutrition
So, Ramadan is a one-month period. Although during the holy month, people do not get to eat for a whole month, which is potentially damaging to health. They are not able to eat for the whole month.. Note: I am not criticising Ramadan.

The underlined rather suggests that you don't know much about Ramadan,

Muslims aren't allowed to eat and drink during daylight hours for a lunar month.

They can eat and drink as much as they want to between sunset and sunrise.

Indeed, Ramadan iftars - the post-sunset nightly meals - can be so lavish that many Muslims gain weight during Ramadan.

Yeah, I was going to point that out. The food prohibition is only during daylight, not a whole month of fasting.

Car crashes spike during Ramadan in Muslim communities.
Fasting effects cognition and reaction time. Muslims who work in industries with heavy machinery or vehicles that can cause accidents, or who drive in their private lives and so on, should be aware they are placing other people at risk by engaging in this practice, and either refrain from driving, get another job, or give up the practice.

We should not allow their religion to endanger others. Turning up to work while fasting is equivalent to turning up tipsy.

Though they are exempt, if Pregnant women do it anyway because of traditional, social pressure to fit in, or because they want to be holy, their children come out with problems.

Salus Maior wrote:Isn't this subject covered by the IDT?

I'm not inclined to merge them because it gets tiresome to see NSG taken over by megathreads, and they tend to have their own little communities that make them less accessible for people outside the clique.

People that are not Muslim and do not have a deep interest in Islamic theology might still want to discuss Ramadan, since there are other angles such as talking about the health effects that can be discussed. This could tie into a discussion of ritual fasting in general.

The OP does seem to misunderstand how Ramadan works, since the fasting is only during the day.

Ifreann wrote:
Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

It's common across many cultures and religions, and when something is that common, there is usually a reason. I wouldn't be surprised if it has some kind of mental health benefit.

People should apply some common sense, though, and not do it if they have health conditions that make it dangerous, or if they live at latitudes where the daylight hours are way longer than what was originally intended.

A Pro Is That There Weaker During The Day And Thus Easier To Beat At Football. Egypt Losing There World Cup Game Is Proof.

KingFerdinand1 wrote:A Pro Is That There Weaker During The Day And Thus Easier To Beat At Football. Egypt Losing There World Cup Game Is Proof.

Now we know why vampires never win the World Cup.

USS Monitor wrote:

KingFerdinand1 wrote:A Pro Is That There Weaker During The Day And Thus Easier To Beat At Football. Egypt Losing There World Cup Game Is Proof.

Now we know why vampires never win the World Cup.

But not why Ferdinand posted that in title case.

Crazybloxian Empire wrote:So, probably your Muslim relatives are back from their Ramadan praying and fasting huh.

They wouldn't be my relatives then.

Discuss your opinions on Ramadan

It should be subject to proscription and practitioners subject to prosecution within the United States. In so far as a general concept, however, I applaud those able to maintain to it within the Middle East, given the pious nature such entails.

Farnhamia wrote:

USS Monitor wrote:
Now we know why vampires never win the World Cup.

But not why Ferdinand posted that in title case.

I Want To.

Ifreann wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:If they didnt eat for the whole month they would all starve to death. Its only during daylight hours, before and after that they go fucking ham on the food.

Pretty sure there's no ham involved.

Of course there’s no ham because it isn’t Halal.