The Ramadan Discussion | Pros n’ Cons

[Bombadil]

A Pro Is That There Weaker During The Day And Thus Easier To Beat At Football. Egypt Losing There World Cup Game Is Proof.

Now we know why vampires never win the World Cup.

Russia is proving a particular problem given the days last some 18 hours up there in Summer.

[Uxupox]

Pro: Iftars are probably delicious. Hunger is the best sauce.
Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

Nutritional sciences disagrees that fasting is bad.

[Hatterleigh]

Pro: Iftars are probably delicious. Hunger is the best sauce.
Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

Fasting isn't stupid. And it definitely isn't dangerous. A few days of hunger isn't gonna kill you or anything. I've seen some people who should really consider some fasting, if you catch my drift.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Pro: Iftars are probably delicious. Hunger is the best sauce.
Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

Fasting isn't stupid. And it definitely isn't dangerous.

Intermittent fasting can have health benefits. There are improvements to cholesterol levels and insulin sensitivity.

[Uxupox]

Fasting isn't stupid. And it definitely isn't dangerous.

Intermittent fasting can have health benefits. There are improvements to cholesterol levels and insulin sensitivity.

I use IF all the time to get 12 % bf.

[Hatterleigh]

Ramadan seems pretty lit. I'm not muslim or anything, but I think that it's incredibly respectable to go for weeks without eating during the day just to show your faith in God.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Intermittent fasting can have health benefits. There are improvements to cholesterol levels and insulin sensitivity.

I use IF all the time to get 12 % bf.

I've never done it but I have spoken to people that have and, when done right, it can indeed have some health benefits.

[Salus Maior]

A Pro Is That There Weaker During The Day And Thus Easier To Beat At Football. Egypt Losing There World Cup Game Is Proof.

Why are you capitalizing all your words.

[Dogmeat]

For 2018

Pro: not too bad if you're a researcher in Antarctica.

Con: Svalbard can be a little tricky.

[Ifreann]

Isn't this subject covered by the IDT?

I'm not inclined to merge them because it gets tiresome to see NSG taken over by megathreads, and they tend to have their own little communities that make them less accessible for people outside the clique.

People that are not Muslim and do not have a deep interest in Islamic theology might still want to discuss Ramadan, since there are other angles such as talking about the health effects that can be discussed. This could tie into a discussion of ritual fasting in general.

The OP does seem to misunderstand how Ramadan works, since the fasting is only during the day.

Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

It's common across many cultures and religions, and when something is that common, there is usually a reason. I wouldn't be surprised if it has some kind of mental health benefit.

I imagine the delayed gratification and general religious fervour accounts for that.

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A Pro Is That There Weaker During The Day And Thus Easier To Beat At Football. Egypt Losing There World Cup Game Is Proof.

Ramadan ended on the 14th. That match was the 15th.

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Pro: Iftars are probably delicious. Hunger is the best sauce.
Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

Nutritional sciences disagrees that fasting is bad.

Nutritional sciences can come fight me.

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Pro: Iftars are probably delicious. Hunger is the best sauce.
Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

Fasting isn't stupid. And it definitely isn't dangerous. A few days of hunger isn't gonna kill you or anything. I've seen some people who should really consider some fasting, if you catch my drift.

You need food to live.

Not having food can, therefore, be dangerous.

[Flawless Walruses]

Intermittent fasting can have health benefits. There are improvements to cholesterol levels and insulin sensitivity.

Reading link now, interesting.

I'm agnostic, but I have Muslim friends
Lunch AND Iftar = WIN

[Frievolk]

Con: Fasting is actually dangerous for a person's health (especially how the Muslims fast, with excessive eating in Iftar and (if they take it) Sahar.
Fasting is a pretty stupid thing to do.
Apart from the no eating, everything else in the traditional Ramadan can (and should) be done outside of that month too (apart from the no sex part. That, too, is stupid)

Pro: I can't think of any universe in which there would be a pro to Fasting. In Islamic Countries you can't execute people in Ramadan so I guess the only pro is that some people get to live longer? I guess?

[Geneviev]

It's a holiday. You don't really discuss pros and cons of holidays. You generally just observe them or don't.

Not eating for half the day doesn't sound like much of a holiday to me.

It's not that bad. I can't fast because of medical reasons, but sometimes I can't eat or drink for 12 hours and it isn't too hard. Also, Iftar.

[USS Monitor]

Fasting isn't stupid. And it definitely isn't dangerous. A few days of hunger isn't gonna kill you or anything. I've seen some people who should really consider some fasting, if you catch my drift.

You need food to live.

Not having food can, therefore, be dangerous.

Yeah, but only if you overdo it. Eating too much can be dangerous too.

[Frievolk]

You need food to live.

Not having food can, therefore, be dangerous.

Yeah, but only if you overdo it. Eating too much can be dangerous too.

Medically speaking, the solution to "you eat a lot" isn't "don't eat anything for the majority of your biological clock's awakening time and then leave everything to be digested as you sleep" (As you know, that is in fact, bad for your health). It's generally accepted to be "eat but eat the stuff that your doctor tells you, in the intervals your doctor tells you". And no doctor worth his doctorate will unironically tell you "don't eat anything or drink anything from dawn till dusk then gorge yourself on food at dusk after saying your prayers"

[USS Monitor]

Pro: I can't think of any universe in which there would be a pro to Fasting. In Islamic Countries you can't execute people in Ramadan so I guess the only pro is that some people get to live longer? I guess?

Intermittent fasting can have health benefits. There are improvements to cholesterol levels and insulin sensitivity.

It's not something that I would do because my job is physically demanding, and doing it when I am hungry is just not going to work for me, but apparently some people get good results.

[Geneviev]

Con: Fasting is actually dangerous for a person's health (especially how the Muslims fast, with excessive eating in Iftar and (if they take it) Sahar.
Fasting is a pretty stupid thing to do.
Apart from the no eating, everything else in the traditional Ramadan can (and should) be done outside of that month too (apart from the no sex part. That, too, is stupid)

Pro: I can't think of any universe in which there would be a pro to Fasting. In Islamic Countries you can't execute people in Ramadan so I guess the only pro is that some people get to live longer? I guess?

Fasting isn't that bad. Some people do it for medical reasons instead of for Ramadan or Lent as well. It is supposed to be healthier.

[Frievolk]

Con: Fasting is actually dangerous for a person's health (especially how the Muslims fast, with excessive eating in Iftar and (if they take it) Sahar.
Fasting is a pretty stupid thing to do.
Apart from the no eating, everything else in the traditional Ramadan can (and should) be done outside of that month too (apart from the no sex part. That, too, is stupid)

Pro: I can't think of any universe in which there would be a pro to Fasting. In Islamic Countries you can't execute people in Ramadan so I guess the only pro is that some people get to live longer? I guess?

Fasting isn't that bad. Some people do it for medical reasons instead of for Ramadan or Lent as well. It is supposed to be healthier.

Fasting for medical reasons is assisted suicide tho. No doctor worth his salt will ever tell you "don't eat anything from dawn till dusk, then gorge yourself on food after that, before you go to sleep"
That can, and does, have devastating effects on your body. And you're missing the entire point of fasting. You don't fast because "it's good for your health" (if a doctor says that, they're 100% lying. there's no debate on that), you fast because god told you you should fast. That's all there is to it. Spiritual issues, not medical.

[Geneviev]

Fasting isn't that bad. Some people do it for medical reasons instead of for Ramadan or Lent as well. It is supposed to be healthier.

Fasting for medical reasons is assisted suicide tho. No doctor worth his salt will ever tell you "don't eat anything from dawn till dusk, then gorge yourself on food after that, before you go to sleep"
That can, and does, have devastating effects on your body. And you're missing the entire point of fasting. You don't fast because "it's good for your health" (if a doctor says that, they're 100% lying. there's no debate on that), you fast because god told you you should fast. That's all there is to it. Spiritual issues, not medical.

Some do, actually. And fasting is healthy, so Ramadan isn't really bad for your health. Unless you're diabetic, but then you just don't fast.

[USS Monitor]

Yeah, but only if you overdo it. Eating too much can be dangerous too.

Medically speaking, the solution to "you eat a lot" isn't "don't eat anything for the majority of your biological clock's awakening time and then leave everything to be digested as you sleep" (As you know, that is in fact, bad for your health). It's generally accepted to be "eat but eat the stuff that your doctor tells you, in the intervals your doctor tells you". And no doctor worth his doctorate will unironically tell you "don't eat anything or drink anything from dawn till dusk then gorge yourself on food at dusk after saying your prayers"

I've seen limiting food intake to certain times of day suggested by health professionals. "Gorge yourself after you say your prayers" was not part of the medical advice, but I have seen it suggested that one reason why people are having such trouble with obesity is because they snack all day so they're basically constantly eating.

Nutritional science is an area where we still have a lot to learn, and there are plenty of competing schools of thought even among professionals. It's difficult to study because it's difficult to keep track of what people are actually eating. Many studies rely on self-reporting, but this isn't reliable because people may forget some of the things they ate or purposely omit stuff they feel guilty about eating.

[Bolivar Union]

Ramadan also ordered us to restrain anger, lust and also increase the reward as much as much especially when the last night of ramadhan (lailatul qadar)

[Bolivar Union]

Pro: Iftars are probably delicious. Hunger is the best sauce.
Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

Im muslim and im always fasting in every ramadhan.

fasting is not a fool. fasting like resting the digestion of the human body. like a machine that needs to be cooled. intestines, stomach and other body digestion also need rest and fasting is healthy
as from the hadith of the Messenger of Allah:
Rasulullah s.a.w said: Surely in the Heaven there is a door called Ar-Rayyan. The one who fasts will enter through the door on the Last Day. Can not enter anyone except them. Later there will be an announcement: Where is the fasting person? They then flocked through the door. After the last of them had entered, the door was closed again. No one else will enter it "[Bukhari-Muslim]

*sorry my english bad before

[USS Monitor]

Pro: Iftars are probably delicious. Hunger is the best sauce.
Con: Fasting is generally stupid at best and potentially dangerous.

Im muslim and im always fasting in every ramadhan.

fasting is not a fool. fasting like resting the digestion of the human body. like a machine that needs to be cooled. intestines, stomach and other body digestion also need rest and fasting is healthy
as from the hadith of the Messenger of Allah:
Rasulullah s.a.w said: Surely in the Heaven there is a door called Ar-Rayyan. The one who fasts will enter through the door on the Last Day. Can not enter anyone except them. Later there will be an announcement: Where is the fasting person? They then flocked through the door. After the last of them had entered, the door was closed again. No one else will enter it "[Bukhari-Muslim]

*sorry my english bad before

Your English is bad, but I can still understand what you meant.

It should be "fasting is not stupid" instead of "fasting is not a fool." "A fool" means a person, not a thing. "Stupid" can mean a person or a thing.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Alright, if I may ask, If one is not a Muslim and/or does not fast during the month of Ramadan, why should it be of any concern?

Cons? For me, since I’m not a Muslim nor do I fast, that’s going to be a zero

Pros, Again, I personally don’t see any benefits for me, but if one wants to practice their faith, and they don’t want force practice of their religion on anyone, then I personally don’t care.

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

Ramadan seems pretty lit. I'm not muslim or anything, but I think that it's incredibly respectable to go for weeks without eating during the day just to show your faith in God.

During my days in Pentecostalism, my longest fast was fourteen days. I don’t think I could last a month, then and I sure as hell would not be able to last a month today.